Ok, you haven't even listened to one word I said, and if you had, you would realize the grave error that you are in. I have read all of your arguments before, and the saints and doctors of the church have dealt with them by Protestants for 500 years, so it is nothing new to us. You are contradicting yourself, and you are working against the law of non-contradiction, and you fail to see it when it is staring you blindly in the face.
1) I never said Christ wasn't the head of the Church, I said Peter was Christ's representative, his visible head of the church on earth, not the church triumphant, there is a difference. And yes, there is power given, "I give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven, whatsoever thou shalt bind...etc." You can't convince me otherwise, it is obvious you do not understand Matthew 16, otherwise you would not be saying these contradictory things, Christ gave them the power to bind and loose, it is so clear it is amazing to me you would say otherwise. Quoting Matthew at the end of your first paragraph goes against nothing I said, nor contradicts the Catholic faith, all priests speak only with the authority given to them by Jesus Christ and their apostolic succession, no good priest would claim otherwise. So your first argument is now rendered void.
2) Like I have said before, you are ignoring my previous arguments. There is only one true faith, and it is not based on an individuals personal interpretation of what Christianity or the Bible says. No where in the bible does it say that the bible is the sole authority of Christianity, this is the second time I have said this. You have yet again failed to realize that the Catholic Church put the canon of scripture together, which I have mentioned three times before but you have chosen to ignore every time I have said it, which really shows me that you do not want to hear the truth about your false Protestant sect because it means you would have to take up your cross. Since St. Paul tells us in 2 Thess 2:14 "Hold fast to the traditions which you were taught, either by word of mouth or by letter." What traditions is St. Paul telling us to hold to? Obviously there is sacred traditions which were taught since scripture would not even be codified until 400 years after St. Paul wrote this. The traditions are the priesthood, the sacraments, the liturgy, and other teachings which are not mentioned in scripture, any other interpretation is false. You cannot look at scripture in a vacuum geoff.
3) Yeah, work out your salvation with fear and trembling, that's right, but that doesn't say anywhere reject the traditions handed down to you from the apostles does it? Nope. Neither does it say all you have to do is read the bible and you'll go to heaven does it? Nope. And it doesn't say that just talking to Jesus in prayer is good enough either, you have to do what the church commands because your salvation depends on it, and scripture is just one part of the sacredness of the faith, it is not the whole faith.
4)Um yes, you do. A priest being a pedophile in private has absolutely zero to do with the teachings of the church, the Church has always and will always teach that pedophilia is wrong, but unfortunately we have some bad men in the church, just like in every religion. The teachings are pure, the men in it are not, if you expect every man in the Catholic Church to be perfect then you do not understand Christianity at all. Work out your salvation with fear and trembling, just like you quoted. Doctrine is eternal, men are subject to change, but Christ promised the gates of Hell would not prevail against the church, meaning, its doctrine will always be preserved from error even those its members may be sinners. Is that hard for you to understand?
5) That's right, one mediator between God and Man, Jesus Christ, who we are all members of. You don't think the saints in heaven are members of the Body of Christ? They are in heaven, they are baptized, they are members of the body of Christ, therefore the can mediate because they are supernaturally a part of Jesus Christ. That is simple theology. The true doctrine of Christ lies not only in scripture, but also in tradition just as scripture affirms. The Catholic Church put scripture together, what did the church do for 400 years before the Bible? Obviously it existed with the traditions and letters written to the churches which different bishops and priests founded. History affirms this so many times it is unbelievable to me that you deny it, see, this is why I do not understand Protestants, it is about picking and choosing what is to be believed instead of embracing everything in its proper context, history, tradition, scripture, it all points to one place, the Catholic Church, any other view is from Satan.
6) Actually Christ did tell the apostles to forgive sins: John 21 "He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. 22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. 23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained." Yeah, there Our Lord said it, so Yes, Yes, and Yes. He gave them the authority. If Christ did not want them to forgive sins by hearing confessions he would never have done this. So what you said in paragraph six about that being the only truth in the Bible is absurd, why do you keep placing the Bible above history and tradition, they must work together in order to understand the context of the true faith. Sola Scriptura is a dead and evil belief, why do you cling to it?
No one in the Catholic Church who is sane would ever call themselves Christ, to do so would be the height of blasphemy. You're right many false prophets shall arise, claiming that the Bible is the only authority of Christianity, which you are doing, and which scripture itself speaks against.
One Faith, that's right, not 35,000+ different Protestant sects, not to mention those sitting in their houses trying to interpret scripture for themselves because they are "non-denominational," all claiming to hold the truth when they cannot historically or traditionally trace their lineage or documents back to the first apostles as the Catholic faith has done for thousands of years with the sacraments, priesthood and authority given to it by Christ.




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