NEW GUN LAWS PASSED!

[patrick4588]

in states where the numbers are tracked; as a whole, licensed gun owners have a lower crime rate than police officers do. there is always an exception and yes someone with a license may murder someone; but that doesnt mean that the other 300-400,000 license holders shouldnt be allowed to defend themselves at certain places. There are EXPONENTIALLY more self defense cases where a licensed individual has protected himself than murdered someone.

[Truegiant]

This thread has some serious fucking morons in it.

[TIGERJC]

This thread has some serious fucking morons in it.

happened when you posted in here

[Truegiant]

happened when you posted in here

You have no fucking clue.

[patrick4588]

^^^^ Your statements are based on irrational if statements. Someone may snap and shit happens, however that is a very rare case compared to how many times a firearm will be used for self defense. If 1 person gets killed by citizens carrying, but even 2 get saved; then it was for the better good. Statistically speaking, about 2 million self defense cases occur a year from law abiding gun toters. Not all of those were shootings, but just merely presenting the gun is enough to stop an attack.

You should probably move out of the USA if you believe we should have a stricter government with more power; this country is built on personal liberties, rights, and freedom. I just cant fathom why you would want the government to have more control? I think someone should read 1984.

[SPOOLIN]

I train to use my weapon ...my parents wooded property, a piece of plywood and some wal-mart target sheets. I'm going to be accurate with my gun if some ass fuck tries to threaten my life, jack me at a redlight, or fuck with me walking somewhere. I keep a larger one IN the car.

[ISAtlanta300]

I train to use my weapon ...my parents wooded property, a piece of plywood and some wal-mart target sheets. I'm going to be accurate with my gun if some ass fuck tries to threaten my life, jack me at a redlight, or fuck with me walking somewhere. I keep a larger one IN the car.

And I applaud that.

[Tech5]

i carry 24/7

[SPOOLIN]

i carry 24/7

in my car i do....but im looking for a small .32 or something for a carry weapon.

I wouldn't present my weapon if they were unarmed unless they are a shit ton bigger than me cause i weight 140

[ISAtlanta300]

in my car i do....but im looking for a small .32 or something for a carry weapon.

I wouldn't present my weapon if they were unarmed unless they are a shit ton bigger than me cause i weight 140

Same here... would love to have something nice and small to carry..... though I have been eyeing one of Jaime's guns for sale....

[patrick4588]

in my car i do....but im looking for a small .32 or something for a carry weapon.

why are you wanting something small for a carry weapon? there are plenty of small frame guns in a powerful caliber.

[Elbow]

You all are seriously lacking in reading comprehension, half of what I'm saying is speaking of people who pull it out, show it, etc when they don't need to. That causes more issues and in extreme cases a real shooting.

I'm done in here none of you all are understanding.

[patrick4588]

People should take the responsibility to train on their own, it should not be a requirement. I think MOST people understand how dangerous anything can be if used improperly. Should we make buying batteries illegal without proper training on them too? How about steak knives? Anything with an electrical outlet. There are dangers to everything. I would say most people who carry a gun daily do a lot of training and practice with that firearm. You are worried about ppl carrying guns, how about the people out there driving cars. Car accidents kill more people than anything in this country. You take one stupid little test and then you can drive anywhere as you please. How about push for higher levels of training for driving and actually save some lives? Have you ever taken a "qualifications" test in other states required for your gun license? It's a joke. It is just a way for the state to make some more revenue. If we enact a law saying you need training, who gets to say how much? Who teaches these classes? How much will it cost? All of these things are the problems with the so called training requirement. I do not think i should have to take a class to be able to defend myself and my family. And just because it hasnt happened to you yet, doesnt mean it wont. I honestly hope it wont happen, but it happens to ordinary citizens like me and you everyday. Literally Everyday. I havent had cancer and ive been alive 22 years; maybe i should call the cancer research folks and tell them what they are doing is pointless since it hasnt happened to me....

[NY_TIPP]

I got to get out of GA!!!! As soon as I get out of school my familiy and I are out of here.....guns on a college campus???? This is a new low....why would a gun be needed on a college campus? Why do campus police get paid? I understand that alot of college kids are getting robbed, but carrying a gun might not help. A robbery is a crime of opprunity......if someone gets caught slipping all that going to happen is that a legal gun will get stolen and used for more crimes........bad idea......I have lived in a few different states.....by far this is the most dangerous I have seen, and with this new bill this place will go the hell in a handbasket if it's not already there.

[Jaimecbr900]

I got to get out of GA!!!! As soon as I get out of school my familiy and I are out of here.....guns on a college campus????

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. 32 and still in college should be a larger concern.

This is a new low....why would a gun be needed on a college campus?

Umm, the same reason a gun is needed anywhere else, for self-defense.

Why do campus police get paid?

99.9% of the time campus police RESPOND to calls. When was the last time you know about any campus police "foil" or "stop" any crime in progress? They spend most of their time picking up drunk 19 yr olds off the curb and arresting their buddies for pissing in the bushes right behind him. Tell you what, why don't you leave your front door wide open tonight? Why not? After all, what do police get paid for? If people like you trust so much in Police "protecting" them from crime, then leave your front doors wide open then. After all, they are omnipotent. They are everywhere all the time, especially when criminals are around.

I understand that alot of college kids are getting robbed, but carrying a gun might not help. A robbery is a crime of opprunity......if someone gets caught slipping all that going to happen is that a legal gun will get stolen and used for more crimes........bad idea......

What is opprunity any way?

Anyway, it's obvious that you have no grasp on the concepts of self-relliance nor crime deterrent factors. You also don't realize that the majority of "illegal" guns that criminals use come from home and business burglaries. Criminals pick their prey by choosing the low hanging fruit and opportunity. But if they THINK that they may be encountered by someone who will shoot back, they pass that target up. See how that works?

I have lived in a few different states.....by far this is the most dangerous I have seen, and with this new bill this place will go the hell in a handbasket if it's not already there.

What states have you lived in?

[NY_TIPP]

Since you assume that I go to college...know before you type I'm going to construction school to operate heavy equipment dummy.......Second, the word is opportunity, I had to make that point clear since you want to be anal about it......Third, when have college campuses become a hang-out for street thugs? And my last point, Im from NY, went to college in Baltimore, lived in FL,VA and now in GA. So what went down with Vernon Forrest? He had a burner, and he still got killed. Just because you got a gun dont mean you cant be marked for prey. If you get a gun drawn on you, I dare you to reach for your legal gun.....you will be one DEAD DUMMY.....Dont worry...as soon as I get out of operator school I will be out of this place and leave it to folks like you who want to make this like the Wild West JaimeCBR900. The only thing that I can agree with you on is that the police out here are not worth shit.....they wait for crime to happen then react, instead of thinking of tactics to deter crime. I am not saying not to bear arms, but not where people are trying to get an education.

[WickedIXMR]

Since you assume that I go to college...know before you type I'm going to construction school to operate heavy equipment dummy.......Second, the word is opportunity, I had to make that point clear since you want to be anal about it......Third, when have college campuses become a hang-out for street thugs? And my last point, Im from NY, went to college in Baltimore, lived in FL,VA and now in GA. So what went down with Vernon Forrest? He had a burner, and he still got killed. Just because you got a gun dont mean you cant be marked for prey. If you get a gun drawn on you, I dare you to reach for your legal gun.....you will be one DEAD DUMMY.....Dont worry...as soon as I get out of operator school I will be out of this place and leave it to folks like you who want to make this like the Wild West JaimeCBR900. The only thing that I can agree with you on is that the police out here are not worth shit.....they wait for crime to happen then react, instead of thinking of tactics to deter crime. I am not saying not to bear arms, but not where people are trying to get an education.

Dummy? Lol, what are you, a 32 year old virgin? Who the fuck uses that word? Looks like you should try and get an education in English while you're at it.

[NY_TIPP]

Dummy? Lol, what are you, a 32 year old virgin? Who the fuck uses that word? Looks like you should try and get an education in English while you're at it.

This is a grown man debate...if you dont have anything relavant to say go fuck your cousin like the country ass farmer that you are. GTFO. I am just trying to see where folks heads are at concerning this bill....just talk nothing else....please no irrelavant B.S.

[patrick4588]

i want to get an education, not get shot. Since you live here im sure you have heard of all the violent gun crime on Georgia Tech this year? Gun free zones are victim rich zones. They know students will be disarmed and make for easy targets. Columbine happened - gun free zone. Virginia Tech - gun free zone. even the three school shootings this year in TN and AL were all gun free zones. You are ignorant. You dont want to carry a gun, fine. I dont care. Dont try to tell me i cant though; my self defense is my business. One thing you did get right though, having a gun doesnt mean you wont get shot or killed. This is nothing like the wild west, but i refuse to let myself or my family become a victim statistic. Ill do everything i can to protect them, and that includes places outside my home. If you agree the police only show up to clean up the after affects, who is left to stop or deter a murder/robbery/rape? Only the victim. And the best way to defend yourself from someone with a gun; equal or greater firepower.

[NY_TIPP]

i want to get an education, not get shot. Since you live here im sure you have heard of all the violent gun crime on Georgia Tech this year? Gun free zones are victim rich zones. They know students will be disarmed and make for easy targets. Columbine happened - gun free zone. Virginia Tech - gun free zone. even the three school shootings this year in TN and AL were all gun free zones. You are ignorant. You dont want to carry a gun, fine. I dont care. Dont try to tell me i cant though; my self defense is my business. One thing you did get right though, having a gun doesnt mean you wont get shot or killed. This is nothing like the wild west, but i refuse to let myself or my family become a victim statistic. Ill do everything i can to protect them, and that includes places outside my home. If you agree the police only show up to clean up the after affects, who is left to stop or deter a murder/robbery/rape? Only the victim. And the best way to defend yourself from someone with a gun; equal or greater firepower.

Why do I have to be ignorant? I know all about protecting my fam, I never said guns should not be carried by law following people, I do have a problem with guns on college campuses, churches, bars and airports. That's just crazy, yeah you do have isolated instances where things happen, its on the police to step up to the security at colleges, make them earn their pay. As it stands now, campus police are nothing more than glorified security guards,have them conduct themselves like real police and it might help. I am all for carrying a gun for protection, shit I got a couple myself, but I don't think guns and schools should go together. Have you ever been in a crowded student union? I am uncomfortable with a gun being fired in crowded place full of young people. Off campus 2nd amendment to the fullest. Because if I send my daughter to a school, and she get shot by accident while on campus, I will try to kill the person responsible law abiding or not. And if I am not mistaken one of those GA Tech robberies was a situation where the robbers acted like would be renters, how can you see that coming?

[patrick4588]

this is all within about the last year on Georgia Tech
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...6095ca2430d142

since the map has a few things left off, you can also look at this for crimes in the gun free zones. seems to work really well!!!!
http://georgiapacking.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=47

on Apr 25.... quoted...

ATLANTA -- Police are investigating another crime near Georgia Tech's campus. It's the fourth robbery near the campus in one week

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/23259334/detail.html

[patrick4588]

you just said yourself the police are useless, and you couldnt see the attack coming. more reason to be prepared. Ever been in a crowded walmart? Nothing different from carrying there. People dont just start shooting randomly. Location has nothing to do with a persons sanity. If you are licensed to carry a gun, where you carry shouldnt matter. There are no imaginary forcefields on property lines that make ppl any less level headed/responsible. These gun free zones simply disarm people like me and leave criminals with the guns. What society would possibly want to take guns away from the good guys and leave the bad guys with them?


Dekalb has 83 School Resource Officers for 99,000 students.
Gwinnett has 22 School Resource Officers for 160,000 students.

The reports for the 2009-10 school year, which include August to February and exclude October, show SROs found 104 weapons on campuses and dealt with 348 assaults, 259 thefts and 63 burglaries.

SRO's estimate thieves stole $374,383 worth of school property, and, the report shows officers arrested 1,037 juveniles and adults, both during and after school.

and thats just over 6 months.

[NY_TIPP]

you just said yourself the police are useless, and you couldnt see the attack coming. more reason to be prepared. Ever been in a crowded walmart? Nothing different from carrying there. People dont just start shooting randomly. Location has nothing to do with a persons sanity. If you are licensed to carry a gun, where you carry shouldnt matter. There are no imaginary forcefields on property lines that make ppl any less level headed/responsible. These gun free zones simply disarm people like me and leave criminals with the guns. What society would possibly want to take guns away from the good guys and leave the bad guys with them?


Dekalb has 83 School Resource Officers for 99,000 students.
Gwinnett has 22 School Resource Officers for 160,000 students.


and thats just over 6 months.

You got a great point, I know how it is to be a college student and be in a town where crime is a serious problem. With that said my concern with the guns/college issue is the chance some dude in college, will show off his brand new .40 cal and one of his pals runs his mouth and next thing you know it either gets stolen or used for reasons other than personal protection. I just want to be sure that guns get into the hands of responsible people. Those mumbers are staggering you put up though I must admit.

[patrick4588]

You got a great point, I know how it is to be a college student and be in a town where crime is a serious problem. With that said my concern with the guns/college issue is the chance some dude in college, will show off his brand new .40 cal and one of his pals runs his mouth and next thing you know it either gets stolen or used for reasons other than personal protection. I just want to be sure that guns get into the hands of responsible people. Those mumbers are staggering you put up though I must admit.

why does it matter if s/he is a college student? These laws have nothing to do with students buying guns. It affects ppl like me who have a firearms license and carry everyday; except on campus because i risk a felony and 10yr imprisonment to protect myself. Allowing GFL holders to carry on campus would affect less than 5% of college students. It wouldnt just hand out pistols to everyone. What about the 30yr olds going back to school? or just a 50yr old decidng to further his or her education? These ppl are disarmed too. Ever been to college parties? Most are not on campus so the "everyone will get drunk and shoot each other" is a mute point. There are guns in most households where parties take place anyway, and nobody gets drunk and starts shooting ppl. These stupid laws just disarm ppl like me who want to protect themselves and put me in harms way. Its very frustrating to have my government tell me where my life is important and where i am allowed to protect myself, while they are exempt from these laws and can carry where they want. Most even walk around with security. There are many states who have laws where students properly licensed can carry on campus. No issues. Where students cant carry we have shootings and mass murders. I fail to comprehend how people cant put the pieces together. Criminals are cowards and dont want to face opposition. If their prey could be armed, they wont chance it. Just how most school shootings have the shooter kill themselves once the police arrive. If students were armed, a lot of lives could have been saved at virginia tech.

[NY_TIPP]

why does it matter if s/he is a college student? These laws have nothing to do with students buying guns. It affects ppl like me who have a firearms license and carry everyday; except on campus because i risk a felony and 10yr imprisonment to protect myself. Allowing GFL holders to carry on campus would affect less than 5% of college students. It wouldnt just hand out pistols to everyone. What about the 30yr olds going back to school? or just a 50yr old decidng to further his or her education? These ppl are disarmed too. Ever been to college parties? Most are not on campus so the "everyone will get drunk and shoot each other" is a mute point. There are guns in most households where parties take place anyway, and nobody gets drunk and starts shooting ppl. These stupid laws just disarm ppl like me who want to protect themselves and put me in harms way. Its very frustrating to have my government tell me where my life is important and where i am allowed to protect myself, while they are exempt from these laws and can carry where they want. Most even walk around with security. There are many states who have laws where students properly licensed can carry on campus. No issues. Where students cant carry we have shootings and mass murders. I fail to comprehend how people cant put the pieces together. Criminals are cowards and dont want to face opposition. If their prey could be armed, they wont chance it. Just how most school shootings have the shooter kill themselves once the police arrive. If students were armed, a lot of lives could have been saved at virginia tech.

I hear your point and now I might have to agree....you are so right that these criminals are coward punks, if they thought for a second that the college student they were about to rob was armed it might change their mind because they want easy prey, so I can now understand your point

[patrick4588]

signed into law yesterday. time to OC and have a beer.