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    Red face the idea of money is crazy

    Has anyone ever thought about how money works? Billions of people get up, put aside majority of their day, and practically do away with their freedom for it. What keeps money so important? Like what makes it so valuable that you can trade it for anything?
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    You get up and howl about America and democracy,
    There is no America, there is no democracy,
    We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies,
    The world is a college of corporations,
    Inexorably determined by the immutable bylaws of business,
    The world is a business.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ssonsk View Post
    What keeps money so important? Like what makes it so valuable that you can trade it for anything?
    An idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssonsk View Post
    Has anyone ever thought about how money works? Billions of people get up, put aside majority of their day, and practically do away with their freedom for it. What keeps money so important? Like what makes it so valuable that you can trade it for anything?
    Quit trying to see over the fence, slave.

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    What fence? Lol. Money isn't some secret concept. They teach you what it is in high school

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    Money is nothing more than a representation of your time, and what your time is worth. What other system would take it's place?

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    It's simply a medium that makes bartering easier. Don't think a piece of paper is what makes people get up everyday and go to work because it's not. Everyone would still be slaving away if money didn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
    It's simply a medium that makes bartering easier. Don't think a piece of paper is what makes people get up everyday and go to work because it's not. Everyone would still be slaving away if money didn't exist.
    It's only slaving when the currency is controlled by a ruling authority. It's not slaving for me to trade you two hours of work for a pair of shoes that you made. It's slaving for me to have to pay someone a currency that they created just to exist in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bu villain View Post
    It's simply a medium that makes bartering easier. Don't think a piece of paper is what makes people get up everyday and go to work because it's not. Everyone would still be slaving away if money didn't exist.
    True... but unfortunately its value and what it thinks your 'time and labor' is 'worth' is determined by someone else.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    What fence? Lol. Money isn't some secret concept. They teach you what it is in high school
    metaphors are too complex for your simple mind to understand. Run along child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ISAtlanta300 View Post
    True... but unfortunately its value and what it thinks your 'time and labor' is 'worth' is determined by someone else.....
    I agree and disagree with this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ISAtlanta300 View Post
    True... but unfortunately its value and what it thinks your 'time and labor' is 'worth' is determined by someone else.....
    When you get up in the morning and do whatever you do for a paycheck for 8 hrs, you've decided that your time is worth exactly what you've made in that 8 hrs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    metaphors are too complex for your simple mind to understand. Run along child.
    I've seen more complex metaphors on truck stop bathroom stalls. Don't give yourself too much credit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    I've seen more complex metaphors on truck stop bathroom stalls. Don't give yourself too much credit.
    I didnt say i threw the ball high, just noted that it went over your head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    I didnt say i threw the ball high, just noted that it went over your head.
    If you say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    When you get up in the morning and do whatever you do for a paycheck for 8 hrs, you've decided that your time is worth exactly what you've made in that 8 hrs.
    Or 24 hours at a time in my case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacon View Post
    Or 24 hours at a time in my case.

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    Fuck all that. Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Fuck all that. Lol.
    I wouldnt trade it for any career in the world with any amount of money.

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    You get a certain number of days on, then days off right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echonova View Post
    I agree and disagree with this...
    i agree to disagree

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotsman View Post
    i agree to disagree
    I disagree with your agreement to agree to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    You get a certain number of days on, then days off right?
    24 on and 48 off. Extra shifts here and there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacon View Post
    24 on and 48 off. Extra shifts here and there.

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    Well that doesn't seem so bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Well that doesn't seem so bad.
    It's not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echonova View Post
    I disagree with your agreement to agree to disagree.
    I agree with your statement of disagreeing to agree with your agreement to disagree. Agreed?

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    Money just represents an object of value for trading goods and services. We don't workfor money we work for goods and services we want to acquire .

    Money makes it more efficient to trade that's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    Money just represents an object of value for trading goods and services. We don't workfor money we work for goods and services we want to acquire .

    Money makes it more efficient to trade that's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    Money just represents an object of value for trading goods and services. We don't workfor money we work for goods and services we want to acquire .

    Money makes it more efficient to trade that's all.
    Are any of these goods and services overvalued?

    Are we forced to purchase any of these goods and services?

    For the goods and services we are forced to purchase, is the created currency the only method in which we are allowed to pay for them?

    Does the group responsible for creating the currency, that also forces you to pay for a service using only that same currency, give the same prices for the same goods and services to the everyone?

    Does the group responsible for creating the currency charge you the currency for things you need to survive, yet that they do not own?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    Are any of these goods and services overvalued?

    Are we forced to purchase any of these goods and services?

    For the goods and services we are forced to purchase, is the created currency the only method in which we are allowed to pay for them?

    Does the group responsible for creating the currency, that also forces you to pay for a service using only that same currency, give the same prices for the same goods and services to the everyone?

    Does the group responsible for creating the currency charge you the currency for things you need to survive, yet that they do not own?
    I never said it wasnt manipulated or being undermined

    The OP stated "What keeps money so important? Like what makes it so valuable that you can trade it for anything?

    I was merely explaining that we dont work for MONEY per se, We work to be able to exchange labor or time for goods and services. Money merely makes it easier to trade. 500 years ago we didnt use money, we bartered. Ill trade you a goat for 3 chickens, 2 oz of gold for a house, etc. The problem was that without a universal currency, different areas, dialects, cultures had a problem trading. A goat is worth more to a farmer than a city dweller. Money merely made a currency that was accepted (post civil war actually) as a trading vehicle. It had universal value to it.

    It allowed the globalization of economies as well.

    For a long time money was tied to the Gold Standard, when we went off that is when the true monetary policy and manipulation took hold. However it has been going on for a long time. IIRC it was Hamilton who eradicated the central bank, but then the FED RESERVE was formed in the early 1900s and we have been kinda screwed since then.

    There is a slight conspiracy slant to this, look past it, but most of the information is correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    I never said it wasnt manipulated or being undermined

    The OP stated "What keeps money so important? Like what makes it so valuable that you can trade it for anything?

    I was merely explaining that we dont work for MONEY per se, We work to be able to exchange labor or time for goods and services. Money merely makes it easier to trade. 500 years ago we didnt use money, we bartered. Ill trade you a goat for 3 chickens, 2 oz of gold for a house, etc. The problem was that without a universal currency, different areas, dialects, cultures had a problem trading. A goat is worth more to a farmer than a city dweller. Money merely made a currency that was accepted (post civil war actually) as a trading vehicle. It had universal value to it.

    It allowed the globalization of economies as well.

    For a long time money was tied to the Gold Standard, when we went off that is when the true monetary policy and manipulation took hold. However it has been going on for a long time. IIRC it was Hamilton who eradicated the central bank, but then the FED RESERVE was formed in the early 1900s and we have been kinda screwed since then.

    There is a slight conspiracy slant to this, look past it, but most of the information is correct.

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    Just making conversation is all.

    My answer to "what keeps money so important?" is simple, the government designed it that way. Participating in this currency system is not optional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    Just making conversation is all.

    My answer to "what keeps money so important?" is simple, the government designed it that way. Participating in this currency system is not optional.
    It is optional. You can still barter if you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    It is optional. You can still barter if you want.
    It's not optional. Everyone is required to participate in the monetary system. As the saying goes... "only two things are certain, death and taxes"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    It's not optional. Everyone is required to participate in the monetary system. As the saying goes... "only two things are certain, death and taxes"
    Don't make any money, barter for everything, live on a reservation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Don't make any money, barter for everything, live on a reservation.
    If i moved to land that i owned and built a home with nothing but materials gathered and fed myself with only the food i gathered, i would still have to pay property taxes, hunting license, fishing license...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    If i moved to land that i owned and built a home with nothing but materials gathered and fed myself with only the food i gathered, i would still have to pay property taxes, hunting license, fishing license...
    You don't need a license to hunt on your own property.

    Money isn't a government conspiracy. It's been around for thousands and thousands of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post

    Money wasnt always a government conspiracy. It's been around for thousands and thousands of years.
    Fixed.

    Money, as we know it now, is manipulated , and is used well outside the way our system was ever designed.

    QE, Fractional Reserve Banking prove this
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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    You don't need a license to hunt on your own property.

    Money isn't a government conspiracy. It's been around for thousands and thousands of years.
    The way our money is handled and manipulated is very much a government conspiracy. Look no further than the word's of presidents themselves to find proof. The government needs you to need them. As long as theyre the middle man for all monetary transactions, they have power over everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post

    Money isn't a government conspiracy. It's been around for thousands and thousands of years.
    Then why do we need a Federal Reserve? Why does the govt inject fake money to avert crisis?

    Strictly speaking, money should only be available based upon what is in circulation, but that is not what happens. Banks leverage 80 times what they have on deposit. The FED has injected trillions of dollars that the printed out of thin air. This is not sound monetary policy, and it never has been.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    Fixed.

    Money, as we know it now, is manipulated , and is used well outside the way our system was ever designed.

    QE, Fractional Reserve Banking prove this
    Fractional reserve banking proves that money is a government conspiracy? Lol

    FRB existed well before government monetary institutions. I don't get how you think one proves the other, explain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    Then why do we need a Federal Reserve? Why does the govt inject fake money to avert crisis?

    Strictly speaking, money should only be available based upon what is in circulation, but that is not what happens. Banks leverage 80 times what they have on deposit. The FED has injected trillions of dollars that the printed out of thin air. This is not sound monetary policy, and it never has been.
    Expansionary monetary policy has been happening for YEARS, how is it all of the sudden not sound monetary policy?

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