EMMINODAGREAT= BAD SELLER!

[silversol]

I have waited to make a tread to see if i could try to get some of my money back. i have to admit i hate makeing threads like this but this went to far with me. if i had been driving home and had engine or trans problem that is a risk you take with a used car.

but on 7-16-08 emminodagrate made a thread about a civic he had for sale.
FS: 97 Honda CIvic Gassss Mileagee!!
i pmed him he told me the car was at mainstrem and to just come up there he was working. I show up with my buddy we were going to lunch after that. i see the car it has a few issues that need fixed. we agree on the price of 1650$ i see the title and check the vin on the dash it matches. my buddy drives his car to his house that is mins away. and i leave the car there over night.. i pick the car up the next day and take it strait to the paint shop. and get it painted.

a few days later i pick the car up and i fix the mechanical issues 02 sensor. oil pan gasket detail the car ect. i had some on interested in the car the next day. the next day a guy shows up to buy the car from me. he like the car but the looks and and informs me do you know the vin on the dash does not match the one in the door? need less to say i was very upset!

i could not find mainsteam number so i pmed emminodagreat telling him we need to talk. i find mainstreams number james is busy but calls me back. i look at the title he gave me it was to a white 1997 civic Ex but the car i had was a green 1996 ex. when he calls me i inform him of the big problem i have. and i then asked him if he had the right dash and title for my car. he tells me he was selling this car for a "friend". and that he mush have swaped the vin!
i also ask what was the vin to the white civic he was parting out and it matches the one on my dash!

here is a link to the car he had been parting out since april
Parting out 97 Honda Civic.
he then call the guy he said he got the car from. and call me back and wants me to call him. I tell james i bought this car from him not the other guy! and that i want to deal throw him! being up set i call the number james gave me. the guy said he spent the money allready and that he had drove the car fine like that from months, and to just "take the sticker out of the door and it will be fine"! i tell him that is fraud and i am not going to do that! he asked he he could come remove the sticker for me i decline his offer. I tell him i want at least 800$ of my money back to cover my losses when i part the car out since thats all i can do leagaly. i end up getting 400$ out of this guy. and he told me james also made some money off this sale.

I carfax both vins and the the car i have is a tenn salvage vehicle. and i still upset because i have a car that is worth less! and getting 400$ back was better that nothing but its a drop in the bucket compared to what i paid for the car and the body work and paint. i feel like james is just as responable he was parting out the last civic since april i find it hard to believe he did not know about this since both cars have been there since april. i aked james for the crx he was selling to settle this issue but he declined. i dont think i am going to get any compesation out of makeing this thread i just want others to be aware!

[B18c1Turboed]

The thing i find funny, is that james edit his post for the white civc.After finding out that you knew about the vin swaps. The last day he wrote on that post for the white civic was May 25th then he goes in and edits it removing teh pictures of the car on 7/27 and saying he knew nothign about the VIN swaps.. yea right!

[quickdodge®]

i feel like james is just as responable he was parting out the last civic since april i find it hard to believe he did not know about this since both cars have been there since april.

Being unbiased, I have to agree. This is why I hate that you can sell stuff "for a friend" on here. There is a rule that anything sold "for a friend" is supposed to have the actual owner's contact info. Since it reverts back the actual seller on IA, it should be that seller's responsibility as well. Later, QD.

[B18c1Turboed]

Being unbiased, I have to agree. This is why I hate that you can sell stuff "for a friend" on here. There is a rule that anything sold "for a friend" is supposed to have the actual owner's contact info. Since it reverts back the actual seller on IA, it should be that seller's responsibility as well. Later, QD.

I think different. He was the one parting out the white civic coupe. And then it just so happened that that VIN number ended up on a car he was selling. I think he knew what was going on and he hoped no one would catch it.

Its easy to try to dump the blame on someone else, so it makes you being involved not look as bad, but did his friend have access to the white civic also?

[EmminoDaGreat]

im on my cell so i just wanted to say i am acknowledging this thread and i will make a legit response when i get home .

btw the white car was his also .

[quickdodge®]

I think different.

Not sure how. Scenario:

Mike has a car to sell.

Dave is going to help Mike sell the car.

Dave posts Mike's car up for sale without ANY contact info to Mike.

All dealings are done through Dave and NOT the owner of the car (Mike).

Dave needs to assume some of the responsibilities of a failed transactions.

If he didn't want to be involved in this manner, Dave should have NOT posted it on here or made it perfectly clear who to get in touch with about the sale.

I never said to place full blame on anyone. Later, QD.

[99SI]

Go to small claims court and you will win. I would name both people involved in the sale as defendants. Bring all the evidence you can come up with. You may even have a criminal case against both people since fraud was involved if you decided to pursue that route. However, I am not an attorney and I would suggest looking into getting some advice from someone who is.

[Revmaynard]

Damn, I don't know if I'm going to take my friends car there now. That's shadier then a tree in the sun.

[B18c1Turboed]

Not sure how. Scenario:

Mike has a car to sell.

Dave is going to help Mike sell the car.

Dave posts Mike's car up for sale without ANY contact info to Mike.

All dealings are done through Dave and NOT the owner of the car (Mike).

Dave needs to assume some of the responsibilities of a failed transactions.

If he didn't want to be involved in this manner, Dave should have NOT posted it on here or made it perfectly clear who to get in touch with about the sale.

I never said to place full blame on anyone. Later, QD.

Ok the question is did DAve know mike changed the VINS. Remeber Dave had a car that was being parted out and that vin ended up in the car MIKE was selling!!!

I just talked to a police about it, i think travis need to take it the legal way now,. SInce James was the one that sold the car he is responsible and that is considered theft by deception. Im going to get the officer in touch with travis, so travis can get his money back or press charges!

[B18c1Turboed]

theft by deception under OCGA 16-8-3
Title 16, Chapter 8, Section 3 (16-8-3)
(a) A person commits the offense of theft by deception when he obtains property by any deceitful means or artful practice with the intention of depriving the owner of the property.

(b) A person deceives if he intentionally:

(1) Creates or confirms another's impression of an existing fact or past event which is false and which the accused knows or believes to be false;

(2) Fails to correct a false impression of an existing fact or past event which he has previously created or confirmed;

(3) Prevents another from acquiring information pertinent to the disposition of the property involved;

(4) Sells or otherwise transfers or encumbers property intentionally failing to disclose a substantial and valid known lien, adverse claim, or other legal impediment to the enjoyment of the property, whether such impediment is or is not a matter of official record; or

(5) Promises performance of services which he does not intend to perform or knows will not be performed. Evidence of failure to perform standing alone shall not be sufficient to authorize a conviction under this subsection.

(c) "Deceitful means" and "artful practice" do not, however, include falsity as to matters having no pecuniary significance, or exaggeration by statements unlikely to deceive ordinary persons in the group addressed.

[Tech5]

dayum Travis sorry this happen to you man, hope this gets taken care of soon!

[BTEC]

Damn, I don't know if I'm going to take my friends car there now. That's shadier then a tree in the sun.

that deal has nothing to do with the shop. Shady deal no doubt but the quality of work and labor rates has nothing to do with james selling a car for his friend. I would hope james didnt know anything about it bc thats to high of a risk and just plain wrong.

i got screwed a few times buying stuff on here but its been less than 100 dollars. 1600? I seriously would kill somebody over that.

James, if you knew about it straighten it out man. or get ur friend who owned the car to step up and fix it. His cars, his deals, get out of it. If hes ur friend he wouldnt try to take u dwn on some shady crap like that ne way.

[EmminoDaGreat]

Alright on to my side, you can take this as you want. This has nothing to do with mainstream performance at all so dont make it that.

A friend of mine (who I sold the car for) Bought both of those cars from one person, one not running the other wrecked. He was in need of a car for his wife(she had totalled her accord) and asked if i could swap motors for him and by meens of paying me he would let me sell the parts off of his other car (pretty much have it).

That gets you to why I had a white civic parts car.

Come to the day posted up. Buddy comes to me says "hey I know you sell alot of parts, can you sell this car for me I need it gone by tomorrow." I said I can try, and that it might happen. I also asked if he had the title and other things, like emissions and paperwork. He said he did, so I figured since he had a tag,emissions,title everything was ok and it should be an easy item to sell.


I will state it was a bad idea for me to sell something for a friend, and yes I was wrong for that, and apparently not knowing everything about this car. Will I sell things for a friend again, no because it only screwed me in the end.

Travis and I talked on the phone, and tried to figure out something that could happen, so I called the original owner (since I gave him the money) and told him he should do something about it. They talked and whatnot. The original owner then came to me and I gave him 200$ to give to Travis, (money that the owner had given me to sell it) because it was the right thing to do.

I also told travis if I could help him in anyway, (pull all the parts off the car, sell some for him, refer him to people that needed said parts...) I would.

I also told travis he could give me the car back, and I would give him the CRX that I had, and I would part the car out. He declined both.

Im sorry that I cant personnally give you more money, but I gave you what I had gotten for selling it, If you thought it wasnt enough you should have not signed the paperwork that my friend provided you with, and told him to bring some more money.

In the end I appologize, I didnt know about any of this until it arrose, I tried my best to work things out, but apparently it was not enough. You can say I knew all about it, but you were wrong. Hell, I was going to sell the car to a good friend the day before....I have never sold anything screwy on this sight, Maybe some of the thousands of people I have sold things to on this site will arise, maybe all the people who I helped fix their broken ass cars on the side of the road will say something but probably not, . All I can say is that I gave you money back and offered to help, but it wasnot enough for you. You and I both know that the vehicle can easily be parted out, and I offered to totally take it appart for you.

I could not give you money that I didnt have, nor $1000 car, and you not give me the car back. So do what you must w/ this thread I think I have explained myself as best as I could.

[Tech5]

Glad to hear from you....I think what you said is fair.I think if Travis is still not happen to go after the Orignal Owner in court....But I think what you have done by coming on here, an telling your side an trying to make something happen to make Travis happen AND being FAIR was done right....Travis It sucks But I am sure you can make more enough buy parting it out, an selling the shell to the scrap yard..Best of luck ..I hope this can be dropped an be closed ...I hate seeing good IA members run into problems...Travis I have no problems with you ..James I have no problems with you...I can vouche for both partys! And I will Keep on !!!! Good luck to the both of you! later Joshua!

Alright on to my side, you can take this as you want. This has nothing to do with mainstream performance at all so dont make it that.

A friend of mine (who I sold the car for) Bought both of those cars from one person, one not running the other wrecked. He was in need of a car for his wife(she had totalled her accord) and asked if i could swap motors for him and by meens of paying me he would let me sell the parts off of his other car (pretty much have it).

That gets you to why I had a white civic parts car.

Come to the day posted up. Buddy comes to me says "hey I know you sell alot of parts, can you sell this car for me I need it gone by tomorrow." I said I can try, and that it might happen. I also asked if he had the title and other things, like emissions and paperwork. He said he did, so I figured since he had a tag,emissions,title everything was ok and it should be an easy item to sell.


I will state it was a bad idea for me to sell something for a friend, and yes I was wrong for that, and apparently not knowing everything about this car. Will I sell things for a friend again, no because it only screwed me in the end.

Travis and I talked on the phone, and tried to figure out something that could happen, so I called the original owner (since I gave him the money) and told him he should do something about it. They talked and whatnot. The original owner then came to me and I gave him 200$ to give to Travis, (money that the owner had given me to sell it) because it was the right thing to do.

I also told travis if I could help him in anyway, (pull all the parts off the car, sell some for him, refer him to people that needed said parts...) I would.

I also told travis he could give me the car back, and I would give him the CRX that I had, and I would part the car out. He declined both.

Im sorry that I cant personnally give you more money, but I gave you what I had gotten for selling it, If you thought it wasnt enough you should have not signed the paperwork that my friend provided you with, and told him to bring some more money.

In the end I appologize, I didnt know about any of this until it arrose, I tried my best to work things out, but apparently it was not enough. You can say I knew all about it, but you were wrong. Hell, I was going to sell the car to a good friend the day before....I have never sold anything screwy on this sight, Maybe some of the thousands of people I have sold things to on this site will arise, maybe all the people who I helped fix their broken ass cars on the side of the road will say something but probably not, . All I can say is that I gave you money back and offered to help, but it wasnot enough for you. You and I both know that the vehicle can easily be parted out, and I offered to totally take it appart for you.

I could not give you money that I didnt have, nor $1000 car, and you not give me the car back. So do what you must w/ this thread I think I have explained myself as best as I could.

[BTEC]

glad to hear ur side james. as i hoped you wouldve done you tired to fix the situation. both ur offers were fair and as much as u could imo considering you didnt pocket all the money ne way, how could u give him the full amount back? ur friend sucks for hiding out and letting you deal with this on ur own though.

Silver sol, sorry u got screwed but knowing james for as long as i have, he wouldnt do ne thing like that intentionally.

good luck to both and i hope it gets worked out soon. James, holla if u need me hommie.

[B18c1Turboed]

Who did travis pay? YOu stated above you made money off the deal, so that puts you as the middle man. In the end you where the one selling the car and the one resonsible. I find it funny that when you posted the white car as a parts car, IT STILL HAD THE DASH INSIDE OF IT. ANd you could see clear as day the car was at MSPI.

So like i said in the past, you are resonsible for what you sell. Why should travis have to deal with your friend when he paid you!!! It would have been diffrent if you posted the car up and gave your friends contact info, but you didnt...

So all blame leads back too you since you where the seller!!!

[B18c1Turboed]

Also i dont see how JAmes passing the blame too someone else, makes him in the right!!!

[BTEC]

Who did travis pay? YOu stated above you made money off the deal, so that puts you as the middle man. In the end you where the one selling the car and the one resonsible. I find it funny that when you posted the white car as a parts car, IT STILL HAD THE DASH INSIDE OF IT. ANd you could see clear as day the car was at MSPI.

So like i said in the past, you are resonsible for what you sell. Why should travis have to deal with your friend when he paid you!!! It would have been diffrent if you posted the car up and gave your friends contact info, but you didnt...

So all blame leads back too you since you where the seller!!!

i see your point but if you were in james's seat i seriously doubt u would be trying to take the blame for it if u didnt pocket the money.

And where the car is has nothing to do with the sale. I think james should get on silver sols bandwagon and go after his own friend to get the money back considering he was the middle man and his friend dnt seem to be trying to fix the situation (from what we on ia can see).

[EmminoDaGreat]

First of all, as fast as he handed me the money, it was handed off to the original owner. Like I said , and will say again I wont be selling **** for anyone ever again, its something that you just gotta learn I suppose. Also funny how the white parts car got crushed with a dash too... I learned from this mistake, that I should have put his contact info etc.

[B18c1Turboed]

First of all, as fast as he handed me the money, it was handed off to the original owner. Like I said , and will say again I wont be selling **** for anyone ever again, its something that you just gotta learn I suppose. Also funny how the white parts car got crushed with a dash too... I learned from this mistake, that I should have put his contact info etc.

Well your not the one learning it the hard way, ARE YOU? who is the one loosing money here?

[BTEC]

Also i dont see how JAmes passing the blame too someone else, makes him in the right!!!

its about getting travis his money back. 1600 was given to james, 1400 was given to friend. 200 in james pocket. situation goes bad and james gives travis 200. ur saying james is supposed to produce 1400 whether or not his friend bring it to him or not bc the initial 1600 was given to him? sorry but i wouldnt do it either. Me supposed friend would be my new enemy if he left me to come up with 1400 of my money bc i tried to help him out.

[TIGERJC]

Damn, I don't know if I'm going to take my friends car there now. That's shadier then a tree in the sun.

This has nothing to do with mainstream.

I believe it has to deal with the 2 individuals that was selling the car and not the shop that so happens to employ 1 of the ppl involved

[EmminoDaGreat]

He isnt going to loose anything, ONLY TIME, which I offered to take the car apart. YOU CAN EASILY part that car out and get 1250 out of it, which is all he paid. Do I need to break it down for you? Because I can.

[B18c1Turboed]

its about getting travis his money back. 1600 was given to james, 1400 was given to friend. 200 in james pocket. situation goes bad and james gives travis 200. ur saying james is supposed to produce 1400 whether or not his friend bring it to him or not bc the initial 1600 was given to him? sorry but i wouldnt do it either. Me supposed friend would be my new enemy if he left me to come up with 1400 of my money bc i tried to help him out.

Thats what happens when you trying too flip a car, and make money!!!
OK look at it like this.
James says he was selling the car for a friend, how do we know that? Basically he could be saying that and pocketing the money. This is what you ahve to deal with if your selling a car. So james isnt responsible for selling a car now.Just becasue he said he was selling for a friend. Well he shouldnt have got involved with it to start. Now travis is suppouse to eat it...

[EmminoDaGreat]

I think I forgot to say this part, but the original owner and travis came to an agreement on the money that would be returned to travis. which was $400, I gave the money I had made,$200, so the original owner only came out $200. If there was an issue with how much you where getting back, then you should have said something to him. Came to a better agreement. Travis took the money, and signed,dated,and printed on a written contract stating that the refunded money would be for compensation the issues at hand. I really thought that what I had offered on top of the money you got was a fair thing, but apparently some people disagree...


And danny If I didnt sell the car for a friend, who met with travis>? whose name was on the title?

Thank you! Don't try to act like i'm a ****ty person, you know nothing about me, and if you have a problem with me maybe you should come talk to me some day.

[B18c1Turboed]

He isnt going to loose anything, ONLY TIME, which I offered to take the car apart. YOU CAN EASILY part that car out and get 1250 out of it, which is all he paid. Do I need to break it down for you? Because I can.

So buy it back and part it out, why should he deal with it!!! Your the one that sold it messed up too him.. Not everyone has time too work on cars!!! Or deal with problems that they shouldnt ahve to deal with!!

[BTEC]

Thats what happens when you trying too flip a car, and make money!!!
OK look at it like this.
James says he was selling the car for a friend, how do we know that? Basically he could be saying that and pocketing the money. This is what you ahve to deal with if your selling a car. So james isnt responsible for selling a car now.Just becasue he said he was selling for a friend. Well he shouldnt have got involved with it to start. Now travis is suppouse to eat it...

no, james is supposed to help travis recoup his looses as in helping him part the car out or how ever they agree.

[BTEC]

So buy it back and part it out, why should he deal with it!!! Your the one that sold it messed up too him.. Not everyone has time too work on cars!!! Or deal with problems that they shouldnt ahve to deal with!!

and if james didnt pocket the money why shoul dhe have to come out of pocket? his friend should or like james and i said, he can help travis get his money back.

[EmminoDaGreat]

So buy it back and part it out, why should he deal with it!!! Your the one that sold it messed up too him.. Not everyone has time too work on cars!!! Or deal with problems that they shouldnt ahve to deal with!!

I tried giving him a perfectly good crx, but he didnt want it. For the car back, and I would have parted it out... guess you missed that part...

[B18c1Turboed]

I think I forgot to say this part, but the original owner and travis came to an agreement on the money that would be returned to travis. which was $400, I gave the money I had made,$200, so the original owner only came out $200. If there was an issue with how much you where getting back, then you should have said something to him. Came to a better agreement. Travis took the money, and signed,dated,and printed on a written contract stating that the refunded money would be for compensation the issues at hand. I really thought that what I had offered on top of the money you got was a fair thing, but apparently some people disagree...


And danny If I didnt sell the car for a friend, who met with travis>? whose name was on the title?

Thank you! Don't try to act like i'm a ****ty person, you know nothing about me, and if you have a problem with me maybe you should come talk to me some day.

YOur right i dont know you, all i know is the facts at hand!! I never said u where a ****ty person, but i think you need to correct this matter as a responsible seller!!

[BTEC]

So buy it back and part it out, why should he deal with it!!! Your the one that sold it messed up too him.. Not everyone has time too work on cars!!! Or deal with problems that they shouldnt ahve to deal with!!

and if james didnt pocket the money why shoul dhe have to come out of pocket? his friend should or like james and i said, he can help travis get his money back parting the car out and crushing the shell.

[B18c1Turboed]

I tried giving him a perfectly good crx, but he didnt want it. For the car back, and I would have parted it out... guess you missed that part...

Come on man, thats a joke. U selling the car for 1k he had 2k in the civic. HOw would that be smart on his part?

[B18c1Turboed]

and if james didnt pocket the money why shoul dhe have to come out of pocket? his friend should or like james and i said, he can help travis get his money back parting the car out and crushing the shell.

Becasue he was the one that sold it. Only did the mention of a "friend" come up after finding out about the VIN swap!

[BTEC]

YOur right i dont know you, all i know is the facts at hand!! I never said u where a ****ty person, but i think you need to correct this matter as a responsible seller!!

you obviously cant read. he said he offered to trade the car for the crx or help him part it out. how is that not trying to correct the matter?

[EmminoDaGreat]

a 200$ paint job and a 1200$ car doesnt add up to 2k, when the 02 sensor was provided.....

The crx could have been sold for more, depending on how long you wanted to wait....
You are still acting like I have done nothing to try and fix a ****ty situation...

[B18c1Turboed]

you obviously cant read. he said he offered to trade the car for the crx or help him part it out. how is that not trying to correct the matter?

And like i said, why should travis have to deal with parting the car out? ANd why would he trade a car he had 2k in for a crx that was for sale for 1k, but is really only worth 600 tops!

[BTEC]

Becasue he was the one that sold it. Only did the mention of a "friend" come up after finding out about the VIN swap!

well travis and james knows who the car actually belonged to so nobody on this site can really say whos responsible correct?

[EmminoDaGreat]

Becasue he was the one that sold it. Only did the mention of a "friend" come up after finding out about the VIN swap!

Thats not true because when he came to pick it up, I said its my buddy's wifes car she drives it everyday...because I told him if he need any crap for it to take it off of the other car while it was there...

[B18c1Turboed]

a 200$ paint job and a 1200$ car doesnt add up to 2k, when the 02 sensor was provided.....

The crx could have been sold for more, depending on how long you wanted to wait....
You are still acting like I have done nothing to try and fix a ****ty situation...

200.00 where do you get your cars painted? try close too 400 paint job atleast! Also he paid 1650.00 plus 400 paint. You guys returned 400 so he still out 1650.00

[BTEC]

And like i said, why should travis have to deal with parting the car out? ANd why would he trade a car he had 2k in for a crx that was for sale for 1k, but is really only worth 600 tops!

parting the car out is getting back more than 400 dollars. and trading the car for a crx ha can sell would also bring more than the 400 he got refunded. and he only paid 1600. 1k for the crx and 400 refunded would total a loss of 200 instead of 1200. which would you take?