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    Ok, I've caught a lot of flack from a couple of threads that I've closed recently, so let's air it out in here so everyone is clear on the situation.

    It has always been my understanding that ANY "sawed off" weapon is highly illegal not only in GA, but the entire U.S. As I'm both told and read, it is a FEDERAL offense to alter any weapon w/o it being duly registered and "ok'd" by the ATF. Technically, ANY modification on a weapon is supposed to be "illegal" because you're altering it from factory specs, but what the ATF really pursues are homemade "sawed off" weapons, illegally silenced weapons, converted fully auto weapons, and of course non-serial numbered weapons.

    I know that if you own a weapon with a working silencer, it has to be registered as such. I know that if you want to LEGALLY own a fully auto weapon, it too has to be registered through the ATF as such. I was told and read on several occassions that even if you "saw off" a weapon, most popularly the shotgun, that it is often times not only ILLEGAL but just as importantly and likely not safe because shotgun barrels (in some calibers more than others) are often times tapered and therefore not the same "strength" if "sawed off".

    Now, on to the LAW portion of this discussion. This is what the LAW in GA states on the matter. I'm going to quote it exactly as it is written in the books, and you guys can try and interpret it too.

    Here you go:

    O.C.G.A. § 16-11-122
    Possession of sawed-off shotgun or rifle, machine gun, silencer, or dangerous weapon prohibited
    No person shall have in his possession any sawed-off shotgun, sawed-off rifle, machine gun, dangerous weapon, or silencer except as provided in Code Section 16-11-124.


    O.C.G.A. § 16-11-123
    Unlawful possession of firearms or weapons A person commits the offense of unlawful possession of firearms or weapons when he or she knowingly has in his or her possession any sawed-off shotgun, sawed-off rifle, machine gun, dangerous weapon, or silencer, and, upon conviction thereof, he or she shall be punished by imprisonment for a period of five years.


    As mentioned above, here is the only exceptions to the law:

    O.C.G.A. § 16-11-124
    Exemptions from application of part

    This part shall not apply to:

    (1) A peace officer of any duly authorized police agency of this state or of any political subdivision thereof, or a law enforcement officer of any department or agency of the United States who is regularly employed and paid by the United States, this state, or any such political subdivision, or an employee of the Department of Corrections of this state who is authorized in writing by the commissioner of corrections to transfer or possess such firearms while in the official performance of his duties;

    (2) A member of the National Guard or of the armed forces of the United States to wit: the army, navy, marine corps, air force, or coast guard who, while serving therein, possesses such firearm in the line of duty;

    (3) Any sawed-off shotgun, sawed-off rifle, machine gun, dangerous weapon, or silencer which has been modified or changed to the extent that it is inoperative. Examples of the requisite modification include weapons with their barrel or barrels filled with lead, hand grenades filled with sand, or other nonexplosive materials;

    (4) Possession of a sawed-off shotgun, sawed-off rifle, machine gun, dangerous weapon, or silencer by a person who is authorized to possess the same because he has registered the sawed-off shotgun, sawed-off rifle, machine gun, dangerous weapon, or silencer in accordance with the dictates of the National Firearms Act, 68A Stat. 725 (26 U.S.C. Sections 5841-5862); and

    (5) A security officer employed by a federally licensed nuclear power facility or a licensee of such facility, including a contract security officer, who is trained and qualified under a security plan approved by the United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission or other federal agency authorized to regulate nuclear facility security; provided, however, that this exemption shall apply only while such security officer is acting in connection with his or her official duties on the premises of such nuclear power facility or on properties outside the facility property pursuant to a written agreement entered into with the local law enforcement agency having jurisdiction over the facility. The exemption under this paragraph does not include the possession of silencers.





    Now, I'm not a lawyer, but it seems pretty clear to me what they are trying to say here. If the weapon came with an 18" barrel, then it CAME that way from factory and hence would not be considered "sawed off" eventhough most people commonly refer to any short barreled shotgun as a "sawed off" shotgun even when it came like that from factory. If you take it and hacksaw the barrel to any length other than what that particular barrel CAME WITH FROM FACTORY even if its 18" or more, THEN it would be considered truly "sawed off" and hence ILLEGAL per the GA law code quoted above. Right or wrong?



    If you guys see it differently, please explain how.

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    "Sawed off" in legal terms is meant when the barrel has been shortened, by any means, below 18" in length. There is no law stating that modifying guns is illegal. There are restrictions on how they can be modified though. For shotguns it has to have at least an 18" barrel and 26" overall length. You can modify either to be shorter but you have to first register it as an Any Other Weapon and pay the $200 tax stamp. There is no way, to my knowledge to legally convert a weapon to fully automatic though. There are also other laws like not being able to put forward/vertical grips and stocks on pistols. That's why carbon 15 pistols, etc. always come with exposed buffer tubes and no stock.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SiRed94 View Post
    "Sawed off" in legal terms is meant when the barrel has been shortened, by any means, below 18" in length. There is no law stating that modifying guns is illegal. There are restrictions on how they can be modified though. For shotguns it has to have at least an 18" barrel and 26" overall length. You can modify either to be shorter but you have to first register it as an Any Other Weapon and pay the $200 tax stamp. There is no way, to my knowledge to legally convert a weapon to fully automatic though. There are also other laws like not being able to put forward/vertical grips and stocks on pistols. That's why carbon 15 pistols, etc. always come with exposed buffer tubes and no stock.
    See, I don't think that ATF is just going to hand out these "registrations" all willie nillie to anyone just because they decided to take a hacksaw to their shotgun. So, it may technically be possible, but until you get that it is an illegal weapon. Right?

    Besides, if you even try to go through the proper channels to get your "new" shortened shotgun registered, doesn't that just bump up the price of the weapon beyond what you can get a regular off the shelf 18 in shotgun for?

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    "sawed-off" is not synonymous with shortening the barrel. Once you go under the legal limits for the particular weapon platform, then its considered a 'sawed off" weapon. The work around is the tax stamps (if available for your particular platform).

    You can cut a rifle from 24" to 16" with no problem. Cut it to 15.5" and its illegal and you have to file for a SBR tax stamp. Not sure if tax stamps are available for short shotguns, but if they are I assume it would work the same way. If they are not available then you cannot cut shorter than 18" no matter what.

    Dig deeper in the code and you can find the definitions for each platform and when they are considered deadly weapons/ sawed off/ or whatever other scary phrase of the day they feel like using.
    "The 1911 is a collection of subsystems that must work together. Each part must be prepared and fit properly not only in and of itself, but also with regard to the other parts with which it must operate for the gun to function and appear as desired."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiRed94 View Post
    "Sawed off" in legal terms is meant when the barrel has been shortened, by any means, below 18" in length. There is no law stating that modifying guns is illegal. There are restrictions on how they can be modified though. For shotguns it has to have at least an 18" barrel and 26" overall length. You can modify either to be shorter but you have to first register it as an Any Other Weapon and pay the $200 tax stamp. There is no way, to my knowledge to legally convert a weapon to fully automatic though. There are also other laws like not being able to put forward/vertical grips and stocks on pistols. That's why carbon 15 pistols, etc. always come with exposed buffer tubes and no stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny View Post
    "sawed-off" is not synonymous with shortening the barrel. Once you go under the legal limits for the particular weapon platform, then its considered a 'sawed off" weapon. The work around is the tax stamps (if available for your particular platform).

    You can cut a rifle from 24" to 16" with no problem. Cut it to 15.5" and its illegal and you have to file for a SBR tax stamp. Not sure if tax stamps are available for short shotguns, but if they are I assume it would work the same way. If they are not available then you cannot cut shorter than 18" no matter what.

    Dig deeper in the code and you can find the definitions for each platform and when they are considered deadly weapons/ sawed off/ or whatever other scary phrase of the day they feel like using.

    x3

    Not trying to start a stink. I understand the website has aright to cancel threads that might raise any questions to the law...

    Anywho..
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