U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes

[geoff]

the U.S. secretly campaigning a Holy war? lolololololololololololol. please do show me where this American government promotes christianity? please show me one time where Obama has said a prayer in Jesus name or any other member of our government. In TRUE christianity there is no such thing as a Holy war. My Jesus tells me to love my enemies and not to kill. this has nothing to do with religion. there are one of two things going on here....

a. the american government really doesnt care whats on the scope or any other piece of military equiptment, they simply buy tools that get the job done, and someone came along and got their feelings hurt cuz they saw this scripture and turned it into some Holy war crap.

b. the american government knows exactly what is going on and is using it as a cover and trying to make people hate christians. prophecy in my bible says that this will happen and it seems to be unfolding right along.

either way, the american government doesnt care about God, Jesus, Muhamed, Allah, or any other thing to do with religion. its all about getting what they want done.

[Total_Blender]

This is the kinda shit you have to deal with you give contracts to the lowest bidder

[Glides]

Hmm. I think 90% of the people in here missed the entire jist of why this is such a big deal.

I personally could give a shit less what is in the part number on the side of a Trijicon scope.....UNTIL is becomes one more reason for the people who are not fighting...to fight and kill Americans.

I know our government does not promote Christianity and anyone with common sense would know that too. The problem is, people we are fighting probably don't know that. and the Taliban or whoever we fight, will use that as a tool to sway their mind. Sort of like a Jedi Mind Trick. "These are the Americans you wish to kill, they hate Islam. See, it's on their weapons".

You want to see some good examples of Propaganda, check out North Korean posters.

http://calitreview.com/875

Are we dropping babies down wells? I don't think so. Or Russian ones.

http://englishrussia.com/?p=312

Is America promoting a Holy war against Islam? Nope. Will they draw a poster with a "Jesus Gun" on it shooting down innocent defenders of Islam? Probably. Will it make people furious even though it is completely untrue? You bet your ass it will.

It's like wearing a shirt that says "I fucked her" with an arrow pointing to your left and walking around standing next to guys wives. Did you actually fuck her? Nah. Does the guy know you didn't fuck his wife? Probably. But will her husbands buddies egg him on until he punches you in the face for doing it? Most likely. It's just more small pointless shit that will blow up into HUGE pointless shit that some dumbass will use to cause trouble somewhere. Easiest way to stop it....don't wear the shirt.

[geoff]

i get where your coming from buddy, and i strongly agree that it will be used to fuel the fire of hatred. my point was that if not this incident of the biblical engraving then it would be something else. the nation of islam isnt pissed that we have scriptures on our weapons, they are pissed that our weapons are pointed at them and we are swinging our red, white, and blue nutts around for the entire world to see.

[Glides]

i get where your coming from buddy, and i strongly agree that it will be used to fuel the fire of hatred. my point was that if not this incident of the biblical engraving then it would be something else. the nation of islam isnt pissed that we have scriptures on our weapons, they are pissed that our weapons are pointed at them and we are swinging our red, white, and blue nutts around for the entire world to see.

Exactly.

The scriptures just add alot of gas onto an already hot fire.

[ash7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9sPTR-nMds

This is something that is fairly easy to see in our conflicts in the middle east, but is not really talked about...also not easily "proved" because of the military's policy seems to present a constitutional paradox in that the First Amendment's Establishment Clause restricts the government's authority to fund and endorse religion, yet we see it violating these laws as easily as breathing in and out. I suppose Islam and Christianity are both religions of "peace" if it can ever be attained through killing and waging wars in the name of god, by all appearances this means the U.S. military is engaging in a religious war.

But Trijicon does make some very nice sights!

and since you've hopped on the Conspiracy Train, here's another one for you to watch:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1e...-inside-j_news

for being an atheist or whatever you claim to be... you sure do like to post in the religious section.
-jonathan

[5speed]

This one from the Russian link didnt have a good description so I take it upon myself to tell you, my grandfather was in the military for the Union Soviets and has told me the mentality of Russia and its government.

They dont like the idea of the UN bc it allows other people to butt into others business and eventually has potential for unified totalitarian world government. The olive leaves have long represented peace since ancient times. The USA and UN will destroy any chance of peace in the USSR

[StreetHazard]

and since you've hopped on the Conspiracy Train, here's another one for you to watch:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1e...-inside-j_news

for being an atheist or whatever you claim to be... you sure do like to post in the religious section.
-jonathan

That video does not pertain to me or any of my personal views, if you have any questions for me I will be more than happy to respond. Try to form them coherently though or you will be openly mocked accordingly, and to avoid any confusion.

I embrace the the fact that islamic extremist's attacked our soil, and killed our people. Because we get to see first hand the dangers of a theocracy (a government based upon religious values), and the destructive nature of the fanatical religious mind for everyone to behold.

And I post here to offer an opposing viewpoint to the growing cancer that is abrahamic religion. To avoid confusion I refer to abrahamic religion being the world's three primary monotheistic faiths of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, emphasizing their common origin and values as all being tied to the patriarch "Abraham"

[Dietcoke]

This is the kinda shit you have to deal with you give contracts to the lowest bidder

You sir, are an idiot. Trijicon's ACOG sights are the best money can buy for their intended purpose. And no, no one gives a shit about the serial numbers. My job in the army is supervising a weapons shop attached to 4-9 infantry, and in the 5 years I've been in, I've never noticed or cared about the serial numbers, and neither has anyone else in my chain of command.

Lowest bidder is a fucking ignorant statement, seeing as the ACOG patent is held by one company, and trust me, there are less fine examples of sights in use in the Army but everyone wants either one of these for all around use, or a holo sight for CQM. Wonder why that is? The Iraqi army here loves them too. Trust me when I tell you that these guys could really give a crap less about numbers on the side, compared to form or function. They are envious of our weapons, not offended by them.

[Total_Blender]

I'm happy for you that you like 'em, I guess. I wasn't insinuating that they are bad parts, I am not a gun person so I really couldn't care less.

[mushroom_toy]

reps!

Lolol thanks haha. I was hoping at least someone would get the 2nd one.

[Glides]

This one from the Russian link didnt have a good description so I take it upon myself to tell you, my grandfather was in the military for the Union Soviets and has told me the mentality of Russia and its government.

They dont like the idea of the UN bc it allows other people to butt into others business and eventually has potential for unified totalitarian world government. The olive leaves have long represented peace since ancient times. The USA and UN will destroy any chance of peace in the USSR

Exactly. You sir get reps for being smart enough to explain what Propaganda is. It is a person, governments, entities interpretation of something packaged and distributed to whoever they wish to stir a person or group of people to action. That's basically it. Whether it's true or not, doesn't matter. If a person see's the same sign over and over again saying how bad someone is, they might just believe it.

the power of persuasion.

[geoff]

kind of like when all people see is false christians trying to preach something they themselves dont follow and try and force their beliefs on non-believers and wave the bible in peoples faces and tell them to repent of burn in hell.....if thats all non believers see are hear it gives a false image of those that might actually be the real deal and makes people like me jobs harder

[5speed]

Exactly. You sir get reps for being smart enough to explain what Propaganda is. It is a person, governments, entities interpretation of something packaged and distributed to whoever they wish to stir a person or group of people to action. That's basically it. Whether it's true or not, doesn't matter. If a person see's the same sign over and over again saying how bad someone is, they might just believe it.

the power of persuasion.

Thank you very much. Their idea of the UN is stronger today as it has ever been.

[One_Bad_SHO]

As previously stated, Ahmed isnt going to get much propaganda to recruit more jihadists because of this. It's laughable. WE are the ones making a big deal about it. Pathetic. Its hardly in the news anymore. As I've said before... fuckin liberals. We've got bigger issues than a code inscirbed onto a scope that 99% of the population had no idea stood for a bible reference. Yes, its wrong legally. But you fucking liberal morons are the ones making a big deal about it. YOU are the ones dishing out propaganda. This country is losing its balls because of folks like you. Move to France or Venezuela. I revert back to one of my original posts:

I am Ahmed the jihad-inclined Muslim and I hear about Jesus guns. Do I wait for someone like you to give me a well-reasoned explanation about why the Bible quotes are contextually relevant, or is this what pushes me over the edge causing me to declare death to the infidels and sign up with Al-Qaeda? I'm pretty sure Ahmed the Jihadist really doesn't need the Jesus Guns as a prime motivation to sign up for the chance to get those 72 virgins. It HELPS, but the chance of it being especially significant are relatively small. I co-sign that shit.

I'm out of this one. Ya'll have fun.

[StreetHazard]

kind of like when all people see is false christians trying to preach something they themselves dont follow and try and force their beliefs on non-believers and wave the bible in peoples faces and tell them to repent of burn in hell.....if thats all non believers see are hear it gives a false image of those that might actually be the real deal and makes people like me jobs harder

sort of....people waving a Bible, the Quran or the Torah and forcing those beliefs onto others is part of the reason we have the current killing fields in the middle east, and that rectum of humanity, that sacred shit hole in the sand in the middle of it....Jerusalem

The other part is money and control. Those things love each others company like flies and shit.

As previously stated, Ahmed isnt going to get much propaganda to recruit more jihadists because of this. It's laughable. WE are the ones making a big deal about it. Pathetic. Its hardly in the news anymore. As I've said before... fuckin liberals. We've got bigger issues than a code inscirbed onto a scope that 99% of the population had no idea stood for a bible reference. Yes, its wrong legally. But you fucking liberal morons are the ones making a big deal about it. YOU are the ones dishing out propaganda. This country is losing its balls because of folks like you. Move to France or Venezuela. I revert back to one of my original posts:



I'm out of this one. Ya'll have fun.

The video is just an underlying example of what I think is the current mindset of fundamentalist christians which everyone knows also holds a very strong base in the gun lobby. That is the reason I think the owner of Trijicon incorporated scripture into the serial numbers. Those numbers (admittedly I do not know for sure) were probably placed there long before they had any kind of government military contract as those scopes and sights are sold to law enforcement and civilians as well (even I used to own an ACOG scope), and the owners and manufactures have a full right to express their belief. But mostly, I just thought it was "interesting" and I personally don't feel strongly about it one way or another.

But I cannot ignore the connotations of putting holy symbols on military weapons. And you can call me whatever names you choose too, Liberal, Socialist, faggot, Devil Worshiper....I have heard it all before, but all it does is prove what a fucking infant you truly are, I suggest that you do leave this board because the scope of these conversations obviously fall far out of the scope of intelligence you are capable of.

[5speed]

sort of....people waving a Bible, the Quran or the Torah and forcing those beliefs onto others is part of the reason we have the current killing fields in the middle east, and that rectum of humanity, that sacred shit hole in the sand in the middle of it....Jerusalem

The other part is money and control. Those things love each others company like flies and shit.

LOL, you said rectum.

[geoff]

just to throw this out there, i believe 5speed stated that thats why the idea of the UN is growing stronger, a prophecy in the bible speaks of this and says that there will be a one world government, kinda funny how we have the EU, soon the NAU, and so on and so forth.

[5speed]

just to throw this out there, i believe 5speed stated that thats why the idea of the UN is growing stronger, a prophecy in the bible speaks of this and says that there will be a one world government, kinda funny how we have the EU, soon the NAU, and so on and so forth.

The Bible does say a lot about things like that. They have been pretty spot on for awhile now but that is just how it works. History has shown us time and time again that when a group of power nations combine they topple and crumble. It is inevitable. I am not saying that you are wrong or the Bible is wrong, but stating that it only makes sense because it has happened before. I.E. Roman, and Mongolian empires, and German and Italian unification.

[geoff]

yes its true that it has happened before. But the bible states clearly that in the prophesied end times the one world power would be a coalition of nations from the four corners of the earth whereas the Roman, Mongol, German, ect... was one nation that arose and deafeted the surrounding nations to take control. this world power in the bible is made up of all nations that willingly give their power to one being and are united. there will be no fighting, war, or power struggle to form this one world power.

[Got Milk?]

Hmm. I think 90% of the people in here missed the entire jist of why this is such a big deal.

I personally could give a shit less what is in the part number on the side of a Trijicon scope.....UNTIL is becomes one more reason for the people who are not fighting...to fight and kill Americans.

I know our government does not promote Christianity and anyone with common sense would know that too. The problem is, people we are fighting probably don't know that. and the Taliban or whoever we fight, will use that as a tool to sway their mind. Sort of like a Jedi Mind Trick. "These are the Americans you wish to kill, they hate Islam. See, it's on their weapons".

You want to see some good examples of Propaganda, check out North Korean posters.

http://calitreview.com/875

Are we dropping babies down wells? I don't think so. Or Russian ones.

http://englishrussia.com/?p=312

Is America promoting a Holy war against Islam? Nope. Will they draw a poster with a "Jesus Gun" on it shooting down innocent defenders of Islam? Probably. Will it make people furious even though it is completely untrue? You bet your ass it will.

It's like wearing a shirt that says "I fucked her" with an arrow pointing to your left and walking around standing next to guys wives. Did you actually fuck her? Nah. Does the guy know you didn't fuck his wife? Probably. But will her husbands buddies egg him on until he punches you in the face for doing it? Most likely. It's just more small pointless shit that will blow up into HUGE pointless shit that some dumbass will use to cause trouble somewhere. Easiest way to stop it....don't wear the shirt.

Intelligence just clicked in.

And If i was to ever to go to war for USA Army, I sure as hell would not hold a gun with bible writings on it. I rather take a knife and take my chances pretending to be rambo.

[5speed]

yes its true that it has happened before. But the bible states clearly that in the prophesied end times the one world power would be a coalition of nations from the four corners of the earth whereas the Roman, Mongol, German, ect... was one nation that arose and deafeted the surrounding nations to take control. this world power in the bible is made up of all nations that willingly give their power to one being and are united. there will be no fighting, war, or power struggle to form this one world power.

It was the empires intent for world domination and their idea of the world was minuscule then. Just weren't successful. You know why? Because we are human. People on IA cant even agree with each other most of the time, what makes you think involving the world in a matter could make it work. It is way too foolish to think that could ever happen and I dont think politicians are that stupid, not even Obama or Bush.

EDIT: The company has already agreed to remove the script codes from the weapons. But how do they do it? Recall all of them and trade with new ones or return the refurbished ones?

[eraser4g63]

Wow, It is the companies right to put what ever they want to on the scope. It is their product and they are allowed to market what ever they want. ( I am not a christian but sick of all the BS crap a lot of these people get).

[5speed]

Wow, It is the companies right to put what ever they want to on the scope. It is their product and they are allowed to market what ever they want. ( I am not a christian but sick of all the BS crap a lot of these people get).

I agree, but the military shouldn't be using it with that on there. I do believe in Jesus and all but the fact is it is illegal. I believe in full support of the Constitution, so this doesnt slip by.

[geoff]

actually my friend the only catalyst needed to bring forth a one world order would be a catastrophic event such as a huge natural disaster or nuclear war. the people would look for order and some form of organization and the entire world would work together to restore order. under extreme stress the natural human instinct is to submit to a natural leader

[Starrfire]

Intelligence just clicked in.

And If i was to ever to go to war for USA Army, I sure as hell would not hold a gun with bible writings on it. I rather take a knife and take my chances pretending to be rambo.

THIS

This is the reason it is wrong. This man is a muslim. He wants about as much to do with Christianity as I do which is none. I'd just file it off and take the punishment if there was one. But fuck religion being pressed on those who don't want it. And fuck the soldiers involved with the bibles and shit, its not their job and only makes them look like fools.

[5speed]

actually my friend the only catalyst needed to bring forth a one world order would be a catastrophic event such as a huge natural disaster or nuclear war. the people would look for order and some form of organization and the entire world would work together to restore order. under extreme stress the natural human instinct is to submit to a natural leader

That wouldn't work. We do look for leaders but not like that.

Just take a step back and think about this. Let's say we were in the Nuclear War scenario. Countries would be battling each other and destroying one another but citizens remain. They are still a nation even if their leaders have been toppled and armies beat down. Lets just throw North Korea out there as an example. N. Korea initiates warfare and the world fought on both sides, but we are now in the aftermath. Are you telling me that both sides would be willing to cooperate and form one government? After all of that devastation are we able to forgive and forget. No... that is not the human way.

Our religions and beliefs aren't enough to change that. Thats like saying Kung Pao (lol) slit my mothers throat and burned my family alive on his governments command. Some of those powers and people behind the curtain still remain, but I am going to forgive them and be on their side now.

[StreetHazard]

Intelligence just clicked in.

And If i was to ever to go to war for USA Army, I sure as hell would not hold a gun with bible writings on it. I rather take a knife and take my chances pretending to be rambo.

I agree, but the military shouldn't be using it with that on there. I do believe in Jesus and all but the fact is it is illegal. I believe in full support of the Constitution, so this doesnt slip by.

THIS

This is the reason it is wrong. This man is a muslim. He wants about as much to do with Christianity as I do which is none. I'd just file it off and take the punishment if there was one. But fuck religion being pressed on those who don't want it. And fuck the soldiers involved with the bibles and shit, its not their job and only makes them look like fools.

[geoff]

5speed- i said natural disaster. you look at whats happening in haiti right now, the world is joining together to help. take this scenario for example, a giant meteor hits earth ( actually very scientifically plausible ) and the world as we know it is changed. chaos is everywhere. in this scenario the fear we feel as humans would push us to find some sort of solid ground somewhere. the bible in revelations speaks of many natural disasters ( earthquakes, meteors, ect...) that will happen and thats when the anti-christ will rise up and take control. he will offer salvation to a dying world and we will give all power to him.

[Starrfire]

Who gives a fuck about an anti christ, I would hate him just as much. People are gullible, but I'm not a "sheeple" per say. Religion is religion, and I don't cheer for either side. Satanists don't give 2 shits about what Christians think, or any anti christ for the most part. Such an individual would get in the way of their thinking just as much as if Christianity was made mandatory. The concept of an anti christ is retarded.

[5speed]

Fuck the devil














that is all...

[geoff]

starfire- the bible says the anti-christ will be a smooth man, an orator who will soothe the people with his voice, astonish men with his knowledge, and proclaim to be God Himself with false miracles. its the non believers who look for tangible proof that will first be decieved. when this man comes he will be given power by the devil and will do miracles and provide tangible evidence. many will believe then, but this man will preach against us traditional christians and against Christ Himself. christianity will be seen as an enemy of the state. i know you dont believe me but think of this. the bible prophecies of the mark of the beast: "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." revelations 13:16-18. then look at this..http://www.verichipcorp.com/ this chip is to locate, identify, and " protect" peoples assets. funny thing is that it needs to be placed in an area that has minimal interference with skin and muscle tissue...like your hand.

seems similar no? if you want tangible evidence you go and read into the prophecy of the end times. and then look at the major news articles and take a look at the world around you. the biblical prophecies are not vague, they are very specific and are unfolding. how can men thousands of years ago guessed about this? unless it really came from God.

[geoff]

i know this is off topic but maybe not. the biblical end time prophecy also speaks that natural disasters will increase greatly before the second coming of the Lord. these past 10 or so years have seen the GREATEST number of deaths related to natural disaster, think the tsunami in the asian countries, and the numerous earthquakes....just to put that out there too.

[Starrfire]

The anti christ was Nero, of Roman times. I think we're good. And if someone does "miracles", then who is gonna just bend over backwards to follow the bastard. No one gives 2 shits in todays times to do such a backwards religiously driven thing as to hunt down Christians. Nobody cares that much.

Just fear tactics IMO.

[geoff]

yes the bible does refer to emperor nero but you have to also realize that the bible says a spirit of anti-christ has always been here and that it has been in control of i believe 6 empires so far, think roman, nazi, ect...but the bible clearly states this will be a literal man. and if a man came claiming to be God Himself and was healing and raising people up from the dead and calling down fire from heaven believe me many would follow and believe. and if people believed this man was God and he told them the christian believers or followers of the false " Jesus " Christ were the evil ones then people would persecute us.

[Starrfire]

I would like to say people are not stupid enough to follow someone like a little dog, but I know I'd be wrong because people are stupid and feel like they need to fit in. So they find a place to fit in and become sheep, unable to think for themselves. Happens a lot with religion, but it would be just as easy for the same bunch of dumb asses to follow someone else.

Smart people wouldn't follow this person, and since 2 billion people on the planet are of retarded Christian values, almost all political figures, would not let this pass.

So let the retarded image of an anti christ die because jesus doesn't rule the world, people do. And I don't give a shit about either side.

[geoff]

thats the exact problem, Jesus doesnt rule the world, people do and people by nature are selfish and when a man comes with power to actually change things and people see that he can promise and fulfill their deepest desires, they will follow. and you honestly think the corrupt governments of the world wouldnt jump on board of the anti-christ, remember he will promise them vast amounts of power and money.

[StreetHazard]

WIN!

[Starrfire]

^^^LOL, its like you found bigfoot or something there.

[StreetHazard]

^^^LOL, its like you found bigfoot or something there.

I did! you don't run across photos like that everyday, it might as well be the loch ness monster