I had a thought bout the Bible

[JDM onlyy]

btw not sure if you guys have seen these vids,
but here it is... Richard Dawkins Interviews Creationist Wendy Wright http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFjoEgYOgRo

she's such a creepy belly button licking cunt

You know, I just remembered, if people had listen to the church and never contested them, we wouldn't have the modern day medicine and women wouldn't have rights.

I think it was illegal back in medieval times to open up a dead human and there was no science of anatomy then. But look at how that SCIENCE has saved millions of lives.

[BallerDave04]

I think it was illegal back in medieval times to open up a dead human and there was no science of anatomy then. But look at how that SCIENCE has saved millions of lives.

Science doesn't have to fix anything. If you would have faith that God is your healer you wouldn't have to worry about sicknesses.

If we would never had turned away from The Holy Spirit then we wouldn't have sicknesses or diseases. Yeshua died on the cross from our healing. Did you know that when Yeshua was flogged that He was hit 39 times? Do you know that there are 39 root causes for all sicknesses and diseases? Is it just a coincidence? God is intentional with everything He does.

I know beyond a doubt that healing is real and have seen it within my life and the lives of people around me. One of my best friends had HIV for 5 years. 2 years ago he had an encounter with Jehovah-Rapha and no longer has it anymore. What has God done in your lives?

[bodhi]

Science doesn't have to fix anything. If you would have faith that God is your healer you wouldn't have to worry about sicknesses.

If we would never had turned away from The Holy Spirit then we wouldn't have sicknesses or diseases. Yeshua died on the cross from our healing. Did you know that when Yeshua was flogged that He was hit 39 times? Do you know that there are 39 root causes for all sicknesses and diseases? Is it just a coincidence? God is intentional with everything He does.

I know beyond a doubt that healing is real and have seen it within my life and the lives of people around me. One of my best friends had HIV for 5 years. 2 years ago he had an encounter with Jehovah-Rapha and no longer has it anymore. What has God done in your lives?

srsly, brooo...

doctor manhattan thinks you're relatively lame


i don't know or care about your friends fake HIV shit, and how he was cured by some fake ass god shit
but i have a similar point in my dissertation, it's summed up more succinctly...

it goes a lil sumpthin like this: "religion is a retarded pile of bullshit used to manipulate gullible people. the end...."

[BallerDave04]

"religion is a retarded pile of bullshit used to manipulate gullible people. the end...."

You are correct sir. The way different religions use Biblical translations to manipulate people is terrible. Religion is man made and shouldn't be followed.

Spiritualism on the other hand is different. I don't claim any one religion. The word Christian means "Christ follower." You should be led by The Spirit, not by a person.

[JDM onlyy]

If you would have faith that God is your healer you wouldn't have to worry about sicknesses.

Let me know how that works out when you catch the flu, pneumonia, or HIV yourself or something.

[geoff]

you know what bohdi i guess i am pretty closeminded, i believe in One God, One Faith, One way, One truth, Holiness, Holy Spirit, and the name of my God is Jesus! nothing on this earth can convince me otherwise. not your shakey scientific facts, not studies, not proof nor evidence because my God goes beyond what our minds can comprehend. i went to church this morning and had a good one on one with my Lord. keep trying buddy cuz i know my Lord is coming back soon and i have faith that i will be ready. one day soon enough all the tangible evidence you need with appear in the clouds. hope you can stand as tall then as you do now

[bodhi]

you know what bohdi i guess i am pretty closeminded, i believe in One God, One Faith, One way, One truth, Holiness, Holy Spirit, and the name of my God is Jesus! nothing on this earth can convince me otherwise. not your shakey scientific facts, not studies, not proof nor evidence because my God goes beyond what our minds can comprehend. i went to church this morning and had a good one on one with my Lord. keep trying buddy cuz i know my Lord is coming back soon and i have faith that i will be ready. one day soon enough all the tangible evidence you need with appear in the clouds. hope you can stand as tall then as you do now

i stand 6 feet tall now, and will be standing 6 feet tall when this "strange cloud phenomenon" occurs...

something that you may think is god, might actually be some extraterrestrial being with god-like powers.
it might have telekinesis and have the ability to talk to you directly through your mind, cure blindness, and heck it might be able to walk on water too


would you drop to your knees with tears in your eyes yelling "oh lawd - cum inside me please!!!" haha, dork

[Starrfire]

Not this shit again...

[BallerDave04]

It had to happen sometime. Go hit em with a little taste of the remix...

[geoff]

ballerdave- Hallelujah brother!!!! Man its good to hear what our God is doing. There is just something about praying the different names of Jesus isnt there? There is power, healing, and salvation in the Holy name of our Lord Jesus!!!!

[bodhi]

ballerdave- Hallelujah brother!!!! Man its good to hear what our God is doing. There is just something about praying the different names of Jesus isnt there? There is power, healing, and salvation in the Holy name of our Lord Jesus!!!!

haha you guys sound like a couple of goddamn amish fucks

[StreetHazard]

LOL

[geoff]

jdmonlyy- ballerdave makes a good point, you don't believe in this because you don't have the faith he does. Plain and simple stuff really, there are plenty of real documented cases out there of miracle healings.

[geoff]

+1 i love when you jump in. ladies and gentlemen this is a learned man

[quickdodge®]

+1 i love when you jump in. ladies and gentlemen this is a learned man

As if you've proven yourself to be a good judge of someone's charac.....oh I forgot. You're "Christian." Later, QD.

[Starrfire]

+1 i love when you jump in. ladies and gentlemen this is a learned man

A learned man of a book. What if I started spouted out of all the John Grisham books and all the other books I have. It wouldn't matter how much I knew about though since it's not true. (Well one of his is fiction). But it is a story, not all of them are true. Some are meant to instill morals, while other are accurate translations of what happened. The bible was supposed to be a guide to make people better but it also makes a lot of mindless christian zombies.

[sport_122]

A learned man of a book. What if I started spouted out of all the John Grisham books and all the other books I have. It wouldn't matter how much I knew about though since it's not true. (Well one of his is fiction). But it is a story, not all of them are true. Some are meant to instill morals, while other are accurate translations of what happened. The bible was supposed to be a guide to make people better but it also makes a lot of mindless christian zombies.

That is almost completely wrong. The Bible was not put together to make people better. The Bible was put together because the scattered groups of early Christians realized that there were people trying to influence the foundations of their doctrine. The assembled the books based on the eye witness accounts to the foundations of the church. The Bible is not there to teach people to be good....that is absolutely false. In fact the Bible teaches that people cannot be good. Some stories in scripture are written as parables, but the accounts are not.

the post talks about, um...
things, and things - and more things that serves NO PURPOSE TO YOUR CASE

i have studied shit about the bible and its origin (waste of a semester)
sure they have fucking authors - EVERY BOOK has to have an author, BUT, the things they talk about never happened - or maybe they did, but it was not done by some god; it was mostly done by natural phenomenon (like tunder storms, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, ect ect...)

youve said before that you went to college and studied religion, so im sure you already know that christianity is just a replica of past religions! like you stated...about the egyptians, and stories of sumerians... they played a part in the bibles birth

ppl back then WERE INFLUENCED by events and had no explanation for them, so they slapped that event with something god-like, and blamed god for when something bad happened, and praised god when something good happened -- then, they wrote it down (kept notes of these events) and eventually started combining all the stories till the bible came to be... PERIOD

Okay, so you took a class during a semester that taught you everything you need to know about the Bible. I'm calling you Short Bus from now on. You are in a discussion on something that you have no actual understanding of...way to go.

Bring your historical evidence to the table. thats my simple challenge to you. What you have stated is completely wrong. It doesn't demonstrate any knowledge or understand of the time period or the cultures that produced the individual texts that would become the Bible. Just about everything you say is absolutely false and is a product of years of liars and lazy googlers. People who just can't bring themselve to come to terms with what is written in scripture. You deny historical authenticity with ignorance. You have shown me that you know absolutely nothing about what you are saying, you only have some sort of emotional investment in this discussion, not a position grounded in any form of study or research. Thumbs up to you...the other bible-haters may think you are cool, but I know you ride the short bus on this topic.

Like i said before. You don't have to be a christian to know that the bible has its groundings and they are pretty solid. I've met people who have viewed the Bible as a historical reference and nothing more. Christians take that even further. We look at the accounts and "some of us" will use reasoning and our understanding of how people are to try to understand what was happening. For instance the resurrection of Christ...but thats a completely different thread...you can find my thoughts on that somewhere on here cause I'm not retyping all of that.

[bodhi]

Okay, so you took a class during a semester that taught you everything you need to know about the Bible. I'm calling you Short Bus from now on. You are in a discussion on something that you have no actual understanding of...way to go.

Bring your historical evidence to the table. thats my simple challenge to you. What you have stated is completely wrong. It doesn't demonstrate any knowledge or understand of the time period or the cultures that produced the individual texts that would become the Bible. Just about everything you say is absolutely false and is a product of years of liars and lazy googlers. People who just can't bring themselve to come to terms with what is written in scripture. You deny historical authenticity with ignorance. You have shown me that you know absolutely nothing about what you are saying, you only have some sort of emotional investment in this discussion, not a position grounded in any form of study or research. Thumbs up to you...the other bible-haters may think you are cool, but I know you ride the short bus on this topic.

Like i said before. You don't have to be a christian to know that the bible has its groundings and they are pretty solid. I've met people who have viewed the Bible as a historical reference and nothing more. Christians take that even further. We look at the accounts and "some of us" will use reasoning and our understanding of how people are to try to understand what was happening. For instance the resurrection of Christ...but thats a completely different thread...you can find my thoughts on that somewhere on here cause I'm not retyping all of that.

haha, that is a pile of fake intellectual bullshit that contradicts itself...

words, scriptures, and "science" aren't good enough to explain the real truth, but somehow you and your long winded wordy drivel is doing something really truthful
tards who arrogantly believe in magic never cease to amaze me.
do you belieeeve in maaaagic, a scooby dooby doo bop!


sooo, you think you have a point?? you don't...
like i said before you are just a fake intellectual who doesn't even know really what's going on in general, and like to pretend you're on some impressive trippy higher level of consciousness when really you're just a poser of average intelligence who doesn't know shit

if you ask me really nicely, i'll commit multi-quote assault on your post later tonight... with real facts, and all that other jazz

[5speed]

Another problem I recently came across is misplaced punctuation. While being misplaced, punctuation may change the sentence into saying something different. Therefore, contradictions in the Bible are made.

[geoff]

According to who? Thats a good question to ask.

[geoff]

Lets see your " real " facts buddy. BUT if you wants your " facts " to be considered I want you to first take on the task of disproving all the prophetic and archaeological evidences I provided in my other thread. Then you can go ahead and post your own facts. If you want a serious intellectual debate then don't just sit there and dismiss the evidence provided to you, take the time like a real intellectual and discuss it and explain your views. Don't be guilty of blindness like some on here, cough..QD..cough, and just close your eyes to the proofs as if no that mountain is not real it is just made up. Rise up to the challenge my friend.

[quickdodge®]

Don't be guilty of blindness like some on here, cough..QD..cough, and just close your eyes to the proofs

You have no proof, dummy. You need to open your eyes and see the world for what is and get out of that fantasy world where you think you're life is guided by some unknown, unproven entity and where you think you're a better human than I. You want to keep talking shit with me, I can certainly talk it back with you. And with my intellectual prowess, I'm quite sure you'll be made to look like the fool that you've exhibited yourself to look like so far. You're in for a real treat, stupid. Later, QD.

[5speed]

You have no proof, dummy. You need to open your eyes and see the world for what is and get out of that fantasy world where you think you're life is guided by some unknown, unproven entity and where you think you're a better human than I. You want to keep talking shit with me, I can certainly talk it back with you. And with me intellectual prowess, I'm quite sure you'll be made to look like the fool that you've exhibited yourself to look like so far. You're in for a real treat, stupid. Later, QD.

"my intellectual prowess".... hehehe

[quickdodge®]

"my intellectual prowess".... hehehe

Lolol. And of all phrases to fuck up in. Later, QD.

[5speed]

Lolol. And of all phrases to fuck up in. Later, QD.

I got a good laugh out of that one. I can't say much lately. lol

[bodhi]

Lets see your " real " facts buddy. BUT if you wants your " facts " to be considered I want you to first take on the task of disproving all the prophetic and archaeological evidences I provided in my other thread. Then you can go ahead and post your own facts. If you want a serious intellectual debate then don't just sit there and dismiss the evidence provided to you, take the time like a real intellectual and discuss it and explain your views. Don't be guilty of blindness like some on here, cough..QD..cough, and just close your eyes to the proofs as if no that mountain is not real it is just made up. Rise up to the challenge my friend.

fair enough, geoff

gimme a day or so, to thoroughly dissect your post... ok?

[bodhi]

you're silly QD

joo havent changed dude lol

[geoff]

I'm the fool? I don't believe I have looked like a fool by providing actual studies and evidences, maybe if I had your "intellectual prowess" I would make more sense and use correct grammar like you right? Like I said before buddy, if you want to be taken seriously in these threads than add some intellectual insight instead of your usual, " nananana booboo, your a dummy face and you not smart like me, I am iz god on this site" Come on brother, seriously? Your 39 and have experienced alot in your life, I expected better from you. I will help you out, if you want to have an intelligent conversation or debate with me you just need to follow these steps:
1. Pick a side, get off the proverbial fence of agnostic cowards and stick by your beliefs.
2. Do your research on both sides, faith an no faith, come up with YOUR OWN belief.
3. Do more research on the information available that supports your belief, and present it.

Honestly man I don't think I am better than you, I just think I know more of what I am talking about, and I back it up with examples of studies, research, and scripture. You want to know what a fool is? It's someone that gives their opinion and false information and acts like they know what they are talking about without even a remote foundation on which to back their claims. I don't personally have anything against you, but do you think you sound very intelligent by cussing me out? Grow up man, don't take things so personal.







Later, Geoff

[quickdodge®]

I'm the fool?

You sir, are correct.

I will help you out, if you want to have an intelligent conversation or debate with me you just need to follow these steps:

You, of all people, have no room to tell me how to engage in any form of conversation. But I'll indulge you:

1. Pick a side, get off the proverbial fence of agnostic cowards and stick by your beliefs.
2. Do your research on both sides, faith an no faith, come up with YOUR OWN belief.
3. Do more research on the information available that supports your belief, and present it.

1. Have you not yet learned how to understand what words mean when strung together to form correct sentences? I've told you multiple times what "side of the fence" I'm on. Just because you can't accept my position, you have to talk down to me like that? Fuck you.

2. Reread number one. All of it.

3. Hmmmm. Why did you just make options two and three the same thing? Reread number one. All of it.

You want to know what a fool is? It's someone that gives their opinion and false information and acts like they know what they are talking about without even a remote foundation on which to back their claims.

How in the fuck do YOU know that you're not giving out false information??? You always post in here about me or any of us "non-religious scientists" giving out false information as if you knew for a goddamn fact that what you preach is true to word. Who the fuck are you to say that you're fucking right on all this?? Because you have some YouTube videos to "support your claim?"

I don't personally have anything against you, but do you think you sound very intelligent by cussing me out? Grow up man, don't take things so personal.

Resorting back to you thinking you can offend me, huh? And how intelligent did you think you sounded when you said, "I will just be ignoring your nonsense posts?" Yeah. I never started cussing you out until you turned to the tried and true way of the "Christian."

I never said I had anything against you. I actually stated that you're probably an alright dude away from here. I just think you've been God-struck a little too hard. Later, QD.

[5speed]

I like where this is going.

[geoff]

look im not here to start trouble. if you want we can just pm back and forth. im trying to do a good thing here and its getting way out of hand. for now lets just agree to disagree

[quickdodge®]

its getting way out of hand. for now lets just agree to disagree

I can do that. Later, QD.

[Ziptied]

QD, don't you worship trees and all that gay shit? lololol

[StreetHazard]

QD, don't you worship trees and all that gay shit? lololol

a pagan? now that point of view would be interesting.

[Starrfire]

^^^I work with one of those fags. What a weird bastard. I'm against all organized religion, but this shit is just funny.

[StreetHazard]

^^^I work with one of those fags. What a weird bastard. I'm against all organized religion, but this shit is just funny.

I'm just saying if anyone is going to be pissed as hell at Christians a Pagan would get a free pass, but not any more so than the rest of us. A Pagan in America must feel like an Indian living on a reservation, and I myself feel the same way like a stranger in a strange land. I don't have a full grasp of what Pagans believe but I think it would be interesting to read their opinions.

It is imperative that we begin speaking plainly about the absurdity of most of our religious beliefs. I fear, however, that the time has not yet arrived. In this sense, what follows is written very much in the spirit of a prayer but i like to think of it as more of a cry for reason.

I "pray" that we may one day think clearly enough about these matters to render our children incapable of killing themselves over their books. If not our children, then I suspect it could well be too late for us, because while it has never been difficult to meet your maker, in fifty years it will simply be too easy to drag everyone else along to meet him with you. I have come to the conclusion that the existence of a God is totally inconsequential.

Reason dictates that a life spent in recognition of the universe and of preservation of one's self and others is better than a life spent on your knees.

[StreetHazard]

"Infernal World! and thou, profoundest Hell,
Receive thy new possessor–one who brings
A mind not to be changed by place or time.

The mind is its own place, and in itself
Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
What matter where, if I be still the same,
And what I should be, all but less than he
Whom thunder hath made greater?

Here at least We shall be free; the Almighty hath not built
Here for his envy, will not drive us hence:
Here we may reign secure; and, in my choice,
To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:

Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven."


- John Milton, Paradise Lost