Who saw the Canadian Gp? *Spoiler*
That was madness.
Awesome to see Kubica win his first and BMW dominate.
But it all came down to Lewis pulling a rookie mistake that rivals his off at china last year.
Kimi was great post incident, he walked by Hamilton and pointed at the light...........
it was like *Look A Red Light, I wonder what that means*
HAMILTON FTMFL What a STUPID mistake.
Def. GREAT job to Kubica. A lot better for him then last year!
he definitely wasn't happy with the camera in his face. Crazy to go from a win at Monaco to a DNF from a pit lane incident
Oh yeah. Its funny how on this forum i got two reactions and on the others im on, were are at page 11 and 4Originally Posted by simontibbett
LOL I know right
I don't think that it takes a billionaire F1 driver to know that red means stop.
It was great seeing BMW finish though, it was also good to see Red Bull pull such a high position. Maybe one day Force India (Formerly Spyker) will get on the ball and finish at least higher than 10th.
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Yeah it was cool to see David on the podium
The Hamilton/Raikonnen incident was great lol, puts massa in second in the championship. Did you guys see when he passed two cars at once?
Also it always puts a smile on my face when ******* alonso gets a DNF haha.
Good race.
Yeah Massa's pass was awesome.
...but go Raikonnen
I was glad that Lewis ran into Kimi instead of Kubica. Lewis made a true rookie mistake but it serves Kimi right since he crashed into the back of Sutil in Monaco ending the race for him. Congrats though to Masa who still held his own. I think this will be his year to shine and he isnt making the same mistakes he made last year. And **** Alonso. That arrogant ****. I was glad to see him spin out. He is too aggressive of a driver and this lack of traction control is exposing that.
This is not driving in the street where it is a speed limit. Kimi made a mistake on braking point, therefore lose control of the car. Lewis did not pay attention to the light signal and rear ended Kimi. They both made a mistake, but remember there is a brake light on F1 cars. If you see people brake their cars in front of you, you do not keep running straight. Also, the pit crew or whoever communicate with the driver should have told the driver about the red light as you cannot get out of the pit yet. I believe if you asked me who was wrong, I would tell you they were both wrong. But I think Lewis should not make any mistakes like that.
Remember the last two race that lose him the driver championship? I do not see those as rookie mistake. All he needed was like two points to win the champship and he did not get any in the last two races as they were easy points. He has great talant in racing, maybe the best in the field right now, but the decisions he made was so bad.
After all, guess what? Even with all these **** you are talking right now, they make money on something you spend money on everyday- driving. And I am pretty sure they are doing a better job than you in terms of driving. Try to drive a F1 car on the track for 3 laps. Let's see if you can even do that first.
^Damn....lol
He is not saying he could do better, he is saying that as F1 drivers they should be able to do better and not be f-ing up as much, which I completely agree.
Umm no theres no brake light. The only time the tail lights are on is when its raining, and then they are constantly on, not just when braking.
And it's not really constantly on, but it blinks while the car is running.
So just qualify and stay at the spot until you are finish? Wait for the other guys' mistakes? You guys may have to watch more motorsports, where accidents happens all the time, like NASCAR, when you are legal to bump people so the other guy lose control of the car.
My point is every F1 drivers can drive around the track. This is what they are trained for. But if they do not overtake each others, what kind of race are we watching? Being able to set fastest time and being able to overtake other drivers in racing are both needed.
And final point, read what he said. It is totally immature. Oh Kimi ran into another driver in the last race, so it is ok for Lewis to do the same this race. WTF kind of comment is that?
You obviously have a very little understanding of road racing. They are overtaking each other, you didn't see Kubica pass Heidfeld or Massa passing 2 CARS IN ONE CORNER?
Dude, seriously, go watch more nascar and stay away from real racing.
Kimi ran into another car because he was trying to keep from hitting the wall and i give him full credit for a great save, it is unfortunate he hit Sutil but it was a racing incident and it happens.
Hamilton, should be more aware of his surroundings. Both Raikkonen and Kubica were drag racing to the pit out but both saw the red light. Hamilton was too concerned with losing track position and made the error of not concidering anything else going on around him. We dont know if the team told him about the red but it is his responsibility. The Fia doesn't see an incidents in the pit lane as a race incident. That is why both Hamilton and Rosberg will get a 10 place grid penalty in Magny Cours.
Please learn something about real racing and not some redneck motorsport that is more concerened with which drivers wanna fight each other vs having real driving talent.
Speedtv is showing the race again. Right Now.
^Well said
I am not saying that they did not made the mistake. My point was I was pissed form immature comments. If you cannot accept that, then I have nothing more to comment.
Humm, let's see. You are looking at one spot of the picture and telling me I am stupid. Let's remember what happened last year at this race. Robert airborne his car and thie ended with mutli car accident during the race. So from whoever I quote, Robert should put out of the race? Also, Felipe had his share of stupid mistakes too.
I used to hate NASCAR as it is a race that mostly run around circle, and you can bump other cars. I used to hate drag race as all you do is to wait for the light to turn green and gas your car and shift as fast as possible. However, in reality, it is not.
That thing you wrote there is incomprehensible, are you saying Robert should have been thrown out for his wreck last year? And Massa for his mistakes?
Did you even read this guy's post? My post was based on this guy's comment.
When Robert pass Nick, it was the team's decision as Nick would hold Robert up and they may not get full 18 points out of this race. Massa passed two cars at one corner because the car in front of Massa bump the other car in front. This is the guy's "mistake" (sorry for not memorize all drivers and teams in the field). I am not going to make comments of any drivers from 1 or 2 races out of their career.
I am a Ferrari fan, and I am happy as Massa passed 2 cars at a time. But in this incident, I believe it is more of the driver's mistake than Massa's talent.
Didn't see Lucient's comment, but it is ridiculous.
Ok, again hard time reading your latest post, im assuming you put that BMW wanted Heidfeld to move over and allow Kubica to pass him? Yes/No
I say that with all things considered, Massa's move was still amazing relative to where he was on the track. You gotta consider that at that point in the turn, he saw that he had a chance and went for it while knowing that Barrichello is not looking in his mirrors on the exit to that turn.
Now that I've watched the race in its entirety, I have a few thoughts.
I think Hamilton's collision with Kimi at the end of the pit lane shows that Hammy needs to improve his situational awareness if he's going to be successful in F1. Watching Hamilton drive, I think he's the most talented driver in F1 at the moment. I think how Hamilton handles this and other set backs will be very telling as to his worthiness as a potential contender for the WDC.
Thus far, Alonso's performance with Renault bolsters my thoughts that he's not the superstar a lot of fans thought him to be. IMO, a two time world champ should know very well not to try and overtake in the hairpin at Monaco. In Canada, he clearly overdrove into the corner that led to the spin and retired him. There is at least one more incident that led to Alonso's retirement due to overdriving but I can't recall the specifics right now. I have to wonder how Renault is feeling about that 2.6mil/race that they're paying Alonso.
Massa's drive in Canada was excellent. His pass in turn 10 was an example of great situational awareness and opportunism. Ferrari should not make any changes to their line up for next season.
BMW's win was brilliant. BMW-Sauber with this one/two finish has shown the F1 world that they are a serious contender. I'm really excited to see what the rest of the season hold in store. The WDC could become a 4 way scrap, and the constructor's championship could become a three way battle.
Lewis Hamilton is a talented driver but guys we have to still remember that this is only his second year so he is still going to make mistakes and at this stage in his career he WILL NOT have the poise and focus of a seasoned vet like Kimi or Schumi. And as far as someone saying my comments are stupid I dont address that type of internet gangster stuff.
I think that if Alonso stays with REnault for at least one more season he will be competitive. I am not an Alonso fan by a long shot but he is excellent with car development. He (Not his former team mate Jarno Trulli) put Renault on the forefront and won 2 consecutive championships. They just more car development.
Robert Kubica can drive. Nuff said. He deserved that win and I think he will get another before the year is out. I think the championship this year will be closer than ever with Hamilton, Kimi, Massa, and Kubica going neck to neck every race. Ferrari will definitely win the constructors championship because they have 2 top notch drivers. Massa is hungry to prove he is not the number 2 guy
BMW wanted Heidfeld to move over for Kubica is a fact. Watch the pass again. I know for a fact that Nick moved over so Robert can pass him, then when Fernando closed up, Nick was back into the race line again. Robert and Fernando had to go to the pit again for fuel, and Nick was set for the race. So you want Robert to get away as far as possible to Fernando, as it would be an advantage to BMW. Since Nick is using a one stopper, it would be wise to use him as a block, as Nick would have a 20ish sec advantage to Fernando even though they stayed together.
Unless the driver in front of you was crashed, you would have to put a move in order to overtake. Massa made the right decision to pass 2 cars in that turn, which was a good move. But can this happen without the incident of Kazuki Nakajima (or somebody else? I am not sure) bumped the car in front of him? Probably not. I did not question Massa's driving ability as I know for a fact that he can drive pretty damn fast, and he is coaching by one of the best in the world -- Michael Schumacher.
Last edited by chituntang; 06-11-2008 at 04:46 PM.
I completely disagree that Heidfeld was ordered by BMW-Suaber to move over and let Kubica pass. Kubica was clearly faster than Heidfeld and it would have been disadvantageous for Kubica and Heidfeld to really dice hard for the pass. Kubica made a clean, legitamate pass. Kubica could just as easily have held off Alonso for Heidfeld.
IMO, teammates shouldn't race each other very hard. It doesn't make sense to risk the possibility of both cars coming together and DNFing.
Stopped watching F1 a couple years back. Don't miss it at all.
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Think about this:
Heidfeld holds off Alonso. Kubica makes up the time needed for the extra pit stop he needs. Who win the race would depends on where Kubica's position once he gets out of the pit stop. BMW does not really care who is going to win this race as long as it is a BMW driver, but they also want as many points as possible. No risk taking here. Simple math.
OR
Kubica holds off Alonso. They are going to the pit again. Now it comes down to
A: If they get in the pit the same lap, then let's see who's pit crews are faster
B: If either one get in the pit first, then it comes down to how fast the guy stays out goes (Kimi and Michael pull this off all the time). If he goes fast enough, then he is staying in front. If he does not, then he is going to stay behind.
You really think Nick cannot hold off Robert? It is nothing bad for Nick to hold off anybody. He was P.1. He was not going to the pit again. The P.2 and P.3 drivers have to fuel again. So he would have a 20ish sec lead if he held both of them up and he would have won the race this way.
If you have a chance, watch the pass again. Nick moved out of the race line and Robert passed him. Then Nick moved back to the race line when Fernando caught up. Nick did not make a mistake here. He meant to do it.
saw a bit of this and really enjoyed it
Ok again your way off on this. Kubica was light on fuel when he had Heidfeld in front of him. On top of that, Kubica made a clean pass on Heidfeld when he went by. Alonzo was just the next car in the train. The team even told Heidfeld to let Alonzo by if he was slowing down Heidfelds pace because Alonzo would need another pit stop.
You need to watch the race again and stop with these untrue allegations.
+ One last thing for you to consider.
Your are the only person on the entire internet saying these things. Dont you think that if there was any truth to it......Some of the other respected journalist would say something even remotely similar? Cause they haven't.
I know your probable reasoning but, i must say the post Schumacher era is exciting.
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Fixed that for ya!
As to the Kubica/Heidfled pass: Kubica's pass on Heidfeld was very clearly a legitamate clean pass. I think it's you, chituntang, who needs to go back and review the video of the pass. I'm pretty sure that David Hobbes, Bob Varsha and Peter Machette could have made some comment about Heidfeld obviously giving up a position to a teammate.
OK, maybe BMW did not ask Nick to let Robert to pass, since there is not anybody to prove so. But answer my question:
Do you think Nick is in a position where there is no way he can hold off Robert during the race? Yes or no?
I am not in a position that saying Robert can/cannot do it. I am just pointing out something I believed in. And I did not say the pass is clean/dirty/whatever. Same goes for Massa passing two car in the corner. I did not say it is a bad pass.
Another question for you:
If the two cars in front of Massa did not bump, can Massa pull off the two car passing corner? Yes or no?
They told Nick to let Fernando pass by so he can focus on driving and not make any mistakes that would cause BMW the lead in points and points for Nick himself.
It is not a big deal to let your own teammate pass by to gain advantages for your team. That's why there are two drivers in each team. Felipe, Nick, and Robert are all great drivers, and I believe that they are going to keep winning races. I am in no position saying they suck at driving.
No, Kubica is much faster and the only BMW driver capable of competing with Ferrari's drivers and McLaren's Hamilton. Just look at qualifing. Heidfeld has admitted already he is far of the pace set by his team mate.
The only reason Heidfeld was where he was in the race is cause he was not pitting when Hamilton ruined allot of people's race.
Sure, That's up to Massa, as far as he's concerned, he can just ram them out the way. Granted he will take himself out but he's the one driving the car.
What are you asking? If the opportunity wasn't there to take, he wouldn't have took it?
Of coarse not. But it was so he went for it.
They didn't really tell Heidfeld, they gave him the option too if he is losing time.
Nick's job is to help the team. That's what they are and there are no team orders i have seen from the BMW camp. Robert is a better driver and can get much better results with the equipment given.
Kubica fully deserved the win while Heidfeld was lucky to get second. He is a second rate driver in F1 nowadays.
Please, i respectfully ask you proofread yourself from now on.
For your first answer: You can hold people up with a slower car. A lot of people have done that time over time, so your point does not make sense. You lose massive downforce when you approach to another car. So it is really hard to overtake another car. This has been said over and over again. Hell, Mark Webber was driving a Jaguar years ago and he held up the whole field for a while years back. He is not the best driver out on the field and he was driving one of the slowest car on the field. How many times Ferrari and Mclaren had the fastest time but did not win the race?
For your second answer and then question: What cause the "great" pass? Two car almost stopped in the middle of the field. Massa passed them. Then end. If he did not do so, I do not see he would stay in F1 any longer.
In theory, if you are the fastest driver and you are driving the fastest car, you win the race. But in real world, it is different. It takes more than a fast car and a fast driver.
What are you talking about?,
You jump from one thing to another and as a matter of fact, every post you have made has not made any sense.
Im tired of this cause its getting no where with you.
A. You haven't a clue about what your talking about.
B. I give you an answer and you bring up stuff that has nothing to do with anything.
Are you like Heidfeld's fanboy or something?
He sucks now and he knows it. What else is there?
Kubica disposed of him on the first chance he got and Alonzo took himself out before he made the pass which he was imminent to make.
Oh, and everyone on this site can vouch that everything i post makes sense.
I am not jumping from one thing to another. You said that Nick cannot hold up because Robert was faster. That is totally untruth. And I back my point by giving you example of slower car can hold up faster car.
We are not going anywhere because you do not realize the fact. Not because what you said is right/wrong.
Yes Robert is faster and anyone on this site or a real racing forum will agree,
If anything, Heidfeld was holding up Kubica when he caught him in front of the pits.
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