Originally Posted by ka24boost
Pitbulls? If not what are you using, my boss runs them with pits.
Pitbulls? If not what are you using, my boss runs them with pits.
2007 Civic FA1 and 2005 Yukon XL Denali
I've been hunting for over 20 years and if you're going to invest in a good caliber gun get a 300 mag. Put a very nice scope on it and by nice, I don't mean a $300 scope. Buy a high quality scope for around $800-$1200+.
They won't run far with a 300 mag, I promise.
The reason I suggest a 300 mag is because the first time you shoot a big bodied animal and he runs for 500+ yards and you lose the blood trail, you'll thank me later for suggesting a larger caliber. A rifle like a .270 or .30-06 is good for GA but the first time you walk a mile following a blood trail, you'll wish you bought the 300 mag.
A 300 mag is a little much for most size of deer in GA but when you go up north or out west it is much better suited. I hunt black bear in N. Georgia so a higher caliber helps there too.
I purchased a Thompson contender and it has a wide range of interchangable barrels. I have it in 12 gauge, .223, .308, and I'm getting the 300 mag this year. 1 gun with many different barrels. You can switch from a 12 gauge to a .308 in 2 minutes. You can also make it a pistol.
Whomever said the pigs in GA don't get big obviously hasn't hunted in GA very long. I've shot pigs over 400 lbs and last year somebody shot some records, one that weighed 800+lbs and 1,000+lbs just south of Atlanta. If that isn't big, I want to know what is.
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i was thinking the same too...if your going to get a gun get one that will make something drop in the heartbeat lol...i thought a 300 scope was expensive, my bro brags about his nice 300 scope but damn 800-1000 scope it must better see threw them tree out there lol...that is some big ass pig your shooting...anywase i probably wont get anything this year mayb next year lol...if not then i just make my bro sell me his 300 mag lol
I go duck hunting alot I spend almost the whole winter season in either Mississippi or Arkansas duck hunting.
we use pit or bull dog
Bigger caliber bullets are no excuse or replacement for poor shot placement. Its like people justifying owning an automatic weapon for home defense for the spray and pray method.
If people would be more patient in the woods and practice way more in the off season there would not be as many lost deer/wildlife in the woods. Now dont get me wrong.. a 3 hunny will leave a huge hole and put a deer down quick, but I can promise you a .270 or a .22 hornet will do the same job. It just doesnt allow for the same margin of error. Everywhere I hunt here in GA the furthest I shoot out of any stand/tree is about 200yds. Most of it is between 80-120 yds. My old K98 Mauser shoots about 3" groups at that distance with cheap ammo (its been a while but I think that sounds right after I cut the barrel down) and serves its purpose. Alot of the factory guns shooting the 3 hunny round will shoot a 1-1.5" group at those distances. Notice how I said the gun will do that and not the shooter. More pratice and taking practical shots will kill more deer!
Just my
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^^^that true too because my cousins them uses .270 and .243 and they never complian...ohhh well i quess it doesnt matter what you get...
in GA a 7.62x39 gun will work just fine for deer or boar.
There is no reason to go overkill with the magnums for your first rifle. Yeah, they won't "run" far with a damn bazooka either, but are you gonna use it just because of that?????
Shot placement is the only thing that matters. I've seen a deer shot with a 30-30 that dropped like someone chopped it's legs off, and I've seen a deer run for 300 yds after being shot with a 7mm Mag. It's about shot placement. If you put it where it belongs, it will do it's job.
I've always liked the 270 and 30-06, which I think would be plenty for what you're wanting. You won't be shooting hogs at 200 yds. A well placed shot with a handgun will put a hog down, so a 270 or 30-06 will more than do the job. Both calibers are readily available, have plenty of variety of ammo, and can be had used for a decent price.
I've killed 4 deer. A 10, a 3, a spike, and a doe. Each with a .270. Only the doe ran at all and she only ran abt 10 yards. None of their hearts were intact. All abt shot placement.
97 DX Civic w/ H22 FS
bolt action 270
yeah...you hunt a bear that weighs half a ton with the same caliber rifle you use for a 200 pound deer. If you don't have a kill shot, it won't run far. Hell I've never had ANYTHING (including deer) run after I hit it with buck shot from my 12 gauge.
...a $1200 scope? who the fuck are you? Micheal Waddell? Dude It doesn't matter how long you've been hunting if you don't know the basics. With the shit you're talking you may as well hunt with a muzzle loader or a god damn bazooka if you're so worried about it running.
A clean shot to the heart will make sure that the deer doesn't run...and a thousand dollar scope won't ensure that shot. Only a good marksman can get that. I'll shoot a deer with a .22 mag and find it.
People...quit watching realtree outdoors and think you can hunt, cause they can't. They're rich and pay for their trophies.
Dude you are an idiot, use a bigger gun you will be thinking me later ahahah dumbest shit ive ever heard, any caliber gun with good shot placement will drop anything. Ive spotlighted deer with a .22 and used shorts that dont make sound and are only about as powerful as a pelet gun and dropped deer
And 1200 dollars scope sure as hell does not help that the only thing a more expensive scope does is pick up more light and not fog up.
Also to the hogs being big in ga, yes there are some big hogs in georgia in farms that are fed or on property that is managed for hogs but for the most part none of the them get over a 150 pounds.
wow...that is a smart ass *****.
but it's a bit more powerful than a pellet gun...unless you have a vtec in your pellet gun, that is.
You wait almost two years to post and THAT is what you come up with?
go big or go home--- 7mm mag
2005 G35 coupe
Its one thing if you WANT a bigger gun for whatever reason, but if you dont feel you can take down a deer or hog with a .270 or less then you need to spend alot of time target shooting.
97 DX Civic w/ H22 FS
...if that's your idea of a witty rhetoric than you are as gay as that smiley face.You wait almost two years to post and THAT is what you come up with?
...this is a smiley face that isn't gay :boobies:
...fag
Actually, a pellet gun run on C02 is probably close to a .22 shooting sound suppressent shots. GTFO. Serious conversations only.
97 DX Civic w/ H22 FS
I'm going to touch base on a few points from you and the other dumbass that doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground either.
The reason I suggested a nice expensive scope to go "with", KEY WORD "WITH" the 300 mag is because the optical componants on the more expensive scopes can take the recoil of the 300 mag 10x's better than a $300 scope. Shoot a .300 mag with a cheap scope and you'll be replacing it every year with a new scope. I along with many people i've hunted with have all been down that road and learned our lesson. I've seen a brand new scope get fucked after one shot with a .300 mag.
You're also WRONG saying a more expensive scope picks up more light and won't fog. The larger the mm lens, the more light it absorbs. A 40-44mm lens scope can be expensive, but that doesn't have anything to do with the light it absorbs. A 50mm lens scope will draw in more light, retard and can cost less depending on who makes it. Again, quality. Any scope can have anti-fog lenses. Or you can just go buy the same shit divers use to spray on their goggles to keep them from fogging.
Neither of you would know this because all you do is shoot squirrels with your BB gun in daddys back yard.
I clearly stated a .270 or .30-06 would work for GA hunting, but if they want an all around gun that can hunt out west or anywhere in N. America for that matter, the .300 mag is better suited and a better all around caliber. You can shoot deer, black bear, boar, grizzly bear, brown bear, moose, mule deer, bighorn sheep, elk, etc... All at much greater distances than your .270 and with a hell of a lot more stopping power. I'd like to see you 20 yrds from a grizzly and shoot it with a .270.
Buy once, buy smart! I learned that lesson the hard way, but thankfully a very old wise man knocked some sense into me after I kept blowing money on different guns when I was younger. There are different grain bullets for different body size animal and the .300 offers a nice range.
Now, as far as making a kill shot in the heart and it dropping the animal on the spot. WRONG. Can it, yes. Very rarely. A spine shot or head shot will drop it in it's tracks, BUT a vital organ shot doesn't normally drop it immediately. They normally run on a heart shot or lung shot. Lung shots normally they run less because the lungs fill up with blood and the body doesn't get the oxygen to feed the muscles to keep running.
I've seen a friend shoot a Russian boar in the head with a .270 and it blew half of the top of it's head OFF. HALF the brain was missing. Guess what, we tracked that hog into the swamp and lost it. One week later he was hunting the same stand and half brains walks out to feed in the food plot again. He shot it in the lungs the second time, it ran 120 yrds, and we could not believe what we were seeing when we found it. That hog lived over a week in the swamp with half of it's brains blown off. They are tough, mean mother fuckers.
The 1st deer I ever shot in GA was a 180lbs doe in Hancock county and I shot it through the shoulder, it went through the lungs, heart, and back out through the leg on the other side. The deer fell straight down to the ground and pushed itself with only it's hind legs for over 80 yards. When I gutted it, the heart was MUSH in pieces, one lung was fucked, and both front legs were broken. This was with a .30-06 and a perfectly placed heart shot.
I actually bow hunt a lot now and I shoot for the lungs. I would say 10% of the time the animal doesn't know what just happened and i've had them actually keep feeding and topple over after a minute or two. The other 90 percent run less than 70 yrds on a lung shot. I would say most run 40 yrds with a bow and lung shot. My bow shoots 312 fps with muzzy 90 gr heads.
Nobody said you couldn't shoot a deer with a .22 dipshit. If you dropped it in it's tracks with a .22, you got fuckin lucky as shit and had a rabbits foot in your both spockets, a horseshoe necklace, and a 4 leaf clover shoved up your ass. You sure as fuck didn't shoot it in the heart with a .22 and drop it you wet behind the ears pimple poppin fuckstick. Nice to know you were illegally spot lighting too. That just shows what a fucktard we already knew you were.
The "wild feral" hogs in GA get upwards of 300-400lbs for the larger bodied hogs that are rarely seen. Yes, average would be around 80-120lbs, but the records that were shot over a year ago that I mentioned were WILD HOGS. They had short snouts and that is only found with wild hogs. Farm raised hogs have long snouts. The bigger a hog gets, the less you will see it. They are smart and stay in thick areas they know nobody will fuck with them. If you knew anything about hunting, you would know that.
Now, come back and tell me how I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about since I've been hunting for over 20 years and I didn't start until I was 10 years old. You do the math genious.
Go do some research before either of you pop off again with useless banter and shitty info. Dumbass kids hunting deer with .22's.
Not to mention that it is illegal to hunt large game in GA with rimfire rifles...I'm going to touch base on a few points from you and the other dumbass that doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground either.
The reason I suggested a nice expensive scope to go "with", KEY WORD "WITH" the 300 mag is because the optical componants on the more expensive scopes can take the recoil of the 300 mag 10x's better than a $300 scope. Shoot a .300 mag with a cheap scope and you'll be replacing it every year with a new scope. I along with many people i've hunted with have all been down that road and learned our lesson. I've seen a brand new scope get fucked after one shot with a .300 mag.
You're also WRONG saying a more expensive scope picks up more light and won't fog. The larger the mm lens, the more light it absorbs. A 40-44mm lens scope can be expensive, but that doesn't have anything to do with the light it absorbs. A 50mm lens scope will draw in more light, retard and can cost less depending on who makes it. Again, quality. Any scope can have anti-fog lenses. Or you can just go buy the same shit divers use to spray on their goggles to keep them from fogging.
Neither of you would know this because all you do is shoot squirrels with your BB gun in daddys back yard.
I clearly stated a .270 or .30-06 would work for GA hunting, but if they want an all around gun that can hunt out west or anywhere in N. America for that matter, the .300 mag is better suited and a better all around caliber. You can shoot deer, black bear, boar, grizzly bear, brown bear, moose, mule deer, bighorn sheep, elk, etc... All at much greater distances than your .270 and with a hell of a lot more stopping power. I'd like to see you 20 yrds from a grizzly and shoot it with a .270.
Buy once, buy smart! I learned that lesson the hard way, but thankfully a very old wise man knocked some sense into me after I kept blowing money on different guns when I was younger. There are different grain bullets for different body size animal and the .300 offers a nice range.
Now, as far as making a kill shot in the heart and it dropping the animal on the spot. WRONG. Can it, yes. Very rarely. A spine shot or head shot will drop it in it's tracks, BUT a vital organ shot doesn't normally drop it immediately. They normally run on a heart shot or lung shot. Lung shots normally they run less because the lungs fill up with blood and the body doesn't get the oxygen to feed the muscles to keep running.
I've seen a friend shoot a Russian boar in the head with a .270 and it blew half of the top of it's head OFF. HALF the brain was missing. Guess what, we tracked that hog into the swamp and lost it. One week later he was hunting the same stand and half brains walks out to feed in the food plot again. He shot it in the lungs the second time, it ran 120 yrds, and we could not believe what we were seeing when we found it. That hog lived over a week in the swamp with half of it's brains blown off. They are tough, mean mother fuckers.
The 1st deer I ever shot in GA was a 180lbs doe in Hancock county and I shot it through the shoulder, it went through the lungs, heart, and back out through the leg on the other side. The deer fell straight down to the ground and pushed itself with only it's hind legs for over 80 yards. When I gutted it, the heart was MUSH in pieces, one lung was fucked, and both front legs were broken. This was with a .30-06 and a perfectly placed heart shot.
I actually bow hunt a lot now and I shoot for the lungs. I would say 10% of the time the animal doesn't know what just happened and i've had them actually keep feeding and topple over after a minute or two. The other 90 percent run less than 70 yrds on a lung shot. I would say most run 40 yrds with a bow and lung shot. My bow shoots 312 fps with muzzy 90 gr heads.
Nobody said you couldn't shoot a deer with a .22 dipshit. If you dropped it in it's tracks with a .22, you got fuckin lucky as shit and had a rabbits foot in your both spockets, a horseshoe necklace, and a 4 leaf clover shoved up your ass. You sure as fuck didn't shoot it in the heart with a .22 and drop it you wet behind the ears pimple poppin fuckstick. Nice to know you were illegally spot lighting too. That just shows what a fucktard we already knew you were.
The "wild feral" hogs in GA get upwards of 300-400lbs for the larger bodied hogs that are rarely seen. Yes, average would be around 80-120lbs, but the records that were shot over a year ago that I mentioned were WILD HOGS. They had short snouts and that is only found with wild hogs. Farm raised hogs have long snouts. The bigger a hog gets, the less you will see it. They are smart and stay in thick areas they know nobody will fuck with them. If you knew anything about hunting, you would know that.
Now, come back and tell me how I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about since I've been hunting for over 20 years and I didn't start until I was 10 years old. You do the math genious.
Go do some research before either of you pop off again with useless banter and shitty info. Dumbass kids hunting deer with .22's.
Land Rover LR3 HSE
I'll solve your smart ass mouth real quick like........banned, dumbass....<------ There's a smiley for you when you come back to post every 2 yrs.:jerkit: Know who you're talking to before you run off at the mouth, stupid.
#1. This is not my fight since you didn't single me out, but I have to make a reply to your post.
#2. The OP asked a very simple question, which you have complicated for some reason. He asked what would be a good rifle for deer/boar. He didn't ask what would be the best rifle to go on Safari in Africa with. He obviously is NEW to hunting, otherwise he would not have asked that kind of question. As such, he is unlikely to have budgeted $2000 for a rifle/scope combo, don't you think?
#3. A 300 mag is indeed OVERKILL for both deer, boar, and beginner. You have 20 yrs "experience", so it may work for you. The OP is a beginner, therefore my statement still stands. IN GEORGIA for 99% of hunted DEER and BOAR, a simple 270 or 30-06 is a very good choice IMO. Ammo, accessories, and general handling of a 300 mag is far MORE than with the other two calibers, which IMO is what a "beginner" needs.
I think you are confusing two different subjects here. The size of the scope does indeed correlate to it's ability to absorb light. You are arguing about cost and quality instead of light. A 50mm scope will indeed absorb MORE light than a 44mm the majority of the time REGARDLESS of cost. Which one will last longer or on top of a 300 mag???? That's another subject all together. But side-by-side, the 50 mm will usually absorb more light than a 44mm. The cost and quality is another subject all together. Again, I highly doubt the OP has the need for a $1200 scope for his first "deer" rifle. He's not a SWAT sniper, right?You're also WRONG saying a more expensive scope picks up more light and won't fog. The larger the mm lens, the more light it absorbs. A 40-44mm lens scope can be expensive, but that doesn't have anything to do with the light it absorbs. A 50mm lens scope will draw in more light, retard and can cost less depending on who makes it. Again, quality. Any scope can have anti-fog lenses. Or you can just go buy the same shit divers use to spray on their goggles to keep them from fogging.
Again, the OP DIDN'T ask what he needed to shoot out West nor the plains of Africa. Just how many grizzlies do you think he'll see sitting in a tree stand in Palmetto, GA????? None. Again, you are possibly correct in your statement, just the wrong thread.I clearly stated a .270 or .30-06 would work for GA hunting, but if they want an all around gun that can hunt out west or anywhere in N. America for that matter, the .300 mag is better suited and a better all around caliber. You can shoot deer, black bear, boar, grizzly bear, brown bear, moose, mule deer, bighorn sheep, elk, etc... All at much greater distances than your .270 and with a hell of a lot more stopping power. I'd like to see you 20 yrds from a grizzly and shoot it with a .270.
True, but so does the 270, 30-06, and even the 308. They also do it for cheaper than the 300 mag.Buy once, buy smart! I learned that lesson the hard way, but thankfully a very old wise man knocked some sense into me after I kept blowing money on different guns when I was younger. There are different grain bullets for different body size animal and the .300 offers a nice range.
You're splitting hairs here. No matter how much you want to deny it, IF you shoot a deer, boar, ANY animal in the right spot.....it's going down. Haven't you ever seen a pig be shot between the eyes with a .22 just before it's butchered? I have. They neither run nor live. They die. So it's not always a function of big bullets at ultra sonic speeds that magically transforms into a "kill". Bullet placement trumps all that 9 out of 10 times. Far too often, hunters......i.e. usually MEN.....i.e. we all have tender egos most of the time......want to blame the GUN on THEIR bad shot placement when they hit a deer and it runs for a long distance or even miss all together.Now, as far as making a kill shot in the heart and it dropping the animal on the spot. WRONG. Can it, yes. Very rarely. A spine shot or head shot will drop it in it's tracks, BUT a vital organ shot doesn't normally drop it immediately. They normally run on a heart shot or lung shot. Lung shots normally they run less because the lungs fill up with blood and the body doesn't get the oxygen to feed the muscles to keep running.
Yall got some deep pockets because the only places to be able to even shoot a Russian boar in North America are pretty hunting clubs in other states.I've seen a friend shoot a Russian boar in the head with a .270 and it blew half of the top of it's head OFF. HALF the brain was missing. Guess what, we tracked that hog into the swamp and lost it. One week later he was hunting the same stand and half brains walks out to feed in the food plot again. He shot it in the lungs the second time, it ran 120 yrds, and we could not believe what we were seeing when we found it. That hog lived over a week in the swamp with half of it's brains blown off. They are tough, mean mother fuckers.
I'm not saying that weird things don't happen, but I'm sorry......I gotta call BS on your half brain still walking around like nothing is wrong boar story. IF half any animals brain is shot off, at the very least they'd bleed out, nevermind that the brain is where motor functions such as walking and breathing are controlled. Just doesn't make sense to me. Again, weird things can and do happen, but your story just doesn't sound plausibe at all. Maybe you should call Mythbusters to prove it and then Guiness to get in the books. Sorry, I don't buy it.
Umm, did you somehow KNOW it was gonna go to the heart AFTER it went through the shoulder? Because that's not where the heart on a deer is. The only way you would know that is IF you're shooting from high above at a very steep angle. IF that was your angle, then it's possible. But if you were on the ground or the deer was giving you the optimal full side profile, then you DIDN'T make a "perfectly placed heart shot" IF you shot it through the shoulder FIRST. That's an oxymoron.....perfectly placed HEART shot through the SHOULDER (unless you were high above it and planned on shooting the shoulder to get to the heart because that's the only profile the deer was showing you).The 1st deer I ever shot in GA was a 180lbs doe in Hancock county and I shot it through the shoulder, it went through the lungs, heart, and back out through the leg on the other side. The deer fell straight down to the ground and pushed itself with only it's hind legs for over 80 yards. When I gutted it, the heart was MUSH in pieces, one lung was fucked, and both front legs were broken. This was with a .30-06 and a perfectly placed heart shot.
Which is exactly why the OP doesn't need a bazooka to kill what he WILL see if he ever encounters a wild boar in the GA woods.The "wild feral" hogs in GA get upwards of 300-400lbs for the larger bodied hogs that are rarely seen. Yes, average would be around 80-120lbs, but the records that were shot over a year ago that I mentioned were WILD HOGS. They had short snouts and that is only found with wild hogs. Farm raised hogs have long snouts. The bigger a hog gets, the less you will see it. They are smart and stay in thick areas they know nobody will fuck with them. If you knew anything about hunting, you would know that.
Yes, there are "Hogzillas" out there, and they are in GA. No argument there. But you yourself said you won't ever see them, so why buy an expensive gun and scope for something you'll "never see"?
Look, I'm not trying to make this thread into some kind of pissing contest. I just know from experience that far too often people go out and buy the biggest baddest wolf of a gun just to support incorrect information. There are lots of variables in Hunting. If I were to go on a Safari in Africa to hunt Elephants, then dur dur, I wouldn't take my 30-06. But the fact is that I'm not hunting in Africa for Elephants.....I'm hunting in GA for Deer. Therefore, WHY would I take an Elephant gun to a Deer fight? To stroke my ego? To be louder than my hunting buddies?
I'll put it to you this way: The absolute BEST hunter that I personally know hunts 90% of the time in GEORGIA with a simple bolt action 270. He kills and fills every one of his deer and hog tags every single year. He hasn't bought meat at a grocery store in the almost 20+ yrs that I've known him. Matter of fact, I have some deer sausage and tenderloins in my freezer right now from him. Point is? If it's perfectly suitable and working for the BEST hunter that I know.......why would I go out and try to re-invent the wheel? Shot placement and bullet selection will play a bigger role in dropping a deer than will caliber, when all other things are held equal (in Georgia).
Anyway, that's my long
That's nothin last sunday opening weekend me and a buddy went in my eg and shot for gave one away and stuffed the Kherson three in the trunk we pulled up to the processor and hey were like WTF
Wow.. Good post. I was going to interject my comments here but decided that it would be a waste of my time.
300 mag.. great round
All other deer legal calibers.. great rounds
Need to spend $1800+ on first deer rifle... not great advice
Need to spend $400 on a walmart deer rifle combo with scope.. great idea!
Like I mentioned before.. shoot what you can afford and are comfortable with. I can promise you I enjoy hunting with my 22 hornet more than my 8mm or 338 win mag. Its so much easier on the shoulder and for the win mag the pocket book.
Only two men ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier. Defend your rights or lose them forever.
Very well put. I use a savage .270 bolt action with a cheap simmons scope. Gets the job done every time.
97 DX Civic w/ H22 FS
woah big dawg and the light non fog thing is if your spending more money the scope is probably gonna be a bigger mm and for your 180lb doe i call bullshit. You are just like any other fucker who stands outside the processer telling bullshit stories about all the shit youve done and how great you are, i know your type man and granted you do know a lot but this guy is wanting a rifle to go hunt in ga not a russian boar or a fucking elephant in africa. I
To answer the purpose of this thread man go to Wal Mart and buy a 400 dollar remington 710 in .270 or 30-06 with a bushnell cheap scope and you will be more than happy with that. BUt after a while if you do get better and become serious buy a 1800 setup.
Its the same way with anyother sport you dont just tell someone who just started playing golf to go buy a 4000 dollar set off clubs they have to get a starter set lol.
.308 works like a charm for everything from 300 yard shots on rams in idaho to 100 yard derr and hog shots in ga. its all about shot placement.
Meh, good gun, but I consider the .308 I bit big for the size deer in Ga.
97 DX Civic w/ H22 FS
308 is actually a very good round. It shoots flatter than the 30-06 with just about the same power. It's a very accurate round naturally.
I would just go buy a remington 700 or 710 30-06 its a very versatile caliber so whether shooting aross open fields or through brush you can by a different grain bullet to do it and will take care of anything you will see in the woods here in georgia
Why? The .308 is actually less powerful than 30-06 and .270win. It uses the same diameter projectile as the .30-06, but the smaller case holds less powder. 168gr rounds are about as high as you want to go in a .308. In the 30-06 you can go up to 220gr and still maintain good muzzle velocity.
I hunt all over the country, and I shoot a 300RUM. Remington has factory loads that mirror 30-06 ballistics, and also has about the same or less recoil as a 30-06. I use those rounds for whitetail here in GA. Is it a great starter rifle? No. I've got close to $2000 in the setup. There are actually some large deer in GA, the trick is finding them. In that case I would use the level II ammo, which mirrors the .300win mag. Level III is full .300RUM power, and is about 30% more powerful than .300win mag, and about 20% more powerful than .300wby. This round works well on very large game (anything in North America).
A .270win makes a good starter rifle. It shoots flat and has almost as much power as the 30-06. Start with something cheap and easy, and if you find that you like to hund and want to start hunting in other places or for larger game, move up to the .30 caliber magnum level (300 win mag, 300RUM, .300wby mag, etc).
Land Rover LR3 HSE
I stand corrected. I didnt know that. Lol My rifle scope and all was probably...400. lol
97 DX Civic w/ H22 FS
Yea the only reason the US military snipers don't still use the .30-06 is because they adopted the 7.62 NATO (.308) round to reduce the number of different caliber weapons in service.
Land Rover LR3 HSE
Jaime, my last statement wasn't directed at you at all. It was directed at the other two bone heads.
You and I are splitting hairs though on certain things and I guess some of our answers are based on our own opinions and experience.
I will say it again, a .270 or .30-06 is fine for GA. I suggested a gun with more knockdown power in case he gets hooked and wants to hunt outside of GA. I know I got hooked into hunting and before I knew it, I was adventuring out west and up north to hunt. I love hunting in the snow!
The point I was trying to make though is, good shot placement or not, I've seen some deer and black bear run long distances in GA with a vital shot. Sometimes they run on pure adrenaline.
The first deer I shot in GA was a doe weighing 180 lbs. Why is that so hard to believe? I'll admit that is pretty big for GA and most deer are between 100-140 lbs.
The biggest deer I've ever seen in GA was a 14 point buck in Monticello, GA and it was huge weighing 220 lbs. The biggest deer I've ever seen was in Kentucky weighing 240 lbs and it was a doe. Deer up in Canada can reach 280-300 lbs.
Jaime, I'm not asking if you believe me or not about "half head". I've got plenty of hunting stories I could tell you that you probably wouldn't believe. That pig with half a brain had maggots all over his head while he was walking around for a week before my buddy shot him again. You would never think an animal could live with maggots eating on it, but I seen it with my own eyes.
Also, that doe I shot in the shoulder was quartering towards me and I was in a short 8 ft wooden stand. That was over 20 years ago, lol. I was hunting a small food plot in short pines. One of the other guys in the club built it short because there was no need for a tall stand in short pines. You can't see shit. It was actually a nice stand with fixed rails from what I remember. I hate hunting pines and I will never hunt them again though, that's for sure. I typically hunt wherever the acorns are or food plots along hardwoods.
Anyway, 8ft off the ground from 80 yards quartering towards me. It took 3 grown men to pull this deer back to the food plot and we were whooped! Lol That was a big fuckin deer.
I believe I met you up at Mahdavi before and you might remember me. Sam knows who I am. Ask him who is the crazy fucker with the birthday a few days before his birthday.
hey jamie...I'M BACK BITCH HA! even though you're a fairy, you make good points (although you merely elaborated on points that were previously established). the fact that you basically agree with the ekcivic prodigy and I must make you somewhat rational (although you weren't rational enough to stay in the closet). man I'll tell you something...it took some balls to ban me, you know being the bigger man and all. hahaha just kiddin...ya fuckin pop tart.
oh and w/e your name is you old hillbilly fuck...let me make this clear to everyone. You're the dooshe that will cut out poster board copies of a rifle and put it your gun closet to make you feel better about yourself. Not only will you make up elaborate and far-fetched stories about how great of a hunter you are...you will try to defend your argument with negligible bullshit that only makes you sound like you knew what you were talking about initially.
this is you
this is jamie (the fanny bandit)
this is the froot loop packin your fudge while you're talkin about wrestling a wild antelope :idb:
#1. This is not my fight since you didn't single me out, but I have to make a reply to your post.
#2. The OP asked a very simple question, which you have complicated for some reason. He asked what would be a good rifle for deer/boar. He didn't ask what would be the best rifle to go on Safari in Africa with. He obviously is NEW to hunting, otherwise he would not have asked that kind of question. As such, he is unlikely to have budgeted $2000 for a rifle/scope combo, don't you think?
#3. A 300 mag is indeed OVERKILL for both deer, boar, and beginner. You have 20 yrs "experience", so it may work for you. The OP is a beginner, therefore my statement still stands. IN GEORGIA for 99% of hunted DEER and BOAR, a simple 270 or 30-06 is a very good choice IMO. Ammo, accessories, and general handling of a 300 mag is far MORE than with the other two calibers, which IMO is what a "beginner" needs.
I think you are confusing two different subjects here. The size of the scope does indeed correlate to it's ability to absorb light. You are arguing about cost and quality instead of light. A 50mm scope will indeed absorb MORE light than a 44mm the majority of the time REGARDLESS of cost. Which one will last longer or on top of a 300 mag???? That's another subject all together. But side-by-side, the 50 mm will usually absorb more light than a 44mm. The cost and quality is another subject all together. Again, I highly doubt the OP has the need for a $1200 scope for his first "deer" rifle. He's not a SWAT sniper, right?
Again, the OP DIDN'T ask what he needed to shoot out West nor the plains of Africa. Just how many grizzlies do you think he'll see sitting in a tree stand in Palmetto, GA????? None. Again, you are possibly correct in your statement, just the wrong thread.
True, but so does the 270, 30-06, and even the 308. They also do it for cheaper than the 300 mag.
You're splitting hairs here. No matter how much you want to deny it, IF you shoot a deer, boar, ANY animal in the right spot.....it's going down. Haven't you ever seen a pig be shot between the eyes with a .22 just before it's butchered? I have. They neither run nor live. They die. So it's not always a function of big bullets at ultra sonic speeds that magically transforms into a "kill". Bullet placement trumps all that 9 out of 10 times. Far too often, hunters......i.e. usually MEN.....i.e. we all have tender egos most of the time......want to blame the GUN on THEIR bad shot placement when they hit a deer and it runs for a long distance or even miss all together.
Yall got some deep pockets because the only places to be able to even shoot a Russian boar in North America are pretty hunting clubs in other states.
I'm not saying that weird things don't happen, but I'm sorry......I gotta call BS on your half brain still walking around like nothing is wrong boar story. IF half any animals brain is shot off, at the very least they'd bleed out, nevermind that the brain is where motor functions such as walking and breathing are controlled. Just doesn't make sense to me. Again, weird things can and do happen, but your story just doesn't sound plausibe at all. Maybe you should call Mythbusters to prove it and then Guiness to get in the books. Sorry, I don't buy it.
Umm, did you somehow KNOW it was gonna go to the heart AFTER it went through the shoulder? Because that's not where the heart on a deer is. The only way you would know that is IF you're shooting from high above at a very steep angle. IF that was your angle, then it's possible. But if you were on the ground or the deer was giving you the optimal full side profile, then you DIDN'T make a "perfectly placed heart shot" IF you shot it through the shoulder FIRST. That's an oxymoron.....perfectly placed HEART shot through the SHOULDER (unless you were high above it and planned on shooting the shoulder to get to the heart because that's the only profile the deer was showing you).
Which is exactly why the OP doesn't need a bazooka to kill what he WILL see if he ever encounters a wild boar in the GA woods.
Yes, there are "Hogzillas" out there, and they are in GA. No argument there. But you yourself said you won't ever see them, so why buy an expensive gun and scope for something you'll "never see"?
Look, I'm not trying to make this thread into some kind of pissing contest. I just know from experience that far too often people go out and buy the biggest baddest wolf of a gun just to support incorrect information. There are lots of variables in Hunting. If I were to go on a Safari in Africa to hunt Elephants, then dur dur, I wouldn't take my 30-06. But the fact is that I'm not hunting in Africa for Elephants.....I'm hunting in GA for Deer. Therefore, WHY would I take an Elephant gun to a Deer fight? To stroke my ego? To be louder than my hunting buddies?
I'll put it to you this way: The absolute BEST hunter that I personally know hunts 90% of the time in GEORGIA with a simple bolt action 270. He kills and fills every one of his deer and hog tags every single year. He hasn't bought meat at a grocery store in the almost 20+ yrs that I've known him. Matter of fact, I have some deer sausage and tenderloins in my freezer right now from him. Point is? If it's perfectly suitable and working for the BEST hunter that I know.......why would I go out and try to re-invent the wheel? Shot placement and bullet selection will play a bigger role in dropping a deer than will caliber, when all other things are held equal (in Georgia).
Anyway, that's my long
ban me again elton john...it was worth it
Stay out of this thread hot shot. Your mouth is writting checks your butt can't cash. Trust me on that one.
This isn't the WL where you can say and do whatever you want. If want to start something with me, go for it......just not in here. You're polluting an otherwise productive thread.
And as for banning???? Next time it will be a perma IP ban. Wanna keep up with your crying? Go find you a bigger crying towel because you are filling up the one you got now.
x2.. lets not turn this in to the WL.
Only two men ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier. Defend your rights or lose them forever.
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