Im trying to get across the point that you are makin rumors about the guy and you didnt know the whole situation.And now that you know and I've explained it to you.Then you will know that he isnt a thief.I know how it would look of course I would think the same thing.And that is why when I seen your post I replied so you would know both sides.And wouldnt be calling the guy a thief like he rides around stealing cars,because that is not the case here.Originally Posted by B18C5-EH2
1. It gets really old when people keep calling southside a thief, b/c honestly, they have no phucking idea! lol
How is a stolen engine legit in any capacity though? The detective had the name of the owner of the stolen Si. How do you unsteal an engine? I'm being serious. Are you telling me that he is now offering the insurance company of the stolen Si salvage pricing for the engine swap? If so I wasn't aware that this was possible, but if it is then kudos to him.
No.And I thought you said you bought your motor straight from HOnda.
I said I bought the replacement transmission from then Baranco (now Sons) Acura after I'd destroyed/rebuilt mine 3-4 times. Brand new transmissions from Honda/Acura have no VIN plates, but they also obviously never had rivets in them either. I've got pictures of the crate it came in, etc. I try to document my purchases as to avoid any undue accusations.
Old tranny with VIN plate visible - that same VIN is still on my engine block.
Brand new from Acura tranny with no rivets for VIN plate:
The box on my shop floor:
contacted the insurance company and they tell you how much they wanted for the motor and transmission that was in the vehicle.Then you pay the balance and they send you a crisp letter saying your balance has been paid and they give you the bill of sale with the vins of the motor and tranny with the amount paid for the items.How is a stolen engine legit in any capacity though? The detective had the name of the owner of the stolen Si. How do you unsteal an engine? i'm being serious.
No. I said I said I bought the replacement transmission from then Baranco
(now Sons) Acura after I'd destroyed/rebuilt mine 3-4 times. Brand new transmissions from Honda/Acura have no VIN plates, but they also obviously never had rivets in them either. I've got pictures of the crate it came in, etc. I try to document my purchases as to avoid any undue accusations.
Old tranny with VIN plate visible:
Brand new from Acura tranny with no rivets for VIN plate:
The box on my shop floor:
1. It gets really old when people keep calling southside a thief, b/c honestly, they have no phucking idea! lol
i Have a rebuilders licence i do a lot of business with insurance companys. I have never heard anything like this! Plus that motor and trans still has a altered vin! Its the samething as buying a pistol with the numbers scratched off duh they only do that for one reason!
Hella stock member!
dam wheres the pop corn
I am also suprised the police gave the guy back the car that had the stolen engine/trans and hood on it!
Hella stock member!
x2 the only time i seen this was the motor sellin at the insurance auction not selling back to the person it was found with
i think his jus disapointed tom,theyhought they could trust you tom, i remembered sum of them saying all the alignments and car talks they had wit you, why didnt you jus cum up to him and say hey i think thats my buddys hood its not lik you didnt know him what would he have done, he couldnt argue when you'll would've showed the ssn carved in it and only the hood was his,not the swap so why go try and get more punishmen for the young man, your alot older tom im pretty sure you made sum poor choices to in your day, but all the ia viewers didnt see it like they did this, and far as the volks go i doubt yours friend thought or cared they where stolen they had all four of them out of my friends truck and in you shop, and you guys hadready payed him, you'll where gettin ready to mount them as we where still out side talkin and noticed how narrow they where, then he came to us and explained and like gentlemen we refunded his money
allmotagsr
Well idk the insurance company told him pay the remaining balance in order for him to keep the motor and everything be squared away.They said something about they had no one to remove the motor and transmission from the vehicle so it was either pay or wait until they found someone to remove it.
1. It gets really old when people keep calling southside a thief, b/c honestly, they have no phucking idea! lol
so whats the ramaining balance on a car they probably payed out upwards of 7k for and i have seen theft recovery si shells at the insurance auctions and know what they go for.
Hella stock member!
ok i can vouch for the part where they aint have no one to remove it that they will have to wait because my cuzin was in the same shoes as your friend but the motor had vin tags and my cuzin got a bill of sale and and the sellers car tag and drivers licence number so he was at a car meet in florida where this happened and the cops pulled him over and poped the hood and ran the motor vin it came up stolen they held the car for one year and then the court ruled since he had all the info on the person who sold it to him that he had 10 days to remove the motor and return it to the state
yep they gave the car back jus like it was except for the hood which tom and his boys took, the motor jus had alot of water in it, we had to get it out ourselves, usually we would have taken it to honda acura but we did,nt want type R TOM to jack us up again
allmotagsr
well the hood was removed at the shop of course and given back to the owner.And the motor and tranny was in the car at the impound.The insurance company didnt know how to get a motor removed from the car I guess.So they told him either pay the remaining balance or wait until we find someone to remove the motor.Once the owner of the car talked to the insurance company the insurance company contacted the dectective.And explained the arrangement with the person, then the detective called him once he was contacted by the insurance company.And told him he could pay the towing fees and impound fees on the way.To the impound lot once the detective established he had paid the towing fees and cleared with with the wrecking company.He escorted him to the impound lot where the car was and released the car to him.Well after he had explained they had lost the key to the vehicle first.I swear Clayton COunty is a trip.
1. It gets really old when people keep calling southside a thief, b/c honestly, they have no phucking idea! lol
the price he paid the person he got the motor from was considered by the insurance company and they made him pay the remaining balance after they looked up the price swaps were going for.
1. It gets really old when people keep calling southside a thief, b/c honestly, they have no phucking idea! lol
I dont believe a insurance company would take into consideration what your buddy payed for stolen property!
Hella stock member!
Well they did Travis and is the reason why he still has the motor and transmission in his car.
1. It gets really old when people keep calling southside a thief, b/c honestly, they have no phucking idea! lol
If "trusting me" includes looking the other way from an obviously stolen engine/trans swap while checking a stolen hood's identifying marks, then no I'm not trustworthy in that respect. If trust is doing the best possible job in a professional manner when ever you guys had alignments, or anything else done, then yes I've always been trustworthy.
Put yourself in my tech's shoes man.
His ENTIRE CAR was stolen from his driveway on week night. Luckily he had a kill switch so the thief couldn't drive the car away from the spot they'd pushed it to at he end of the street. They stole his ECU by cutting 26 wires, they stole his hood, his AFC, etc. It was a wiring nightmare.
Then not only does your friend show up with his hood, which is one thing, but then the missing VIN B16A2 pretty much could not have made him look any worse. Why would we even bother asking for an explanation? We had discussed asking him for the hood back prior to popping the hood to check the ID marks, but then there was also a stolen engine with missing VIN plates.
For all we knew the argument could have been made that the ID marks were a completely different meaning other than my tech's initials and last 4 of his SSN. Hell even WITH that info the cops were reluctant to give him his hood back.
It wasn't about punishing your friend as much as it was following protocol for getting his stolen hood back. Had we simply removed it without calling the cops WE could have been charged with theft. Again anything could have been made to fit those ID marks that were on the hood hinge area.
I will apologize for the "shady crew" remarks, but again put yourself in our shoes. You're rolling with a guy with stolen shit - period.
We also never got a "I'm sorry man I didn't know it was stolen" or anything from any of you guys. It looked really bad on you guys.
Okay so your friend made some mistakes, and yes we all make them, but had he not gotten caught he'd still be rolling with someone else's stolen property, and you all would likely keep buying hsit with missing VINs, right?
Sucks that it all went down this way, but it did.
My friend is actually the one who brought the stolen point up after he'd looked online at how much Volks were going for earlier in the day. I'll be glad to call him and ask him if he actually payed amd money exchanged hands, but I honestly do not remember that. I apologize if I'm way off base here, but again the circumstances lend itself to look bad for you guys.and far as the volks go i doubt yours friend thought or cared they where stolen they had all four of them out of my friends truck and in you shop, and you guys hadready payed him, you'll where gettin ready to mount them as we where still out side talkin and noticed how narrow they where, then he came to us and explained and like gentlemen we refunded his money
I fucking hate thieves. Scum of the Earth.
Bozzio for president.
Okay so let me ask this question while the crew is reading:
DO YOU CONSIDER BUYING ENGINES/TRANSMISSIONS WITH REMOVED VIN PLATES PERFECTLY NORMAL?
What was your answer prior to December 24th when your friend got caught.
What is your answer now?
It's an honest question.
All I know is this is not the first time that stolen parts/items have been linked to the "turtle squad." Ill see if I can dig up the older threads.
This is exactly why I try to avoid going ANYWHERE near Clayton County.
And Chris, I am sorry to hear about your loss man. I know its been a while, but that shit sucks and thieves are the biggest pieces of shit to walk the earth. That is why half the time, unless Im selling my car on here, only a select few IA members have any idea what I drive. I dont trust half the people on this site. Ive said it once and Ill say it again, I can almost guarantee you that 99% of stolen members cars are from other members/lurkers of this site.
Well I missed a couple of other replies here so let me adress those too:
Oh okay so it's MY fault your friend bought hot shit? Don't mix this up man. I didn't jack anyone up - your friend did when he decided it was okay to buy VINless engine/tranny shit.
I can see that this is an argument that has no conclusion. If you want to continue to defend someone who willingly bought an altered VIN engine and transmission I don't know what else to say.
FACT:
Your friend was in possession of stolen property - do I need to post the info found on the Clayton County Court dockett page with the charges and his name?
Yes I am guilty of being nice to customers.im a close friend of southside and the guy you called the police on who was gettin his alignment done, beacuse you,ve done all his other alignments and where so freindly, and i can vouch for everthing southside jus said about tom giving wild rides around his shop in his hatch,
First of all I didn't buy shit.him buying the white volks from my other friend,
Secondly my friend thought better after he got that sick to his stomach feeling about the wheels. The possibility of being stolen was enough to not want them. He saw how narrow they were in the parking lot. He was considering using spacers, etc. Again he began feeling antsy about the deal, so he cancelled the deal. See this is how honest people avoid buying potentially shady shit.
Is there a stolen wheels database that I should be aware of? It's not as obvious as ths stolen engine/tranny found on December 24th.i didnt see you and your buddys trying to find out if they where stolen since you always thought me and my friends were so shady,
Yeah I got plenty of "eat shit" looks from her and the "crew" that was there trying to take the car home that day. As if I did something wrong?then you go and bring my friends mom into this sayin, mommy came and bailed him out which she did
Well then if he makes so much money why does he do shady "business" deals with VINless parts? why buy a c/f hood from some no name dude in a Wal Mart parking lot man? I hope he makes good money. Did you know what white collar criminals also make a shit ton more money than I do? doesn't mean they're honest.but with his hard earn saved up money from his construction job, and im pretty sure he gets payed more than you for answerin those phones up there,
At that point my boss, the owner of the shop, advised me to stay away from you guys. Since I'm but a lowly "phone answerer" I guess I was just following orders. Do you think I wanted to talk to you guys? Here I am always being nice to you guys then you show up at my shop with stolen shit from one of our employees, AND a complete stolen swap.and why are you being so bold and bad now when we where up there you stayed in the farthest bay until the police came, when your always at the front by the door,
Perhaps I am wrong. See I'll be the first to admit if I think I've made a mistake. Perhaps I'm wrong for judging you all based on running with a guy with stolen shit on his car.your wrong for trying to be mr.judge and jury tom,
Then why in the fuck did he buy a swap with obviously removed VIN plates? Some people take a different approach after getting shit stolen from them. Some people think it's okay to buy stolen shit afterwards since they feel like they're owed something.and my friend knows how it feels to get your car stolen when its your pride and joy, his red h22 prelude wit lsd, and red sportmax was stolen out his driveway,
Yes you've outed me as an untrustworthy person to look the other way when presented with a stolen engine swap and a stolen hood that belongs to a close friend/co worker. I'm sure onlookers here have a completely different view of me now, while people defending choices to buy VIN altered parts come out smelling like a rose.so stop pointing the finger TOM, you dont know my me or my friends, even though we thought we knew you
Cliff notes:
DON'T BRING YOUR CAR TO MY SHOP IF YOU HAVE MISSING VIN PLATES.
Last edited by B18C5-EH2; 08-23-2009 at 04:57 PM.
Here is a quote from the other thread as well, page one. One other instance where southside has sounded very suspect. Not accusing you of anything, but I am thinking you may know a lot about some of the thefts from the site.
Wow, this is a VERY interesting thread! Not taking sides since I don't know either one of y'all, but b18c5-eh3 has some very good information. Southside - if your friends buy swaps without VIN plates, tell them thats not smart at all. And I've seen a few other threads saying you're a thief (southside). I'm not saying you are, but many did/are.
b18c5-eh2 - I'll be on the lookout for that thread, man!
Shit, meet fan. Fan, shit.
Yes I have said alot of stuff that sounds suspect.The reason I said that is because the same people I see doing circles around the mall parking lot are the same people I see with new stuff.On sunday nights when I go out so like I said I know and have seen thiefsbrowsing parking lots and the reason why I have killswitches in my Hoopty.I also said to a guy when he was saying thats why I dont drive Hondas.I said I know some people that will come get that Camaro out your driveway.Reason I said that is to show that people steal anything.My friends mom stock accord was stolen from Walmart.My cousins Caprice was stolen from his apartments my point was that people steal anything.Including Lawn mowers because mine was on my back porch and was stolen.I mean really if you live anywhere around and hang out at any spot you see people with New shit just about everyweek and you wonder where the hell they got it.These are the same people you see scrambling at meets to see someone that pops there hood.Alot of people make accusations about stuff they dont know about.As many times I have recieved pms about stolen cars that a person says well my car came up missing in clayton county.And someone pmd me saying I should ask you because I tell them just like I tell everyone else."check the trailor parks".My friends prelude when it got stole was spotted parked at a guys house in a trailor park and the guy didnt tell me this until after his car was recoverd and I kept asking around.So everytime I see someones car was stolen from down here.I tell them CHeck the trailor parks.
1. It gets really old when people keep calling southside a thief, b/c honestly, they have no phucking idea! lol
Yes the guy Blake said that Turtlesquad stole his car LMAO because he had went to one of my friends house that ran his shop out of his backyard kinda like Voungs Garage.And he seen all the parts and stuff and guess he figured it was a chop shop.But when I contacted the guy Blake Via pm he said he also knew alot of people that stole stuff.When I mean know I dont mean personal friends but like when someone tells you oh watch out for that guy he steals shit.And he said turtlesquad took his shit and all this and that when his Si was stolen from the movie theater.Then later on someone told me that the guy knew who stole his car but he was scared to confront them and dropped the subject and that is when my friend that had his shop in his backyard got pissed because the guy was saying he had a chop shop or some shit and he knew that we had something to do with it.LMAO when people shit gets stolen everyone becomes a suspect and the blame game gets played.Trust me I know but just because someone says something doesnt make it true.Kinda like if I say you suck dick is it true?MAYBE Maybe not but who knows but if someone makes that accusation then of course they are going to think you have sufficient evidence to go along with you saying Im positive they have something to do with my car coming up missing.
[QUOTEB18C5-EH2]Okay so let me ask this question while the crew is reading:
DO YOU CONSIDER BUYING ENGINES/TRANSMISSIONS WITH REMOVED VIN PLATES PERFECTLY NORMAL?
What was your answer prior to December 24th when your friend got caught.
What is your answer now?
It's an honest question.[/QUOTE] Like I said as many motors I have seen for sale without vins it kinda is normal.Because you are not always going to find amotor with a vin plate.And my answer prior to Dec. 24 would have been to buy it and dont ask questions if its cheap.And my answer now is to get the cop that stays down the street from me to check it.Im sure he would have no problem running a vin or serial number for me.Or get them to write a bill of sale with there license number and signature.
also like I said my friend was wrong for purchasing the parts and probly shouldnt have but when stuff is cheap.One thing says dont do it and the other says buy it hes prolly just broke.But as for a apology Idk if your going to get one of those.My friend didnt do anything wrong but purchase the stolen items its not like he was the one who stole them.And the whole way he was treated didnt sit too right with him.Considering he was treated as if he was a criminal from the get go and had no chance to explain to your working where he had purchased the hood from.Before the cops were brought into the situation as if they had witnessed him stealing the items.The cops didnt wanna hear the truth at all and neither would anyone else.But when the shit hits the fan it hits the fan.And afterward then the true hits the fan and is when everyone comes to reason.LIke oh I see now but at first you didnt wanna hear it right.And from all the accusations no one did everyone was just hearing oh someone got caught redhanded and that was it.My friend bought something from one of your friends and was warned saying watch out a thief got caught at my shop.So you have to understand where he would be kinda bitter about the whole situation.Even though he was in the wrong from purchasing items without proper identification plates.
Last edited by southside; 08-23-2009 at 06:57 PM.
1. It gets really old when people keep calling southside a thief, b/c honestly, they have no phucking idea! lol
That last response was absolutely civil, and I can appreciate that.
You'll have to forgive me as I'm "out of the loop" and I have never really been big into buying swaps and parts from local people. I've always done business with Import Auto Salvage in N.C, Pacific Engine Co. back in the day, and J.E.I locally. I've never understood it to be "normal" to buy VIN-removed swaps, so when I see stuff like that it immediately makes me think "thief." Seeing my friend's/co-worker's hood at the same time also makes me think "thief." I think we've well covered this, but I feel almost like I have to defend myself for calling the cops which was the only right way to get that hood back.
You might also notice I've yet to post that topic naming the name too. Maybe dropping hints here and there was the best thing so that we could have this discussion since nobody from your camp ever stopped back by my shop to explain anything. Check my posting history here on IA and you'll see I'm very rarely/never on here. I saw your topic about engine bays and I dropped a hint because I thought it was ironic that you were asking to see engine bays, and your friend had a stolen swap.
I've had shit stolen too. It sucks. I think anyone who has experiences that sort of violation looks for ways to get back at thieves. I'm not trying to sound like an ass but myself and the guy whose hood was stolen don't follow some sort of "code" when it comes to "the scene." Where I'm at in life is calling the police when shit like that goes down. This was also at a place of business, with a business owner's interests in mind. She was definately not trying to play the "just ask for the hood back" game. It was "if you don't call the police I will" and that was that.
The stolen engine swap really cinched the whole calling the cops thing. I've got a friend who has had two cars stolen from him, and one was a 99-00 Civic Si - it could have been his engine.
Hindsight is always 20/20, meaning perhaps we could always have done something different. If your friend really had no clue a VIN-less swap wa shady then that sucks. He certainly knows now. I guess if everything gets dropped, he keeps the engine and it's somehow "legitimized" and he gets off with a slap on the wrist then that's as close to "justice" for all parties involved.
I cannot say I'd do the calling the cops thing differently though given the exact same circumstances. when the cops start saying shit like "yeah well his cell phone from the car has a lot of parts exchanging activity" it made me think that we had stumbled upon a full blown theft ring. What else was I to think? I can't give a guy with a stolen engine swap the benefit of the doubt given those circumstances.
If you think I'm a low life dirty snitch then I can't say anything to change your minds.
How would you have handled that situation being in my position? Don't forget that I had a fuming pissed co-worker and the owner of the shop to answer to as well.
Last thing for the night:
Just curious if you guys ever tracked down the guy(s) that sold the swap and the hood to your friend. See if I were you guys I'd be more pissed off at them than anyone. Surely you had the seller's phone number or something, or else how did you set up the deals?
And finally:
Since what's done is done what resolution do you think is best RIGHT NOW?
Meaning your friend can't unbuy stolen goods, and I can't uncall the cops.
I don't expect you guys to show up at the shop with a fruit basket or anything, just like you can't expect my co worker and I to apologize for calling the police.
Last edited by B18C5-EH2; 08-23-2009 at 07:54 PM.
yeah it blows, but nothing i can do now. thanks.
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