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that is what i'm getting at... in your post you mentioned crimes against children, lieing, stealing... i am talking about LaVey satanism now, there is nothing in there that says that is what a satanist does (as a practice). Now is there satanist that lie, steal, or molest children? Yes, all people no matter the religion are capable of that. Furthermore it is against the Satanic Statements to hurt a child, so that is one part where i do not agree w/ everything you posted as truth.

well in the sense of worship as bowing down praising/praying... that is not 100% accurate. You can be a satanist and not physically worship the devil. Now like i stated earlier, self worship is basically the opposite of what christianity b/c you are putting yourself over divine being; and i did quote LaVey on this idea.

That is all true, but just b/c you indulge instead of abstain doesn't me you are worshiping satan. In that case every person who sin in the christian religion is worshiping satan.

ok break this down w/ an open mind... i know christians who would agress w/ these statements w/o knowing the source I am not christians/satanist and i agree 100%.

Take what i put in bold there are many statements just like this... it is not a pretty statement but it is the true and is reality. You/Jaime/Me/etc.. all do the same thing, so how bad is it if you are more than capable of doing the same thing?



I don't refute the fact that the rituals to speak of satan, but you have to remember this is a Self Worship religion, you can make it what you want it to be basically, i can quote LaVey if need be on this, b/c he and the church flat come out and state that "they do not look for followers, but leaders"... if he wanted to start a cult he would of. It is based on freely thinking can doing what you desire; if thats praising the devil, eating ice cream, grave robbing, dressing in womens clothing, etc... you take it as you will.

I have read the S. Bible atleast 2x, from a reality stand point many of the ideas are on par w/ reality even w/ christians i know, keep in mind i'm not talking about the rituals.

If you want to dress all in black, wave a sword over a naked woman alter, and invoke the devil... but you can just as easily do it behind a fancy suit, interpeting the bible w/ a 1800 number taking peoples money granting miracles

All fine and Dandy. I still believe that he is an attention whore. He took an age old "practice" and tried to make it his OWN. It is like me re-writing the bible and claiming that I am Jesus Christ.

Satanism existed BEFORE Lavey. Rituals existed BEFORE the Satanic Bible which he wrote (or should i say, Plagiarized). Chants and Prayers were NOT invented by him. Invocation of the Devil was NOT his working.

To me he is just one person who took the whole thing mainstream. To try and be cool and be the "boogie-man". And to try and portray a different message behind his own propaganda.

If he did indeed take the phrase "Satanism" for his Church of "self worship" then he indeed took on the wrong name. He should have called it "Laveyism" or some shit like that. The Definition of Satanism is the worship of Satan. He just made up his "own" ideas behind the definition and try to sugarcoat it. But unless he chose to call it something else, it still is what it is. Sorry, Lavey... you do not have Dibs on the word. So by using it you basically know what it is and what it stands for.

I still do not get how it is about "Free worship" if the Devil and Satan are mentioned in his book.

That is like saying that you really believe in buddha while going to a catholic church with a Bible with "God" mentioned in it under your arms. Does not make sense. Why bother?