For those that don't like God

[Romeyo07]

Why? There's a story behind it I'm sure...just curious to know.

[Killer]

for one they've never experienced Him... (i'm not speakin for all of u so don't flip out and say F god and religion blah blah blah) i'm just saying when u've really been touched by God and felt His grace it's hard to deny Him.

[sararose]

Which "God" are you refering too? A bunch of different religions = a bunch of different gods

[ahabion]

I'm sure they are basing it on the Christianity... they probably hate Him because they were never shown a genuine Fatherly love from their real father and so relate that to their Heavenly Father and deny Him or they want to look cool with their "I hate God, GO DARWIN" bandwagon friends or they are devil worshippers and are the sworn enemy of God... sad to say that they've already lost... a few millenia ago.

[Wurm]

god tryed to touch me in the wrong spot


roflmao

[ahabion]

^^lol thats pretty funnee... "its my wurm! not yours!!" Chronic Masturbator

[Hulud]

its not that i dont like him, there isnt one imo

[Mchnhead2k5]

its not that i dont like him, there isnt one imo

i'm more agnostic than atheist.

[Hulud]

i'm more agnostic than atheist.

i wouldnt say im athiest, its more that i cant prove there is or isnt, is what i meant to say

[quickdodge®]

I'm sure they are basing it on the Christianity... they probably hate Him because they were never shown a genuine Fatherly love from their real father and so relate that to their Heavenly Father and deny Him or they want to look cool with their "I hate God, GO DARWIN" bandwagon friends or they are devil worshippers and are the sworn enemy of God... sad to say that they've already lost... a few millenia ago.

You're goddamn stupid. Lolol. Later, QD.

[ShooterMcGavin]

[Hulud]

I'm sure they are basing it on the Christianity... they probably hate Him because they were never shown a genuine Fatherly love from their real father and so relate that to their Heavenly Father and deny Him or they want to look cool with their "I hate God, GO DARWIN" bandwagon friends or they are devil worshippers and are the sworn enemy of God... sad to say that they've already lost... a few millenia ago.

ignorance is bliss i guess.......


typical christian

people like you are teh reason there are christian stereotypes

[BABY J]

Yall know this is the part where I insert a GANGSTA ass paragraph to shut the Christians down... but I won't. Use the search function and you can find what I think on this subject.

[BABY J]

We actually NEED trailhorses... we NEED people who can't think for themselves. If you have ever been horsebackriding you will know what I mean... all u gotta do is kick the horse once, it KNOWS the trail b/c it goes the same route 20 times a day. Try to get it off the trail and you have a war on your hands. If it helps millions of people sleep at night to feel that they are working towards something then I have decided to just let them have it. If they can watch men women and kids die in the street for no reason while asking "God" for invisible help that never arrives and still believe in him that's okay. I'm all about letting people do what they wanna do.

[Romeyo07]

<~~~~have yet to be shut down. I think we've come to the conclusion of agreeing to disagree. I do thoroughly enjoy reading what you posts though...much more than just saying "ef God, you're a moron".

How does believing in God make someone not think for themselves? What makes my rationing that good anyway? Serial Killers think for themseleves too, not exactly the greatest people in the world. I'm sure they told themselves it was ok to do it...just because he thought for himself.

I guess I wanted more stories I.E. my so and so died and "God" didn't do anything about it.

[Hulud]

I guess I wanted more stories I.E. my so and so died and "God" didn't do anything about it.

we know thats what you wanted, cause you already have an answer for that, but obviously thats not how we feel

[Romeyo07]

Its for my own curiousity. I'm not trying to change anything about anyone here.

[Hulud]

Its for my own curiousity. I'm not trying to change anything about anyone here.

im jw but why did you have a specific answer in mind already then

[ShooterMcGavin]

How does believing in God make someone not think for themselves? What makes my rationing that good anyway? Serial Killers think for themseleves too, not exactly the greatest people in the world. I'm sure they told themselves it was ok to do it...just because he thought for himself.

because it's easy to QUIT thinking for yourself at any moment because you recognize/believe that there's this omnipotent figure who already has a "plan" for you and your life anyway and whatever happens will just be a part of that "plan".

in fact that's the shit that boggles my mind the most. every christian who knows anything about their religion knows about free will and how god supposedly lets everyone make their own decisions, do their own thinking and do their own living. but then how does the fit into the "plan" he has for everyones life?

[Killer]

in fact that's the shit that boggles my mind the most. every christian who knows anything about their religion knows about free will and how god supposedly lets everyone make their own decisions, do their own thinking and do their own living. but then how does the fit into the "plan" he has for everyones life?

that in itself is a huge battle for most christians.. but it's kinda like u have two paths u can take.. ur own will, or Gods will.... but u still have to choose to obey God and have faith.. so it's still ur choice.... but seriously good point.. i've asked that question many a time....

[Killer]

If they can watch men women and kids die in the street for no reason while asking "God" for invisible help that never arrives and still believe in him that's okay. I'm all about letting people do what they wanna do.

first of all... how can u say that God's help never arrives???
God's help arrives exactly when it's supposed to.. not when u want it to.. by His will not ur own... There have been plenty of times i wanted somethin or felt i needed it.. i would pray for help.. and ur right.. it seemed like it never came... BUT i was wrong it came exactly when i needed it. God could answer every prayer.. but sometimes unanswered prayers are the answer themselves. my

[Wurm]

jesus had sars

[Killer]

its not that i dont like him, there isnt one imo

i respect ur opinion.. and whether u'll acknowledge my God or not... I've heard plenty of non christians say "there has to be something keeping this world in order" and i completely agree... if i'm wrong on what's "out there" then i'm wrong, but i don't see how people can deny there being something greater that made this world with absolutely everything it needs to sustain itself..

[ShooterMcGavin]

that in itself is a huge battle for most christians.. but it's kinda like u have two paths u can take.. ur own will, or Gods will.... but u still have to choose to obey God and have faith.. so it's still ur choice.... but seriously good point.. i've asked that question many a time....

but that's not really the case because isn't it one and the same? god has a plan for u the moment ur born right? so whether or not u choose to live by his will or ur will, it's still part of something that's already been predestined by him. whether ur mother theresa or hitler, god (if u believe there is one) planned for them to live the way they did the moment they were born.

[ahabion]

You're goddamn stupid. Lolol. Later, QD.

ever heard of sarcasm

[BABY J]

first of all... how can u say that God's help never arrives???
God's help arrives exactly when it's supposed to.. not when u want it to.. by His will not ur own... There have been plenty of times i wanted somethin or felt i needed it.. i would pray for help.. and ur right.. it seemed like it never came... BUT i was wrong it came exactly when i needed it. God could answer every prayer.. but sometimes unanswered prayers are the answer themselves. my

Typical. "God works in mysterious ways" crap. LOL. Seriously. Christians have less answers than a 5 year old in Calc 2. And when they are cornered it's ALWAYS the same

--> it's not meant to be understood

--> gotta have faith

--> God works in mysterious ways.

Well guess what, when Malachi Chapter 3 wants 10% of ALL my increase then dammit it IS meant to be understood. Funny how "God" can be so specific about the percentage but can't prove his existance in the LEAST way.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. When I was a kid, I believed in the Tooth Fairy. I even had evidence of the Tooth Fairy's existence. I'd go to bed and leave my tooth in a glass of water - and when I got up the next day, not only was the tooth gone, but there was money there! *gasp!* Surely that proves there's a Tooth Fairy?!!!

Ultimately, it's up to the people who assert the positive (that God exists) to prove their claim. If I tell you there's a pink and purple invisible dragon in my bathroom, it's not up to anyone to prove there isn't. My pink and purple dragon is invisible, so your claim that you can't see it doesn't prove it isn't there. But can I prove it IS there? No - even though it's my responsibility to do so.

There are countless Christians (and others) who claim that they know God is real because they pray and get answers. I'm just wondering though, why it is that the children who beg God to be saved from their molestor aren't answered? Why are people who starve to death, not answered? Why were six million Jews not answered some decades back? Unfortunately, prayer is not evidence.

According to Christian theology (you fuckers think I am just talking but I STUDIED religion in college), though, prayer ought to be evidence. Look at what their bible says:

John 14:13-14
"And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do it."

Matthew 7:7-8
"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened."

John 16:23-24
"Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you... Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full."

These verses tell the Christian that they can ask for ANYTHING AT ALL and it WILL be given. Now, either Christians aren't asking God to end starvation and disease - or Jesus doesn't answer prayers. There are no conditions applied to these verses. Jesus just tells them to ask, and they'll get.

At the end of the day, God HAS to be something you can only personally experience as a feeling. And even then you (in my mind) must WANT to. You people KILL me w/ the "I KNOW HE'S REAL" bit. You can't know it, because if you knew it you could teach me --> and him --> and her... and every1 else... like a math formula and I would know it. It must be an individual experience and impossible to share-i have not felt it, and unless He performs MIRACLES like He did when he walked the Earth... you know, miracles like the tooth fairy did back in the day, then I will continue to be a good person, treat people right, help people when I can like my MOM taught me. If I end up in hell b/c of that, then God has more issues than a few IMO.

IMO, God is and always will be just a comfort zone for insecure and weak individuals. HE is a simple made up story. I think it is likely that the important people existed and all prophets mentioned in all books of religion were true, but just common heroes of humanity. They were no more important than John F Kennedy or Martin Luther King Jr., or Brett and Leisa Lowenthall. You think it is acually logical that a spiritual world exists? If so, you need to be sterlized or liquidated. Religious people might as well believe in Santa Claus. When you die, you will enter an eternal world of darkness and thousands of years will pass and the Sun explode and you will not know a thing about it. Maybe stories of gods were just remnants of folklore of incredible encounters and interactions with extraterrestrials, maybe we are the decendants of them. No matter how extraordinary that may sound, it is in fact more logical than the pathetic spiritual and ILLOGICAL dream all the weak religious people think of. Imagine the world without religion, but just simple morals and rules. There would be minimal fighting. This is the way it is.. BIBLE/QUR'ON= WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. I don't think anyone can tell me differently. When someone hears me lay out the blunt truth about death and life, I know it hurts in their heart but you hide it and fear it, but to accept and aknowledge that there is no fantasy world after death, you will enter a whole new plain of confidence and power. God is a sense, without all these primal minds thinking of the existance of the God, they would be insane, they couldn't manage otherwise. They are all like sheep. I know for sure eventually one day, people will look past religion. If you are smart you can see it happening today all over the world. For it to be SO sacred, there are more people DEAD b/c of it than anything else. The WORLD will realize this one day and say FUCK IT. The bible has as much weight to me as Mother Goose Rhymes and Aesop's Fables.

[ShooterMcGavin]

i respect ur opinion.. and whether u'll acknowledge my God or not... I've heard plenty of non christians say "there has to be something keeping this world in order" and i completely agree... if i'm wrong on what's "out there" then i'm wrong, but i don't see how people can deny there being something greater that made this world with absolutely everything it needs to sustain itself..

first off, if u think this world today is in "order" then either ur definition of order is a very loose one or maybe u and i aren't living in the same world. if u don't get what i mean, open up cnn.com and just look over the top news stories.

secondly, why can u not see how ppl deny that there's something greater out there? i can easily deny of the existence of something greater, just because we as humans might not be able to COMPREHEND the intricacies of this world, nature and all the living things around us and how we came to be about, does not in any way shape or form give REASON OR PROOF that something "greater" exists.

[2.0civic]

Typical. "God works in mysterious ways" crap. LOL. Seriously. Christians have less answers than a 5 year old in Calc 2. And when they are cornered it's ALWAYS the same

--> it's not meant to be understood

--> gotta have faith

--> God works in mysterious ways.

Well guess what, when Malachi Chapter 3 wants 10% of ALL my increase then dammit it IS meant to be understood. Funny how "God" can be so specific about the percentage but can't prove his existance in the LEAST way.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. When I was a kid, I believed in the Tooth Fairy. I even had evidence of the Tooth Fairy's existence. I'd go to bed and leave my tooth in a glass of water - and when I got up the next day, not only was the tooth gone, but there was money there! *gasp!* Surely that proves there's a Tooth Fairy?!!!

Ultimately, it's up to the people who assert the positive (that God exists) to prove their claim. If I tell you there's a pink and purple invisible dragon in my bathroom, it's not up to anyone to prove there isn't. My pink and purple dragon is invisible, so your claim that you can't see it doesn't prove it isn't there. But can I prove it IS there? No - even though it's my responsibility to do so.

There are countless Christians (and others) who claim that they know God is real because they pray and get answers. I'm just wondering though, why it is that the children who beg God to be saved from their molestor aren't answered? Why are people who starve to death, not answered? Why were six million Jews not answered some decades back? Unfortunately, prayer is not evidence.

According to Christian theology (you fuckers think I am just talking but I STUDIED religion in college), though, prayer ought to be evidence. Look at what their bible says:

John 14:13-14
"And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do it."

Matthew 7:7-8
"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened."

John 16:23-24
"Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you... Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full."

These verses tell the Christian that they can ask for ANYTHING AT ALL and it WILL be given. Now, either Christians aren't asking God to end starvation and disease - or Jesus doesn't answer prayers. There are no conditions applied to these verses. Jesus just tells them to ask, and they'll get.

At the end of the day, God HAS to be something you can only personally experience as a feeling. And even then you (in my mind) must WANT to. You people KILL me w/ the "I KNOW HE'S REAL" bit. You can't know it, because if you knew it you could teach me --> and him --> and her... and every1 else... like a math formula and I would know it. It must be an individual experience and impossible to share-i have not felt it, and unless He performs MIRACLES like He did when he walked the Earth... you know, miracles like the tooth fairy did back in the day, then I will continue to be a good person, treat people right, help people when I can like my MOM taught me. If I end up in hell b/c of that, then God has more issues than a few IMO.

IMO, God is and always will be just a comfort zone for insecure and weak individuals. HE is a simple made up story. I think it is likely that the important people existed and all prophets mentioned in all books of religion were true, but just common heroes of humanity. They were no more important than John F Kennedy or Majrtin Luther King Jr. You think it is acually logical that a spiritual world exists? If so, you need to be sterlized or liquidated. Religious people might as well believe in Santa Claus. When you die, you will enter an eternal world of darkness and thousands of years will pass and the Sun explode and you will not know a thing about it. Maybe stories of gods were just remnants of folklore of incredible encounters and interactions with extraterrestrials, maybe we are the decendants of them. No matter how extraordinary that may sound, it is in fact more logical than the pathetic spiritual and ILLOGICAL dream all the weak religious people think of. Imagine the world without religion, but just simple morals and rules. There would be minimal fighting. This is the way it is.. BIBLE/QUR'ON= WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. I don't think anyone can tell me differently. When someone hears me lay out the blunt truth about death and life, I know it hurts in their heart but you hide it and fear it, but to accept and aknowledge that there is no fantasy world after death, you will enter a whole new plain of confidence and power. God is a sense, without all these primal minds thinking of the existance of the God, they would be insane, they couldn't manage otherwise. They are all like sheep. I know for sure eventually one day, people will look past religion. If you are smart you can see it happening today all over the world. For it to be SO sacred, there are more people DEAD b/c of it than anything else. The WORLD will realize this one day and say FUCK IT. The bible has as much weight to me as Mother Goose Rhymes and Aesop's Fables.

thats the mst concise(sp?), thoguht out post ive ever seen on IA. you mentioned a few points i was going to bring up. my biggest issue is that if we are "gods people" how come on the way to the varsity i was about 20 homeless people?? Why is it that he lets "his people" suffer like they do?? Everyone answers this with"to see if you waver from faith" well hell yeah! if i was homeless then i would waiver and tell god to EAD.

[2.0civic]

christians have had over 2000 years to prove some shit and havent done it so when there is proof, i might start believing

[ShooterMcGavin]

Typical. "God works in mysterious ways" crap. LOL. Seriously. Christians have less answers than a 5 year old in Calc 2. And when they are cornered it's ALWAYS the same

--> it's not meant to be understood

--> gotta have faith

--> God works in mysterious ways.

Well guess what, when Malachi Chapter 3 wants 10% of ALL my increase then dammit it IS meant to be understood. Funny how "God" can be so specific about the percentage but can't prove his existance in the LEAST way.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. When I was a kid, I believed in the Tooth Fairy. I even had evidence of the Tooth Fairy's existence. I'd go to bed and leave my tooth in a glass of water - and when I got up the next day, not only was the tooth gone, but there was money there! *gasp!* Surely that proves there's a Tooth Fairy?!!!

Ultimately, it's up to the people who assert the positive (that God exists) to prove their claim. If I tell you there's a pink and purple invisible dragon in my bathroom, it's not up to anyone to prove there isn't. My pink and purple dragon is invisible, so your claim that you can't see it doesn't prove it isn't there. But can I prove it IS there? No - even though it's my responsibility to do so.

There are countless Christians (and others) who claim that they know God is real because they pray and get answers. I'm just wondering though, why it is that the children who beg God to be saved from their molestor aren't answered? Why are people who starve to death, not answered? Why were six million Jews not answered some decades back? Unfortunately, prayer is not evidence.

According to Christian theology (you fuckers think I am just talking but I STUDIED religion in college), though, prayer ought to be evidence. Look at what their bible says:

John 14:13-14
"And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do it."

Matthew 7:7-8
"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened."

John 16:23-24
"Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you... Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full."

These verses tell the Christian that they can ask for ANYTHING AT ALL and it WILL be given. Now, either Christians aren't asking God to end starvation and disease - or Jesus doesn't answer prayers. There are no conditions applied to these verses. Jesus just tells them to ask, and they'll get.

At the end of the day, God HAS to be something you can only personally experience as a feeling. And even then you (in my mind) must WANT to. You people KILL me w/ the "I KNOW HE'S REAL" bit. You can't know it, because if you knew it you could teach me --> and him --> and her... and every1 else... like a math formula and I would know it. It must be an individual experience and impossible to share-i have not felt it, and unless He performs MIRACLES like He did when he walked the Earth... you know, miracles like the tooth fairy did back in the day, then I will continue to be a good person, treat people right, help people when I can like my MOM taught me. If I end up in hell b/c of that, then God has more issues than a few IMO.

IMO, God is and always will be just a comfort zone for insecure and weak individuals. HE is a simple made up story. I think it is likely that the important people existed and all prophets mentioned in all books of religion were true, but just common heroes of humanity. They were no more important than John F Kennedy or Martin Luther King Jr., or Brett and Leisa Lowenthall. You think it is acually logical that a spiritual world exists? If so, you need to be sterlized or liquidated. Religious people might as well believe in Santa Claus. When you die, you will enter an eternal world of darkness and thousands of years will pass and the Sun explode and you will not know a thing about it. Maybe stories of gods were just remnants of folklore of incredible encounters and interactions with extraterrestrials, maybe we are the decendants of them. No matter how extraordinary that may sound, it is in fact more logical than the pathetic spiritual and ILLOGICAL dream all the weak religious people think of. Imagine the world without religion, but just simple morals and rules. There would be minimal fighting. This is the way it is.. BIBLE/QUR'ON= WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. I don't think anyone can tell me differently. When someone hears me lay out the blunt truth about death and life, I know it hurts in their heart but you hide it and fear it, but to accept and aknowledge that there is no fantasy world after death, you will enter a whole new plain of confidence and power. God is a sense, without all these primal minds thinking of the existance of the God, they would be insane, they couldn't manage otherwise. They are all like sheep. I know for sure eventually one day, people will look past religion. If you are smart you can see it happening today all over the world. For it to be SO sacred, there are more people DEAD b/c of it than anything else. The WORLD will realize this one day and say FUCK IT. The bible has as much weight to me as Mother Goose Rhymes and Aesop's Fables.

+29083476589723645 (when i can again )

[Killer]

but that's not really the case because isn't it one and the same? god has a plan for u the moment ur born right? so whether or not u choose to live by his will or ur will, it's still part of something that's already been predestined by him. whether ur mother theresa or hitler, god (if u believe there is one) planned for them to live the way they did the moment they were born.

again man... that's a question i ask all the time... and i'm a christian.. what i told u is the most common answer i've heard.. and i normally come back with something like u said.. because to me it does and doesn't make sense.. u know like God testing us... if He know's i'm gonna fail.. why's He testing me?? that kinda stuff. so for real i see ur point and i don't have a better explanation for it! wish i had some answers for u man.

[Killer]

christians have had over 2000 years to prove some shit and havent done it so when there is proof, i might start believing

non christians have had over 2000 years to disprove and they still haven't either... so ur point.. not a point at all... nice try though.

[Killer]

thats the mst concise(sp?), thoguht out post ive ever seen on IA. you mentioned a few points i was going to bring up. my biggest issue is that if we are "gods people" how come on the way to the varsity i was about 20 homeless people?? Why is it that he lets "his people" suffer like they do?? Everyone answers this with"to see if you waver from faith" well hell yeah! if i was homeless then i would waiver and tell god to EAD.

and that is y u would stay homeless...

[ShooterMcGavin]

again man... that's a question i ask all the time... and i'm a christian.. what i told u is the most common answer i've heard.. and i normally come back with something like u said.. because to me it does and doesn't make sense.. u know like God testing us... if He know's i'm gonna fail.. why's He testing me?? that kinda stuff. so for real i see ur point and i don't have a better explanation for it! wish i had some answers for u man.

well in that case then i give u credit for owning up to the fact that u don't know and not throwing the usual lame excuses i've heard. +1

[Killer]

first off, if u think this world today is in "order" then either ur definition of order is a very loose one or maybe u and i aren't living in the same world. if u don't get what i mean, open up cnn.com and just look over the top news stories.

secondly, why can u not see how ppl deny that there's something greater out there? i can easily deny of the existence of something greater, just because we as humans might not be able to COMPREHEND the intricacies of this world, nature and all the living things around us and how we came to be about, does not in any way shape or form give REASON OR PROOF that something "greater" exists.

i don't mean people are in order.. i'll give it to u the world is in shambles right now... i mean the cycle of earth it's self.. we need oxygen, plants make oxygen, we need to be a certain temp.. we're set in space at that perfect distance from the sun... all those kind of things.

[ahabion]

doesnt every religion have something to prove? whos to say that in budhism, when you die you are reincarnated as an animal? Islamics (not sure if thats the proper religious term...) that say when you die, you're surrounded by 1000 women... the jews and the palistinians that cant decide whose land Abraham promised them... the voodoo that can cause someone to get sick or kill them... dont they all have something to prove?

evolution even has something to prove.

[ShooterMcGavin]

non christians have had over 2000 years to disprove and they still haven't either... so ur point.. not a point at all... nice try though.

but it IS a point though.

1) they don't have to disprove anything, nonbelievers aren't the ones with a story about something/someone almighty that is responsible for everything that happens around us.

2) think of it this way, say i believe in the pink purple invisible dragon that baby j mentioned. would nonbelievers REALLY have to disprove that? i mean seriously think about that.

[ShooterMcGavin]

i don't mean people are in order.. i'll give it to u the world is in shambles right now... i mean the cycle of earth it's self.. we need oxygen, plants make oxygen, we need to be a certain temp.. we're set in space at that perfect distance from the sun... all those kind of things.

refer to the 2nd part of what i said then

[Killer]

Typical. "God works in mysterious ways" crap. LOL. Seriously. Christians have less answers than a 5 year old in Calc 2. And when they are cornered it's ALWAYS the same

--> it's not meant to be understood

--> gotta have faith

--> God works in mysterious ways.

Well guess what, when Malachi Chapter 3 wants 10% of ALL my increase then dammit it IS meant to be understood. Funny how "God" can be so specific about the percentage but can't prove his existance in the LEAST way.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. When I was a kid, I believed in the Tooth Fairy. I even had evidence of the Tooth Fairy's existence. I'd go to bed and leave my tooth in a glass of water - and when I got up the next day, not only was the tooth gone, but there was money there! *gasp!* Surely that proves there's a Tooth Fairy?!!!

Ultimately, it's up to the people who assert the positive (that God exists) to prove their claim. If I tell you there's a pink and purple invisible dragon in my bathroom, it's not up to anyone to prove there isn't. My pink and purple dragon is invisible, so your claim that you can't see it doesn't prove it isn't there. But can I prove it IS there? No - even though it's my responsibility to do so.

There are countless Christians (and others) who claim that they know God is real because they pray and get answers. I'm just wondering though, why it is that the children who beg God to be saved from their molestor aren't answered? Why are people who starve to death, not answered? Why were six million Jews not answered some decades back? Unfortunately, prayer is not evidence.

According to Christian theology (you fuckers think I am just talking but I STUDIED religion in college), though, prayer ought to be evidence. Look at what their bible says:

John 14:13-14
"And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do it."

Matthew 7:7-8
"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened."

John 16:23-24
"Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you... Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full."

These verses tell the Christian that they can ask for ANYTHING AT ALL and it WILL be given. Now, either Christians aren't asking God to end starvation and disease - or Jesus doesn't answer prayers. There are no conditions applied to these verses. Jesus just tells them to ask, and they'll get.

At the end of the day, God HAS to be something you can only personally experience as a feeling. And even then you (in my mind) must WANT to. You people KILL me w/ the "I KNOW HE'S REAL" bit. You can't know it, because if you knew it you could teach me --> and him --> and her... and every1 else... like a math formula and I would know it. It must be an individual experience and impossible to share-i have not felt it, and unless He performs MIRACLES like He did when he walked the Earth... you know, miracles like the tooth fairy did back in the day, then I will continue to be a good person, treat people right, help people when I can like my MOM taught me. If I end up in hell b/c of that, then God has more issues than a few IMO.

IMO, God is and always will be just a comfort zone for insecure and weak individuals. HE is a simple made up story. I think it is likely that the important people existed and all prophets mentioned in all books of religion were true, but just common heroes of humanity. They were no more important than John F Kennedy or Martin Luther King Jr., or Brett and Leisa Lowenthall. You think it is acually logical that a spiritual world exists? If so, you need to be sterlized or liquidated. Religious people might as well believe in Santa Claus. When you die, you will enter an eternal world of darkness and thousands of years will pass and the Sun explode and you will not know a thing about it. Maybe stories of gods were just remnants of folklore of incredible encounters and interactions with extraterrestrials, maybe we are the decendants of them. No matter how extraordinary that may sound, it is in fact more logical than the pathetic spiritual and ILLOGICAL dream all the weak religious people think of. Imagine the world without religion, but just simple morals and rules. There would be minimal fighting. This is the way it is.. BIBLE/QUR'ON= WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. I don't think anyone can tell me differently. When someone hears me lay out the blunt truth about death and life, I know it hurts in their heart but you hide it and fear it, but to accept and aknowledge that there is no fantasy world after death, you will enter a whole new plain of confidence and power. God is a sense, without all these primal minds thinking of the existance of the God, they would be insane, they couldn't manage otherwise. They are all like sheep. I know for sure eventually one day, people will look past religion. If you are smart you can see it happening today all over the world. For it to be SO sacred, there are more people DEAD b/c of it than anything else. The WORLD will realize this one day and say FUCK IT. The bible has as much weight to me as Mother Goose Rhymes and Aesop's Fables.

my point is u can't tell me prayers aren't answered...

and u can't take the bible so literally.. Jesus spoke in parables all the time.. So why wouldn't God? I mean think about it... If God Literally Answered EVERY single prayer... the world would not be in existance. And i don't know the verse so i'm sorry for not quoting actual scripture but it also says in the bible that God has a deaf ear to non believers. until they believe and ask for repentence.

[2.0civic]

non christians have had over 2000 years to disprove and they still haven't either... so ur point.. not a point at all... nice try though.

you are trying to prove something exists. If there is no FACTUAL evidence of it, then it clearly doesnt exist. as far as christianity goes, it has another major flaw. You can live your life doing shitty deeds but as long as you are "saved" before you die, and "repent" your sins, you get into heaven.