http://www.jesusdynasty.com/
^ this is new book and very intersting take on Jesus, his life, his family, etc...
Some say its anti christian some say orgins of the TRUE Jesus.
The Jesus Dynasty
http://www.jesusdynasty.com/
^ this is new book and very intersting take on Jesus, his life, his family, etc...
Some say its anti christian some say orgins of the TRUE Jesus.
watch nightline right now
Can it be Anti-Chrisitan if it is written by a Christian? Or will a "true" Christian interject his/her own Christian views to refute this Christian author? Is that Christian-like? Are the intimate details of Jesus' life more important than what he symbolizes? Are they one in the same?
Someone buy the book and put it in PDF.I'd like to read it. We can start a religious library.
Last edited by pharm_teg; 04-08-2006 at 04:23 AM. Reason: text
I'd love to read what it says. I think his view in that blurb about Paul taking Christianity and forming it into what he viewed it as is misleading. Jesus gave them the grand commission, and that's what they did.
Back to work....
From what I have seen so far Mr Tabor relys heavily upon his own conjectures.
A big mistake.
He also makes the mistake of ignoring or dismissing a great part of who Jesus is.
This would lead me to a conclusion that he is honestly mistaken about much of what he projects as 'fact' or this is yet another attempt by mankind to force Jesus Christ into a mold more suitable for mans desires.
He also shows disrespect for God in his allegation that Paul basicly twisted what Jesus would have wanted "preaching a message based on his own revelations" The only way one can come up with this conclusion is that God is somehow too weak and powerless to protect the integrity of His Word AND incapable of inspiring His own apostles. That concept is rubbish. Fact is Paul preached the SAME message Christ did. I have the Book. I can read and see that for myself. I don't need Mr Tabors thoughts and ideas superimposed upon it any more then I need the popes "twist" placed upon it.
I would also add that Mr Tabor appears to making the same mistake as many others before him...picking and choosing which parts of the Bible he wants to agree with or dismiss in some fashion. To any rational thinker that should be a HUGE huge huge...red flag.
Last edited by metalman; 04-11-2006 at 01:22 PM.
i think he is questioning the validity for possibly higher enlightenment... if things were so accurate in the bible where is everything it speaks of, why is faith always the answer, i personally dont think its far off to think that be bible too has been LOST IN TRANSLATION. there is not accurate account of even when it was written, and from what i read not only does he hold a PHD in theology, but he is one of the top experts on ancient text such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, i think things sometimes are hard for people to grasp if they don't hold such knowledge/insight.Originally Posted by metalman
All translations of the bible tell the same story. Minor words may change from one language to another, but to completely change the "moral of the story", don't think that's an issue.
Faith is always the answer because it always works, at least for me.
Why is it we question what was written in the bible but not in our history books?
Because we have Faith in history
hows that answer? cause thats all i hear about the bible
Val for President
probably b/c we don't rely on faith to answer acient history.
let me ask you is there such a thing as these great stone structures in the eygptian desert called pyramids? have you been to eygpt? let me guess you answered yes and no you haven't been there.
now this man named jesus... where is his body/tomb? see, not that difficult is it.
Be it the story of Jesus or the story of Alexander the Great...it's written, passed down, and given to future generations. What's the difference?
The tomb where Jesus was placed is a highly visited place...probably b/c we don't rely on faith to answer acient history.
let me ask you is there such a thing as these great stone structures in the eygptian desert called pyramids? have you been to eygpt? let me guess you answered yes and no you haven't been there.
now this man named jesus... where is his body/tomb? see, not that difficult is it.
Of course the body isn't there...he was resurrected, but I know you don't believe that.
I don't rely on faith to answer what I believe, it's in the bible.
yes his body was RESURRECTED, is that FAITH or FACT? oh that would be FAITH again, sorry thanx for playing.
Do you ever watch David Copperfield? You should, i've seen him make a 747 disappear
Written in the bible.....yes his body was RESURRECTED, is that FAITH or FACT? oh that would be FAITH again, sorry thanx for playing.
Do you ever watch David Copperfield? You should, i've seen him make a 747 disappear
genghis khan killed thousands of people....did you see that happen? no? didn't think so...so why do you believe that he did?
i bet there are thousands of dead bodies still in the ground
Val for President
thank you i'm glad i didn't have to answer that hard onei bet there are thousands of dead bodies still in the ground
"Higher enlightenment"?? That would would make me burst out laughing if it werent so sadly ridiclulous. Mr Tabor has enlightenment or insights the Creator of Universe doesnt have??? Right.
In order to fully appreciate the Bible truths one first would require a personal knowlege of the God who authored them.
The validity of Scripture isnt an issue for many because they have experienced its TRUTH and POWER. They have also seen its prophecys come true exactly to the letter. For those that havent experienced this all is probably confusing especially when learned men such as Mr Tabor add their conjectures further clouding the fog these poor souls are left in without a knowlege of God.
"If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed; and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" John 8:31,32
How true...not only free from the penalty of sin BUT free from confusion and false 'enlightenment'
along with the rest of the people mentioned in the bible with the exception for the one who rose up from the dead. No one else in history has ever done so, which is why it's questioned. Would you believe the rest of the bible since everyone else is burried somewhere?
the human race does question our history books, as they are constantly revised and reviewed to make sure the account with the biggest amout of physical proof is past on. HOWEVER, i do not, and i believe many more people, see the bible subjected to this revision process as our history is. Perhaps that is why we question the bible.
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
good point
Val for President
then if left in it's original form of old manuscripts would it be held to be more accurate?
Side topic - do you feel there is anything to gain from the bible?
nah man dont change the subject, make a new thread
Val for President
i do not mean it should be left in the original form. as if history was treated like that, then it would still be a common belief that we treated the indians kindly, Germany was invited into poland and the holocaust never took place. what i mean is that people question the factual basis of the bible because there has never really been a huge mainstream research into it. What proof have u seen of the stories held within? even the "Artifacts" have not been verified as true, such as the shroud of turan. with history however, we have seen the result of the trail of tears, we have video and photographs of the destruction of the german invasion, and the bodies, mass graves, and places such as Aushwitz VERIFY the holocaust. the reason man questions the bible is because that is what we do. Our higher intellect than other life allows us to inquire and question, and we do so until we have a factual, physical collection of proof verifying the object in question. History has been proven over and agian, the same cannot be said for the bible, and until it is, it shall be questioned, as that is human nature.
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
On this note I must say I dont hold much with 'revisionist' history either.
I would characterize it more along the line of reviewing and revising history to be politically correct, more acceptable to special interest groups etc etc...NOT more accurate.
Screw all that...just the facts please.
Examples...you probably wont find any history book used in schools teaching about black soldiers who happily, willingly served the confedracy...yet that is true and they existed, entire regiments as I understand. Revisionists remove such items. Also you wont find much teaching of the facts pertaining to the roman catholic church butchering of millions during the dark ages...but that is also true and a fact.
For me give me the facts no matter how ugly, and the Scriptures no matter how convicting of the soul.
On this note I must say I dont hold much with 'revisionist' history either.
I would characterize it more along the line of reviewing and revising history to be politically correct, more acceptable to special interest groups etc etc...NOT more accurate.
Screw all that...just the facts please.
Examples...you probably wont find any history book used in schools teaching about black soldiers who happily, willingly served the confedracy...yet that is true and they existed, entire regiments as I understand. Revisionists remove such items. Also you wont find much teaching of the facts pertaining to the roman catholic church butchering of millions during the dark ages...but that is also true and a fact.
For me give me the facts no matter how ugly, and the Scriptures no matter how convicting of the soul.
while i do agree there are groups that revise history to fit their beliefs and social decorum of the time, for the most part, expecially in higher learning schools, ie universities etc, the books contain such items. For example, it is my understanding our relgion study department has an intire class offered describing the roman catholic church's rise to power, including the dark ages. those revisionists that remove such items do exist, and are usually discredited by those learned in such matters. i spoke of the non biased books that are published when new knowledge with factual basis is published, and perhaps explain a part of the history that was somewhat fuzzy, or skimmed over because of the implications of previous historians, ie the trail of tears did not appear in books intil a great deal of time after, as american historians omitted it as it put america in a bad light, rightfully so.
but on the topic of revisionists that u spoke of, who is to say the compilers of the bible did not do the same? :confused:
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
Yes, who is to say.
We are back to the test again.Live it, it either is true or it isnt.
If I gave you an example of one of my experiences would that convince you?? Probably not.
Only by your own study, life experience, testing etc will you become convinced that the Bible is a factual Book, not a story book of fables.
In addition, accurate timeline of earths history is given in the Bible. Dan 2 for exmple. The evidences of prophecys should serve as some proof. But still your own experience will be the cincher.
or that its false
Val for President
or that its false
yea i figured but you used the word "you" in a general statement saying that anyone would find it true
Val for President
whatever dude you have to be one of the smartest/dumbest people on here, you talk like your an expert on everything... a christian man searching for more answers outside of the bible must be the work of the devil b/c who would of thought there are ancient text older than the bible."Higher enlightenment"?? That would would make me burst out laughing if it werent so sadly ridiclulous. Mr Tabor has enlightenment or insights the Creator of Universe doesnt have??? Right.
In order to fully appreciate the Bible truths one first would require a personal knowlege of the God who authored them.
The validity of Scripture isnt an issue for many because they have experienced its TRUTH and POWER. They have also seen its prophecys come true exactly to the letter. For those that havent experienced this all is probably confusing especially when learned men such as Mr Tabor add their conjectures further clouding the fog these poor souls are left in without a knowlege of God.
"If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed; and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" John 8:31,32
How true...not only free from the penalty of sin BUT free from confusion and false 'enlightenment'
hey open up your bible you have so much faith in and tell me the copyright date.... ok. :jerkit:
oh and please explain your "prophecys come true exactly to the letter" that can be proven more than your book or your warped idea of what is true.
there's a site that lists them all, but I don't remember where. Too much to list off the top of my head. I'll see if I can find it.
Like I always say...study for yourself. You can start with Daniel 2. There are many others. Both the prophecy and answers are given. Of course you
will need to know a bit of history.
Also, why mock the knowlege (or lack of it)of others when you yourself are the one asking many questions you obviously dont know the answer to?
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