church

[redblackfan]

ok if you have been to church all your life, what else will there be to teach from the bible if you have heard it all.

[punkr6]

no way you could know all the bible has to offer...thread fail

[redblackfan]

how could this thread fail when i am just asking a ?

[geoff]

the bible is very amazing. you could spend your entire life in church, read it front to back 100 times, ect.... and you would still constantly be learning. what most people fail to understand is that the bible is not a book. it is God's LIVING Word! it speaks to us as His people, its the diagram for how to live your life, the instruction book of righteousness, the gateway to life everlasting. the bible NEVER contradicts itself, it is relavent to every generation. scripture says, " Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." matt. 24:35

[ueyedgr8tness]

no way you could know all the bible has to offer...thread fail

he could be 120yrs old and still not have all the wisdom that comes out of that good book

[geoff]

amen

[Drummerboy]

Ive got respect for you Geoff. we should get together. Im not too far from gwinnett, and I'm looking for a good church since I just moved. PM me some info on yours.

[bookthief]

what else will there be to teach from the bible if you have heard it all.

Then you will learn and understand the contradictions coming from other subjects.

[LizBiz]

I used to go to church every Sunday. Now I go a few Sunday's out of the month but not nearly as much as I did in the past. IMO the relationship you have with God is between you and Him. I don't feel that going to church "proves" I have a strong relationship with God or I don't know The Word. I can read the bible at home and get a better understanding sometimes. I enjoy to fellowship with others, sometimes it just feels good. But if I want to talk to God, I don't need to wait till Sunday to talk to him.

[ians s14]

Church isn't all about the Bible either, it's about your relationship with God. You can never be close enough or know enough about God.

[SUBY_RUE]

ok if you have been to church all your life, what else will there be to teach from the bible if you have heard it all.

Are you the owner of this fine automobile?



if so.... you need jesus sir....

[geoff]

no you dont need church to have a relationship with God, you can talk to God any time you get down on your knees and pray....BUT, the Word of God says this, " So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." romans 10:17 AND " How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" romans 10:14

so, you can have a relationship with God but you need an annointed man of God to preach to you and have God speak to His people.

[Saung]

I used to go to church 3 days a week, not anymore, but I still talk to God all the time.

[geoff]

im glad you guys still talk to God. but church is important, the bible says that where two or three are gathered in His name that there He will be also. it provides food for the soul, Word for guidance, and an opportunity for you to be in the presence of Jesus to worship and praise Him. God bless you all and stay strong in the faith brothers!!!

[geoff]

drummer boy i sent you a pm

[s14unimog]

^ you sir are brainwashed. I recommend you go learn about other religions and then disprove their beliefs, since you are so confident in yours.

[mocha latte cupcake]

I've gone through my time with other religions in classes and talking to people in who have different faiths. christianity just makes more sense to me.

[ueyedgr8tness]

^ yep by a longshot

[geoff]

+1...

[s14unimog]

So you believe they will be cast to hell for there faiths? And another thing why is it that you pray to a symbol of death? The crucifix is one of the most barbaric, inhuman, ways to torture someone. I refuse to associate myself with an organization that has been responsible for millions of deaths over thousands of years. Your faith persecutes non-believers, that's not very christian of you.

If you want to waste/devote your life to something that you can't even prove, then go right a head, but I will tell you that no one enjoys hearing your words.

a leaving comment... What if you're wrong

BTW: Gwinnett doesn't have an "e" on the end.

[ians s14]

So you believe they will be cast to hell for there faiths? And another thing why is it that you pray to a symbol of death? The crucifix is one of the most barbaric, inhuman, ways to torture someone. I refuse to associate myself with an organization that has been responsible for millions of deaths over thousands of years. Your faith persecutes non-believers, that's not very christian of you.

If you want to waste/devote your life to something that you can't even prove, then go right a head, but I will tell you that no one enjoys hearing your words.

a leaving comment... What if you're wrong

BTW: Gwinnett doesn't have an "e" on the end.

We don't pray t a symbol of death. Last time i checked God wasn't a symbol of death. And we don't ray to the cross. We have the cross to let us remember wha jesus did for us. He died for our sins on that thing man.

[s14unimog]

And we don't pray to the cross.

Yes you do... The symbol of Christianity is the crucifix (please con't to Google and search "symbol of Christianity")... And you choose to ignore my other comments??

IF the story is true, he was murdered because of what he represented...

[ians s14]

Your telling me what i pray to? I pray to God, I don't pray to objects or worship them either. Yes it might represent chrisianity, and i explained why. Yes Jesus was crucified for being who he is, God.
What did i leave out.

P.s- if no one enjoyed hearing what the bible has to say why is it my church grows every day.

[s14unimog]

Your telling me what i pray to? I pray to God, I don't pray to objects or worship them either. Yes it might represent chrisianity, and i explained why. Yes Jesus was crucified for being who he is, God.
What did i leave out.

P.s- if no one enjoyed hearing what the bible has to say why is it my church grows every day.

You left out your response to the death and destruction this religion has caused; this isn't my opinion either, but irrefutable fact. Lets take for example the Inca empire. When the Spanish conquistadors traveled to Peru they met with Inca's and offered your "good book". Unaware of its existence/teachings the Inca's dropped it on the ground b/c it has no meaning for them. Shortly after that, the Spanish proceeded to enslave and murder the Inca's. They destroyed their way of life and FORCED Christianity onto them. You Christians seem to block out the thousands of years of damage you have caused. You can't hind behind your scriptures of good faith. This is factual historical evidence. I think the fact you are allowed to still practice this religion is appalling.

The reason your church keeps growing coincides with the saying, "a sucker is born every minute"

I want you to directly comment on the Inca destruction. Hell, go consult your pastier and give me a SINGLE reason why that was Christian of you.

[geoff]

i will tackle this one. the bible says " many are called and few are chosen " it also says, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say unto me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." matthew 7:21-23

not everyone that says they are a christian live as Jesus wants them to. alot of them do use it to instill fear and take advantage. thats why Jesus said, " depart from me, ye that work iniquity." its people like this that have given us a bad name. i would also like to point out that death and destruction have been done for numerous causes or in the name of some god or belief. the azteks, nazi's, ect....so please dont single out christians. these people that try to use the loving message of Jesus as fear and to control have a special place in hell.

[s14unimog]

^ good response. Lets not forget these are repeated trends in history. There are many many other examples, similar to this one, that are done to "spread the word of god." On top of that, this scripture seems to respond to an individuals actions but in fact this was the general consensus of the population during that time. The difference now is that we are civilized enough to restrict this sort of behavior. I agree that people can skew "god's" word for their own personal gain but this is the problem religion. There is so much left for "interpretation" that it allows individuals to adjust the meaning for their needs. You praise the scriptures for their abilities to be timeless when I think they are purposely left vague.

[mocha latte cupcake]

OH I SEE HERE. so you're saying that b/c of previous things in history that makes christianity a terrible thing right?

the wouldn't it be safe to say all white people are the devil b/c we enslaved african americans for some years, killed, abused and tortured them and forced them to work for us. much like the romans and britains did to a bunch of other people... but i would have put them under white correct? therefore all white people from thenforth are terrible and evil people.

also would you like to go back and correct facts saying that there are many a people who piggybacked on christianity to gain favor then revealed their true colors. cough hitler cough. lets take a look @ that for a minute, he got favor from the church early on, to bring germany back to a great and noble country that was ravaged by war and the "evil" others. and so the church granted him favor as his "cause" @ that time was a good one. therefore he had the support of the church. now wait. he killed lots of jews and was known as one of the greatest war machine overlords of our day... interesting. so he was a christian right? so now all white AND christian people are evil? interesting again.

wait i have an idea. read a little more and use more of your mental powers to capacitate thoughts more efficiently while not spewing mindless open ended questions about historical instances without sufficient evidence or knowledge to back them up.

*ahem* also, in accordance to the INCA destruction, there have been many other times when there were civilizations wiped out for the various reasons (religion, land wars, hey i don't like the way you looked @ me *knife fight here*) chrisitianity is perhaps one of the "newer" religions that have the most "driven" people in it. however you're forgetting on thing... GOD is no falable. MAN is. Gods will can only be interpretted by those who seek his guidance and his will daily with just cause and the "grooming" of their mind and soul. do not pretend to know what a relationship with God is if you're yet to actually have one. futhermore, is it odd that everyone chooses to bring christianity to the lime light and yet there are no other religions that seem to draw as much controversy....

is that because the others are too... EASY to follow. and ACCEPTING to everyone else. Chrisitianity is not a "club" it is not the "in thing to do" nor has it ever been "easy to be one". Perhaps opening your mind and softening your spirit would do you some good i would be willing to bet. If chrisitianity were really that evil... then i guess we'll never know til we end up @ the gates and someone else is standing there other than God and jesus. but personally i'd rather bank on a book of truth that becomes illuminated when you dig deeper than the surface writing on some paper. and have a good feeling i'm a "great person" with an all too "tingly feeling" that when i get there, if all it took was being a good person, i'm a shoe in, but if it took being a christian...well no problems there either.

Christianity (judism) has been persecuted since the dawn of time... so why is it that no one cares to look @ how mistreated they were for quite sometime?

[mocha latte cupcake]

also. i forgot to add something before i get on the road.

christians to not "worship" the cross. however i assume since you keep referring to it as an "symbol" of christianity as it is recognized around the world. the symbolize as used for the cross is to "remind us that jesus died for our sins" not that some romans stuck a man on a tree for being a "heretic and false prophet" again. read and comprehend not stare @ the page and pick out what you will

ps:
Jesus christ died @ the height or "perfection" as it is referred to in roman history of the cruxifiction. it was @ that time and never as before the worlds more "horrific and painful way to die, suitable only for those of the HIGHEST degree of crimes" between the scurging, via de la rosa walk, nailing to the cross, appending the 2nd fixture in the horizontal motion down the vertical stake to "lock in place". the nailing of the feet, piercing of the side, among the other tortures that went on during this. it should be more "sobering" that "irritating" to most people to know that there was such a man who was willing to endure such a grueling and painstaking process that would die for your sins so that all you had to do was make a simple choice to believe in his father so you could go to heaven. i recommend you go speak to a educated preacher/pastor (not priest we aren't catholic) about how easy it is to get into heaven. ignorance isn't a valid excuse if you've even heard the message once.

[geoff]

God's Word is not vague. we can only understand the Word so much by ourselves. thats when you pray to God for understanding and thats why there is a need for church. SOME men are annointed by God and chosen by Him to preach His word

[TheProfiteer]

You Crazy Holy Roller People Make Me LIRL

[ahabion]

God's Word is not vague. we can only understand the Word so much by ourselves. thats when you pray to God for understanding and thats why there is a need for church. SOME men are annointed by God and chosen by Him to preach His word

I'd disagree. Taking your earlier verse of Romans 10:14 into the entirety within context... it doesn't imply that only a few are chosen to ministry, simply stating that if there isn't someone to preach it, no one will hear it... (tree falling and if there is no one around to hear it, does it make a sound?)

I'd personally change your statement to:

God's Word is not vague. we can only understand the Word so much by ourselves. thats when you pray to God for understanding and thats why there is a need for church. ALL are annointed by God and chosen by Him to preach His word

Romans 6:28-39

Romans 8:30 (of course it touches on the two different value systems in Christianity - Calvinism vs Arminianism - neither of which really matters in my opinion... would it really change your life in either situation?)

[geoff]

some men are annointed of God to preach the word, just as there are healers, teachers, those who prophecy and so on...but, each one of us is called to share our faith with a dying world.

[ians s14]

Next time you guys meet up, pm me. Id like to chill sometime.

[Drummerboy]

Next time you guys meet up, pm me. Id like to chill sometime.

x2, I think Geoff and I are going to meet up in a couple weeks. Youre welcomed to come.

[geoff]

anybody is welcome to come. i wanna do a mini bible study if thats ok. we can meet up at like a waffle house or something. anybody interested can pm me for my number and details. God bless you all

[jdm eg6]

the bible is very amazing. you could spend your entire life in church, read it front to back 100 times, ect.... and you would still constantly be learning. what most people fail to understand is that the bible is not a book. it is God's LIVING Word! it speaks to us as His people, its the diagram for how to live your life, the instruction book of righteousness, the gateway to life everlasting. the bible NEVER contradicts itself, it is relavent to every generation. scripture says, " Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." matt. 24:35

x2

[True Pyroman]

yeah Im just gonna stay outta this section of the forum.

bunch of brainwashed mofos looking for something because they're life just isn't cutting it.

[BABY J]

Are you the owner of this fine automobile?



if so.... you need jesus sir....

IDK what the OP driver... but I saw Jesus one day. And I know what he driver... see below.

SPOTTED!!!!!! JESUS CHRIST

[ahabion]

some men are annointed of God to preach the word, just as there are healers, teachers, those who prophecy and so on...but, each one of us is called to share our faith with a dying world.

How are some anointed when everyone who is of the body of Christ is still a part of the body? Though there may be different vocations or careers, all are called to ministry, regardless of their vocation. Pastors, preachers, deacons, Gentile or Jew, all are equal in the blood and name of Jesus Christ. But those who know more of the Word, those who have accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior but have done nothing (parable of the talents), will be held at higher accountability for ministry. The new covenant has been made through the blood and it is only through this grace of blood that we would have the hope of an eternal salvation.

Not trying to be argumentative by any means, but simply trying to put forth the understanding that all who would call themselves Christians and have accepted the salvation of Jesus are called to the same ministry. To go out and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

[geoff]

there is a difference between Jesus giving believers the commandment to go out into the four corners and preach the gospel and a calling of ministry. true that we are all the same in Jesus eyes BUT, as the body of christ some are eyes, hands, feet, ect....therefore, some are teachers, others healers, and some deacons and preachers