Ready to have your wages garnished?

[tony]

Vote Billary on tuesday.

WASHINGTON (AP) - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said Sunday she might be willing to have workers' wages garnisheed if they refuse to buy health insurance to achieve coverage for all Americans.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j...BnGqwD8UJ034O1

[Alan®]

what a crazy socialist *****

[Slow Motion]

Vote Billary on tuesday.

WASHINGTON (AP) - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said Sunday she might be willing to have workers' wages garnisheed if they refuse to buy health insurance to achieve coverage for all Americans.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j...BnGqwD8UJ034O1

What the phuck.....phuck hillarious clinton she is a dik sucin muhphuckin cun't .....i wish a bish would.(no not really)

[Schugg]

whats the big fukin deal, get life/health insurance you dead beat phucks!

[Thighs]

you think if healthcare was paid for by taxes it would be any different? dont be fooled by bad wording. income tax = wage garnish.

[Slow Motion]

whats the big fukin deal, get life/health insurance you dead beat phucks!

What if I don't want it...that doesn't make me a dead beat ppl with comment like that are one **** hair away from suckin a dictators ****........Free country= no insurance if i don't want it. Taxes don't pay for health insurance though.

And for those with a what if .......there is no what if in real life.

[Evil Goat]

socialized medicine is ftl

[BuBBa DRiFT]

lol @ democrats

[Thighs]

What if I don't want it...that doesn't make me a dead beat ppl with comment like that are one **** hair away from suckin a dictators ****........Free country= no insurance if i don't want it. Taxes don't pay for health insurance though.

not right now they dont, but i HAVE heard talk about govt healthcare, which is a good idea. it may be "free" for us, but its not ACTUALLY free. taxes will go up to pay for it. may not be a big increase but it will happen. the money has to come from somewhere.

correct me if im wrong though.

[Schugg]

What if I don't want it...that doesn't make me a dead beat ppl with comment like that are one **** hair away from suckin a dictators ****........Free country= no insurance if i don't want it. Taxes don't pay for health insurance though.

And for those with a what if .......there is no what if in real life.

then when you get your arm chopped off and cant fix it, your loss. being i am the person with a comment like that, ill be the first to tell you im not one **** hair away form sucking any dictators ****. i could care less about voting or caring about any political BS. but im also not the one whos going to complain when so and so makes a law i dont like. if i cared i would vote. maybe youll come to realize nothing in life is free, ecspecially in this country. some have it good but no one is near freedom

[Evil Goat]

not right now they dont, but i HAVE heard talk about govt healthcare, which is a good idea. it may be "free" for us, but its not ACTUALLY free. taxes will go up to pay for it. may not be a big increase but it will happen. the money has to come from somewhere.

correct me if im wrong though.

the government, in now way, shape, form, or fashion, should have any say so in whether or not i have healthcare

furthermore, socialized medicine sucks....i cant see why they cant look at the places, such as canada, england, etc who have socialized medicine, see how ****ed up it is, and not say this is some bull****....there are reports of people in london pulling their own ****ing teeth out b/c they cant get an appointment to see a dentist over there, people in canada dying while waiting for a mri that would've saved their lives, and mri that here in the states takes minutes to order, and a few days at the most to get done if its not life threatening....we by far have the best healthcare in the world, and the people who dont have it either choose not to, or are too stupid to realize they could have it with a private company....there are companies out there that insure people with very good rates, people are just too stupid, or too lazy to find them.

[Thighs]

the government, in now way, shape, form, or fashion, should have any say so in whether or not i have healthcare

furthermore, socialized medicine sucks....i cant see why they cant look at the places, such as canada, england, etc who have socialized medicine, see how ****ed up it is, and not say this is some bull****....there are reports of people in london pulling their own ****ing teeth out b/c they cant get an appointment to see a dentist over there, people in canada dying while waiting for a mri that would've saved their lives, and mri that here in the states takes minutes to order, and a few days at the most to get done if its not life threatening....we by far have the best healthcare in the world, and the people who dont have it either choose not to, or are too stupid to realize they could have it with a private company....there are companies out there that insure people with very good rates, people are just too stupid, or too lazy to find them.

thats agood point. both sides are right and worng in certain ways, i guess its all up to your p.o.v. IMO, id rather have my insurance automatically paid for. ****, id rather have all my bills paid automatically.

[tony]

So.. just like Social Security of which we will probably never reap the benefits of, its okay to force wage garnishments on those that work while those who do not get the reward? Interesting..

[Alan®]

i will respond to all this in a bit. football now politics later.

[green91]

she is loco! since its obvious ron paul wont get the nomination i really wish he would switch to independent, then he could get more press time and we would actually have a good option.

[Evil Goat]

thats agood point. both sides are right and worng in certain ways, i guess its all up to your p.o.v. IMO, id rather have my insurance automatically paid for. ****, id rather have all my bills paid automatically.

but would you sacrifice or chance your wellbeing on the fact that its "paid for" (if you really want to call it that, we all know nothings free....taxes would rise to offset the cost)

So.. just like Social Security of which we will probably never reap the benefits of, its okay to force wage garnishments on those that work while those who do not get the reward? Interesting..

exactly....401k/stocks are where it's at

[Slow Motion]

then when you get your arm chopped off and cant fix it, your loss. being i am the person with a comment like that, ill be the first to tell you im not one **** hair away form sucking any dictators ****. i could care less about voting or caring about any political BS. but im also not the one whos going to complain when so and so makes a law i dont like. if i cared i would vote. maybe youll come to realize nothing in life is free, ecspecially in this country. some have it good but no one is near freedom

HYPOTHETICAL BS.....WHEN I GET MY ARM CHOPPED OFF I CAN'T FIX IT. FIRST OF ALL IF YOU EVER HAVE SOMETHING CHOPPED OFF AND IT WAS AN ACCIDENT MORE THAN LIKELY YOU HAVE ALREADY LOST THAT LIMB. EITHER IT WILL BE REJECTED BY YOUR BODY AND WILL NOT HEAL OR IT CAN'T BE FIXED. SO EITHER WAY YOUR PHUCKED. AND I VOTE SO I CARE WHAT SOME BISH WANTS TO DO WITH MY TAXES. HEALTHCARE SHOULD BE AFFORDABLE NOT MANDATORY.

[Elbow]

I'm REALLLLYYYY hoping Bush is re-elected

[Alan®]

Ok here's what I think. I highly doubt that congress or the supreme court would really let this happen as I see it, it amounts the heavy tax burden's put on the colonies back before the war of independence. A free nation is just that a free nation. Where you are free to do what you want so long as you abide by certian rules which I have never really found to be too extreme basically all comon sense stuff that in general out there to protect people and their property.A free nation is not a place where you are told you can do what ever you want but you HAVE TO buy this or else But what this amounts to is unconstituitional action. What I think is really funny is that this is basically what John McCain has been criticizing Mitt Romney for, for the past few weeks when really that's not what he said. Same with the issue that Mitt Romney proposed that we have timetables for withdrawl when he skewed the quote. I don't believe that Government controlled health care can work. it has been proven in other countire's that it really doesn't work and add in the fact that every health care system that Sen. Clinton has touched usually ends up being worse then when it first started doesn't exactly help her case.

[BiH1320]

What if I don't want it...that doesn't make me a dead beat ppl with comment like that are one **** hair away from suckin a dictators ****........Free country= no insurance if i don't want it. Taxes don't pay for health insurance though.

And for those with a what if .......there is no what if in real life.

This was ONCE a free country.. But not no more..

[1000cckiller]

whats the big fukin deal, get life/health insurance you dead beat phucks!

x2, I totally agree. How can you get mad at her, she is trying to help some of you dumbasses from people who skip out on medical bills. Think about how many people a year, skip out on medical bill and your tax dollars pay for it.

[RISKYB]

thats why she nor obama ned to be in the whitehouse, i see nothing more that power hungry people ready to drive this country the rest of the way down

[Evil Goat]

x2, I totally agree. How can you get mad at her, she is trying to help some of you dumbasses from people who skip out on medical bills. Think about how many people a year, skip out on medical bill and your tax dollars pay for it.

hospitals and physicians write off a portion of unpaid medical bills as charity/unpaid debt on their taxes each year....the rest is turned over to collections, which in turn makes the prices of medical procedures go up, prices on insurance go up, deductibles, etc.....point im getting at is there may be a minimal amount of your tax dollars that has anything to do with medical bills

so what you're saying is you would rather pay more taxes (b/c youre not going to get some kind of magical credit b/c hospitals dont have to write off losses now) for a medical system that has been proven inferior to ours, a system where your mother could wait 6 months or more for an mri to detect breast cancer while the cancer spreads and kills her, the mri she could get here in minutes.....seems like an obvious choice to me....but its people who dont educate themselves on the up's and down's of things like this that will cause this country to drive itself into the ground

[1000cckiller]

hospitals and physicians write off a portion of unpaid medical bills as charity/unpaid debt on their taxes each year....the rest is turned over to collections, which in turn makes the prices of medical procedures go up, prices on insurance go up, deductibles, etc.....point im getting at is there may be a minimal amount of your tax dollars that has anything to do with medical bills

so what you're saying is you would rather pay more taxes (b/c youre not going to get some kind of magical credit b/c hospitals dont have to write off losses now) for a medical system that has been proven inferior to ours, a system where your mother could wait 6 months or more for an mri to detect breast cancer while the cancer spreads and kills her, the mri she could get here in minutes.....seems like an obvious choice to me....but its people who dont educate themselves on the up's and down's of things like this that will cause this country to drive itself into the ground

One we are going to pay for it one way or another. Things that you think you won't pay for, believe we are paying for it somewhere else. There is a back door to every bill that is passed, it has always been that way and will alway be that way. Also what if my mom can't pay for that treatment, do you want to be the one that pays for it?

[Evil Goat]

i think you're missing the boat man....let me break it down for you....

scenario one....with current healthcare standards...

under EMTALA (look it up) you mother, regardless if she has insurance or the ability to pay a bill can go to an e.r.(or most private physicians that accept medicaid/medicare) for treatment, they find the lump she describes, treats her with a non surgical procedure, or lets say she has a mastectomy done....lets just say to the tune of $100k

the hospital writes off a portion as charity, sends the rest to collections and my insurance premiums go up b/c your mom cant pay for her medical care and the hospitals have to charge more to make up for that loss


scenario 2, and ill use canada as an example since thats what hillary wants to model us after, the average person pays around $1200 in taxes yearly for access to this high and mighty form of nationwide insurance (regardless of age)....so right off the bat with my family alone im spending in the area of $3600 (versus the $18xx or so i pay now) your mom, b/c shes apparently poor or jobless doesnt front anything (which is why they want socialized medicine to be manditory, so that i pay the portion that is unpaid by the jobless and worthless) so now she finds a lump, but the search is on for a speciliast who will see her....it takes 4-5 months to finally get an appointment, then another 4-5 months to have an appointment for an mri done, and by that time the cancer has spread and she dies (go to google and search "why socialized medicine doesnt work" and spend a day or 10 reading cases where people have died b/c hospitals are full and turn away patients and people die waiting on treatment)

so yes, the way the system is now, the minimal amount of my taxes that may or may not go to helping pay unpaid medical bills i would be happy to help front the bill to keep your mother alive (which just isn't true, there is no government bail out for hospitals will owed debts - thats what medicaid/medicare is for, if you cant afford it yourself you already get it free and i pay for that as it is)

[chrisdavis]

I wonder how this would affect families were one spouse pays for family coverage.

[1000cckiller]

i think you're missing the boat man....let me break it down for you....

scenario one....with current healthcare standards...

under EMTALA (look it up) you mother, regardless if she has insurance or the ability to pay a bill can go to an e.r.(or most private physicians that accept medicaid/medicare) for treatment, they find the lump she describes, treats her with a non surgical procedure, or lets say she has a mastectomy done....lets just say to the tune of $100k

the hospital writes off a portion as charity, sends the rest to collections and my insurance premiums go up b/c your mom cant pay for her medical care and the hospitals have to charge more to make up for that loss


scenario 2, and ill use canada as an example since thats what hillary wants to model us after, the average person pays around $1200 in taxes yearly for access to this high and mighty form of nationwide insurance (regardless of age)....so right off the bat with my family alone im spending in the area of $3600 (versus the $18xx or so i pay now) your mom, b/c shes apparently poor or jobless doesnt front anything (which is why they want socialized medicine to be manditory, so that i pay the portion that is unpaid by the jobless and worthless) so now she finds a lump, but the search is on for a speciliast who will see her....it takes 4-5 months to finally get an appointment, then another 4-5 months to have an appointment for an mri done, and by that time the cancer has spread and she dies (go to google and search "why socialized medicine doesnt work" and spend a day or 10 reading cases where people have died b/c hospitals are full and turn away patients and people die waiting on treatment)

so yes, the way the system is now, the minimal amount of my taxes that may or may not go to helping pay unpaid medical bills i would be happy to help front the bill to keep your mother alive (which just isn't true, there is no government bail out for hospitals will owed debts - thats what medicaid/medicare is for, if you cant afford it yourself you already get it free and i pay for that as it is)

Ok, your statement is true to a point. You don't get my point. Yes one we already pay for medicare, with he bill we won't pay for that anymore. Yes will will have to pay more and that is understandable, but you will have insurance. Think about how many people die every year because they don't have health insurance. That why I say there is a back door to everything, because yeah we may help the few we can now right when they come in, but it is at a cost to us. Prime example Grady hospital is in debt, why? Because they have all these people that come in without insurance and they fix them up. So would you rather these people pay where a hospital can stay open, or would you rather them not pay and the hospital has to shut down. That is the problem Grady was faced with and still is. No Bill is bullet proof, and someone will always loose. We don't know how much the bill would us, so until I saw what would be our cost I can't make a desicion. Our heatlh care system isn't great now, maybe somewhere and somehow it will get better soon. I do agree with some of your points though.

Just read this link for me:
http://cthealth.server101.com/the_ca...ted_states.htm

[Tracy]

I agree with socialized medical care

[1000cckiller]

I agree with socialized medical care

x2, have you read the link.

[Tracy]

x2, have you read the link.

Read it before.

[Jimmy B]

Republicans FTW (please dear God have one voted in)

[1000cckiller]

Republicans FTW (please dear God have one voted in)

please read the damn link.

[R3RUN]

Lol, garnishing wages during a recession. Brilliant ****ing idea. I am really starting to believe that Hillary would usher in the apocalypse if she wins.

[tony]

Universal healthcare is not the same as mandated coverage

[Evil Goat]

I agree with socialized medical care

move to canada if it's so great, for every reason you can come up with, which i would guess to be just one (omg so everyone can like have insurance and stuff), i can give you 10 more why it sucks

doesnt matter to me, if we go to a socialized medical coverage i will be purchasing my own private insurance

ive read the link before, tell me who did the study, and where they get their basis from, you don't know, you're just as bad as billy bob listening to cnn or fox and basing their conclusions off of what they see on tv....when you find out who does the study, and how much of a b.s. study that actually was then come back and talk....ill have to look it up now, but ive seen this study, and it was way off in its accuracy

Universal healthcare is not the same as mandated coverage

this is true

[NevrNufTorq]

I agree with socialized medical care

never woulda thought i would hear this from you. you, dan, myself, and every other small bus owner in the usa will be the one's really hurting by this in the end. the government can do nothing well and most importantly nothing cheap!!! you and i both ride the roads. how do you like state highways and the federal interstate system? bumpity, bumpity, bumpity!!! if they cant keep the roadways free from potholes and such, how in the world can they FIX an expensive, and highly technical field like medicine?!?! they cant, prices will go thru the roof, then our taxes will go up to cover it, then the quality of care will go down cause evryone will fuss about their taxes. then doctors and nurses will stop goin to school to be doctors and nurses because they cant make a decent living..........

now, on that note, i'm not saying we have a perfect health system, and that it doesnt need alot of help. but, the government cant do anything w/o costing us, the taxpayer, alot of money!!

[Jimmy B]

never woulda thought i would hear this from you. you, dan, myself, and every other small bus owner in the usa will be the one's really hurting by this in the end.

as a small buis owner myself, i cant agree more.. there are times in the year where i am slow, and taking the little money i bring in away, would hurt me alot during those times

[Jimmy B]

please read the damn link.

i did, your point? i still would rather ANY of the republicians than hillary or obama

[1000cckiller]

i did, your point? i still would rather ANY of the republicians than hillary or obama

[Tracy]

I don't feel like arguing right now, but I'm sure I will soon. I'm not agreeing with the way it is being proposed to be paid for. I think the people who donate the $50 million dollars for the presidency campaigns should get in on paying for it