is this your only defense?Originally Posted by RL...
is this your only defense?
Because a gift that is demanded is no gift at all.
As far as being all-knowing contradicting free will... Not sure how you're reaching that. For example: Just because I knew you were going to buy that Sentra three weeks before even you did, didn't stop you from buying it, did it?
Who said anything about being alone in the universe? To take a quote from the horrid Jody Foster movie Contact... "I'd say if it is just us... seems like an awful waste of space."
But anyway, I'm not going to post in here anymore. The thread is about do you believe or not, yes or no. Debating it is pointless.
"Gods will" absolutely contradicts free will. It's claimed that god is all knowing and all powerful. If I was god, and I knew you were going to murder someone, exactly when, where, and how, and I could do something to stop it, but didn't, would that make "gods will" evil?
NOT debating would be pointless. Debate is a powerful tool we as intellectual humans use to expose others to different ideas and viewpoints and advance society. The great thing about science actually is that debate and peer review is encouraged
I think giving children cancer is evil
he gave you a brain instead of controlling what you do
So then he isn't "all powerful" and free will exists, correct? If god gave us all brains, why would he give some people the capability to rationalize murder, rape, violent crime?
What about cramers example? If all things come from god, cancer, for example, must also come from god. Since we cant control cancer, is it in gods will that children must die from it?
In a way, .blank, Echo is right. No one is introducing anything new. It's all just recycled material over and over again. This is not a topic that can be finalized. The only way to make that happen is to prove or disprove the existence of God. There is no way to convince non-believers to believe just as there is no way to convince believers that there is nothing to believe in.
That's another thing that always has me questioning any high being. If God was great and all loving, why would he have an Earth like this? Or why would he allow people to be born with abnormalities? You ever walk through CHOA? That'll make you question things real quick. Later, QD.I think giving children cancer is evil
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That's another thing that always has me questioning any high being. If God was great and all loving, why would he have an Earth like this? Or why would he allow people to be born with abnormalities? You ever walk through CHOA? That'll make you question things real quick. Later, QD.[/QUOTE]
Just another point of view,
Say we have a operating system, computer programs, and a administrator.
Lets say the administrator designed the computer programs to have free will
These programs were designed to work the operating system in which they were programed.
Now these programs are wondering where and why they came from.
These ideas came from free will is an attribute which was designed in them.
So the administrator uploads a certain application to a program to convey understanding to the other programs on their
level of understanding of why they exist.
No matter how much these computer programs debate an question who and why this operating system works this way,
they will never really come to a conclusion because their just programs with limitations that exist only through
through the will of the administrator.
Lets replace the operating system with this planet earth
The computer programs with humans.
The administrator with god.
An the uploaded application with the Quran.
That certainly never answered the point of my question. Later, QD.
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Indeed.
Plus, following that example, why did god then create computer viruses?
Especially those that slowly kill children who never had a chance to live their life and most likely don't even understand what is happening to them.
Owned.
a lion is a cat, a snake is a worm, a giraffe is a deer, and humans are monkeys
and planets are jawbreakers that spin on their axis, the sun was a planet at one point but it turned super saiyan
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I really hope this isn't how you think evolution works. Lol
I'm sure that he is mocking at this point. Later, QD.
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but...a lion is a cat
that's semantics sir
By "cat" do you mean a Lion is a felid = True
or "cat"- felis catus = False
Makes a difference
Taxonomy is semantics?
The thing is, Creationist vs Evolutionist, there is no taking sides as both are right
There is a bird, i mean pterodactyl outside my house
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Except that creationism isn't based on any scientific fact or evidence
even if god slapped you on the face and left your face tatted with "God" on it, you would still deny it
and like i said...if we evolved from monkeys, monkeys still praise god at the end of the day
???
Plz explain
Ok... I know I said I was done posting... But damn.
Just stop. You're not helping.
If fact you're probably doing more harm, than good.
No, not probably... You are.
If god came down and physically slapped me in the face, and then physically tattooed his name on my face, I would accept that he exists. Would I worship him? Absolutely not. The only written accounts we have are the "religious texts" and according to them, god is evil and not really worthy of me praising him.
It is important to note that "non-believers" don't need to disprove God to make their point because they aren't saying "God absolutely does not exist". They are saying there is insufficient evidence to prove that God exists so it shouldn't be stated as a fact when it may or may not be true.
I am a non-believer. I would LOVE to be proven wrong. Being proven wrong means I just learned something. I like to learn. Unfortunately, believers would not love to be proven that they are wrong.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
I honestly have no idea what you mean, dude. Later, QD.
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What he's saying is that believers sometimes ask non believers and atheists to disprove god, and in doing so, are making a couple logical fallacies. You can not disprove existence of that which has not been proven to exist. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Ahh. I got that. And I agree. It isn't up to non-believers to prove the non-existence as it technically hasn't been proving He even exists. There is a reason that believers aren't going to go to any lengths past telling you to read the Bible for proof, because they know they can't prove it. Later, QD.
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Go to google and type in "Slight Concavity"
If you cum in the ocean it will turn into a amphibian human....in 1 million years though
Last edited by Benefit; 01-10-2012 at 10:35 PM.
brb gotta go swing from trees
So to all the the people that don't believe in god (or a creater), do you believe in a devil? I personally believe in god, I've always kept him in my head weather my day or life at the time was going terrible or great. I believe in him bc I got a second chance from him, I was at a hospital when i was younger, My heart stopped beating for 10 seconds. As far as all of us know, scientist can't bring everyone that dies back to life. Yes they have made the technology help people revive(heart jumper), but they can't do it 100% of the time. So does it mean they choose who can live? or is it completely out of their control?Ive seen mericales around me happen before and I high atheist or any form of universal pole caused this to happen. I'm not here to try to convince anyone to believe in him, but in my opinion I have a very strong believe in god, no amount of scientific theories will make me change otherwise. Hence the word "Theory" appears a lot on scientific facts that have not been proven to be true, So just theories like the scientist say. Just my 2 cents on this topic . . . .
Far too many people say "god is good ___happened today and it was awesome"! There's nothing wrong with believing in something that I don't, but if you think God gave you a second chance than that means you think he controls life here on earth. He controls and intervenes directly who lives and dies. So my friend's 3 year old kid who just got diagnosed with cancer, I guess God thought that he should have a hard life eh? I guess God liked you a little bit more than my friend Joe!?
The bottom line is if you came back from the dead, it wasn't God, or any other spiritual creature, sometimes things happen that science can't exactly explain and some people want to automatically say that just because science cant explain something it MUST BE GOD. It is what it is, something good happened, your life was saved, but don't talk about how God saved your life when he apparently has no regard for so many others.
I don't believe in a creator or a devil. If your heart stopped, you were part of the 99.9% of people that science could save.
The word "theory" doesn't mean the same thing to a scientist as it does to you. In the scientific world, a "theory" is not an educated guess. It is a conclusively tested explanation of a phenomenon. Gravitation is a theory, The earth revolving around the sun is a theory
Dimethyltryptamine- look it up changes the whole prospective of the idea of Heaven of hell.
If I need to explain I will.
I do not believe in a higher being just like I don't believe in Santa. Faith is a way to over come hardships. Christianity is a way to make money. One of the highest profiting company's and the oldest. Have you been to 12 stone? God said let there be a Starbucks and there was a Starbucks. Shit makes me giggle. I don't knock people having faith but you shouldn't say we're all going to "hell" because we don't have the same belief. Believe or not believing in evolution is the same as believing in a higher being that no one has proof of ever existing except a book that states the son of god speaks the words of his father. So If I came to you and preached the words of Santa clause and said I was his elf would you believe me?
Religion has started almost every war. Millions have died because of disagreeing over religious beliefs. Nothing wrong with praying it helps calm the mind to see what needs to be done to accomplish what needs to be done to overcome the situation. I've read the bible a lot so I'm not being bias I'm just a person that believes if I can't smell, touch, see or hear it then its not real. The idea that 2 people created 7 billion is moronic.
Just my 2 cents
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I dont believe in God for a few reasons. In MY life there hasnt been backing for it. I've worked since I was 14, and have been rewarded for such. I've been in accidents that "could have been fatal" but weren't because I was wearing my seatbelt and know what to do to brace for an accident. I dont believe this was "God", just circumstance. 99.9% of what goes on can be explained scientifically/genetically/etc. That other .1% isnt enough for me to believe in God.
Not to mention so much of Christian theories/reasoning has been disproven, and from my experience Christians are some of the most judgemental people on the planet. "Come to our Religion; it is the best, but if you dont believe in it, fuck you" Not to mention the condescending views on Homosexuality is the most idiotic "view" I've ever seen.
Yeah, not my style.
I do believe in Karma, however. BOOM. MIND BLOWN.
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You can't believe in God and then NOT believe in the devil since they are part of the same rediculous story.
So "God" gave you another chance did She?? YOU sir are selfish.
Guess what - I don't pray, I make 6 figures a year. Is the God that I don't believe in showing me favor? Tell me about the things that you pray for that you DON'T get --- tell me about those. What about the MILLIONS of people that God is NOT good to. MILLIONS of devout followers who DIDN'T make it through their next cancer treatment. MILLIONS of people that die and who are more devout Christians than YOU are. But YOU get the magical nod and they didn't?? Laughable. The notion that "well, God is good to ME and that's all that matters" is a CROCK. There are MORE people that She is NOT good too - explain that one. LOL. The simple fact is that God (if She exists) is NOT good to a lot of the people a lot of the time. So you prayed for a job and you got job offers --- "God" MUST be good right? Well isn't that some selfish shit right there if I ever heard it. There are ALSO people who were praying for that same job who got told NO ... where is their God?? What about people that have a good job and lost it, became homeless and died?? What about kids getting pimped and raped in alleys asking for invisible help from "God" that never arrives. "God" is SOO good - let me tell you.
Look sir... in life you don't always get what you pray for, you don't always get what you deserve... you get what you get... and that's whether you believe in God or not. You got lucky to get another chance - and you praise this invisible being for that while that same being let/allowed/caused MANY others die.
So you say God speaks to you? WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU? Do you REALLY think that a God capable of creating all that we can see and taste and touch thinks YOU are THAT special that She is going to take time out of her day to speak to you? LOL. Don't forget --- She also is going to take time out of Her existence to speak to the MILLIONS of other followers too? Interesting. Bill Gates can't take time to speak to a Microsoft help-desk worker in Podunk Kansas, but God has time to speak to you and a billion and one other "believers". I find that interesting. You think that every bible-thumper has been created SOOOO uniquely that you have the "stuff" required to 'hear' from such a supernatural being? What SUPERNATURAL antenna or receptive device are you created with that allows such communication w/ this being?? I mean REALLY think about it... if a SUPERNATURAL all-knowing and all-controlling God as powerful as you claim him to be so much as WHISPERED to you your head would probably fucking explode.
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you seem very angry....
woosah, woosah.
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