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    Default Five Levels of Tactical Competence

    I found this interesting. I would like to think i am somewhere between CI and CC. Where are you on this scale?

    The majority people i know or meet are UI, kinda scary actually. Cant say i have ever met an II.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ignatius Piazza w/ Front Sight Training
    The lowest level of competence is what we refer to as the I I, which stands for Intentionally Incompetent. These are the people who know they need training but they lack the courage and the motivation to get it. They actually avoid training because in exposing themselves to training, they expose their inadequacies to their peers and they fear THAT greater than death itself.

    Fortunately we don’t see the I I at Front Sight very often. I can count on one hand the number of times we have in the last 10 years. In each case, they were sent to us— by their department or by someone who was concerned that this person needed training and just wasn’t getting it.

    The I I does not want to be here. They waste our time, they waste your time. I tell you about them simply because they are out there and you should avoid them like the plague! Because if you count on the I I when the chips are down, they will take you right to the grave with them.

    Then, for no fault of their own there is the U I, which stands for Unconsciously Incompetent. These are the people, (again, for no fault of their own) Who Do Not Know…That They Do Not Know. Unfortunately U I’s make up about 99% of the gun owning population!

    Now I realize that’s a shockingly high figure for many of you to comprehend. Understand that the vast majority of the gun-owning population have never been in a lethal encounter of any kind. If they had, then they would know that in a real gunfight, you are going to be about Half As Good as you are on your best day on the range, simply from the stress of someone trying to take your life.

    This is why all our courses at Front Sight involve a live-fire tactical training simulator. A simulator that’s as close to a real gun fight as we can make it without anybody getting physically hurt. And it’s in those simulators that you will gain a full understanding of the Five Levels of Competence and know you need to train twice as much— so when faced with a lethal encounter, your “half as good as your best day on the range” is still more than enough to win! Sadly, 99% of the gun owning population does not know what I just shared with you.

    Let me give you some examples of the U I:

    The police officer, who only fires his weapon for mandatory range qualification 2 or 3 times a year is Unconsciously Incompetent.

    Military personnel, especially the Reserve Units and National Guard Units, who have not had the opportunity to train with their weapons or live ammunition in the last six months or year, yet are quickly called up and sent off to battle. They too are Unconsciously Incompetent.

    The hunter, who buys the brand new high powered rifle, books the African safari and when the hunting guide places him within 75 yards of a trophy animal, he misses the shot— or worse wounds the animal and now you spend the rest of the day tracking large, dangerous, wounded game. He too, is Unconsciously Incompetent.

    Then there’s the gun owner, who thinks— without having any type of training like we offer here at Front Sight— that simply having a pistol and a box of ammunition is all he needs for protection should he hear breaking glass in the middle of the night. He is also Unconsciously Incompetent.

    This even extends to all those people who have a Concealed Weapon Permit, but have only taken that mandatory eight hours course that the County required. Six of those hours spent talking about where and when they can legally carry a gun, a few hours with some minimal training and a very minimal skills test. Now they’re out there on the street; carrying a gun; thinking that should someone step up to try to take their life, they have all the tools they need to protect it. They, too, do not know what they do not know…

    Now Why Is It…That I Know So Much…About The U I?

    Well it’s because I was the biggest U I.

    I was the gun shop owner’s best friend. If a new gun came out on the cover of Guns and Ammo, I would immediately run down to my local gun shop and buy two; complete with all the accessories they could sell me. I viewed these guns as collectables and art objects, not as tools or weapons.

    Then one day, a relatively minor incident made me aware of my incompetence and I immediately graduated to the next level of competence! I was now Consciously Incompetent. I Knew I Did Not Know And I Knew I Needed Training!

    Well not everyone is as lucky as I was. Sometimes, that sudden realization that you do not know is quickly followed by your opponent’s attack. And if that attack involves lethal force, the only reason you’ll survive is because on that day, at that time, your opponent is a bigger U I than you are! Who wants to bet their life on those odds? I certainly did not.

    So Front Sight’s Senior Purpose; the reason we exist; the reason we’re building this facility; the reason we invite you all to come out and train with us is because We Want To Reach this 99% of the gun owning population and bring them here to Front Sight where they can safely and immediately reach the level of knowing that they need training.

    Because here at Front Sight everyone is a student and this is where we can help them.

    Now when students arrive at Front Sight our next purpose is to validate their awareness that they need and want training and provide them with a curriculum that will quickly bring them up to the level of Consciously Competent because at this level they are now better than 99% of the gun owning population but must consciously think about everything that they do with their weapon.

    Further practice and training will elevate their skills to the next level— the highest level…And for those of you in the room here who are the ultimate achievers; Front Sight’s purpose extends to assist you in reaching your highest level of competence. That would be Unconsciously Competent.

    At the Unconsciously Competent level your weapon craft skills, your tactics, your mindset all become reflexive.

    Now please realize that even at the Unconsciously Competent level— in a real gunfight— you’re still only going to be half as good as you are in your best day on the training range simply from the stress of someone trying to take your life. But half as good at the Unconsciously Competent level is miles above that U I that you’re likely to meet on the street. That not only ensures you’ll survive; it ensures that you’ll win and that’s why we’re here: To make sure that our students, should they ever need to use a weapon to defend their lives or the lives of their loved ones, will in fact win.
    "The 1911 is a collection of subsystems that must work together. Each part must be prepared and fit properly not only in and of itself, but also with regard to the other parts with which it must operate for the gun to function and appear as desired."

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    i've heard frontsight is a crock of shit and they're currently being sued/potentially going under...

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    Well are they??? ^^^^^^

    I was actually interested.
    Can you voutch for your comments or is it something you just heard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by white24d
    Well are they??? ^^^^^^

    I was actually interested.
    Can you voutch for your comments or is it something you just heard?
    Definitely not jut something I heard, just do a google search for front sight lawsuit and you'll get more than enough hits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
    Definitely not jut something I heard, just do a google search for front sight lawsuit and you'll get more than enough hits.
    http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=5882177


    yeah i searched and the only thing i could find was from 2007 so you need to show me a link.

    I am going to the 2 day course from Front Sight this summer so I will be glad to tell you guys what a crock of shit it isnt when i return.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SL65AMG
    http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=5882177


    yeah i searched and the only thing i could find was from 2007 so you need to show me a link.

    I am going to the 2 day course from Front Sight this summer so I will be glad to tell you guys what a crock of shit it isnt when i return.
    http://www.frontsightlitigation.com/

    plus he's associated w/sceintology...

    http://www.truthaboutscientology.com...us-piazza.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
    eeekkkk. weirdo alert lol
    "The 1911 is a collection of subsystems that must work together. Each part must be prepared and fit properly not only in and of itself, but also with regard to the other parts with which it must operate for the gun to function and appear as desired."

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    the big schools have bad raps in different schools. But i belive Piazza is usually on point with his opinions and tactics(the little i have read from him). I wasnt promoting front sight in any way, just forwarding an email that i felt perfectly categorized every person.

    this could almost go hand-in-hand with Jeff Coopers levels of awareness. Something i have been meaning to post for some time now.

    White, there is a 2day course next weekend. 150$ (half off) for GCO members. u still might be able to get in.
    "The 1911 is a collection of subsystems that must work together. Each part must be prepared and fit properly not only in and of itself, but also with regard to the other parts with which it must operate for the gun to function and appear as desired."

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    i wish i could make it up there. interesting post.. I am not sure i agree 100% but its pretty close to dead on. I do feel that to many people go out to the range to try and group the smallest groups possibly. It is effective to a point; however, throwing in things like moving to cover, mag changes, stoppages, shooting moving targets, situational awareness, collateral damage, i could go on and on, start to make it alot more interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truegiant
    i wish i could make it up there. interesting post.. I am not sure i agree 100% but its pretty close to dead on. I do feel that to many people go out to the range to try and group the smallest groups possibly. It is effective to a point; however, throwing in things like moving to cover, mag changes, stoppages, shooting moving targets, situational awareness, collateral damage, i could go on and on, start to make it alot more interesting.

    good points, the best thing for anyone to do is not panic and use your brain. i firefight is night and day different from a target range for sure. even before i bought my glock i was always aware of situations involving anything, but i would like to get a quick release for my magazine for my glock, it makes it so much easier to releoad so i've seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by preferredduck
    good points, the best thing for anyone to do is not panic and use your brain. i firefight is night and day different from a target range for sure. even before i bought my glock i was always aware of situations involving anything, but i would like to get a quick release for my magazine for my glock, it makes it so much easier to releoad so i've seen.

    is a quick release just an extended mag release? Or somthing else?
    "The 1911 is a collection of subsystems that must work together. Each part must be prepared and fit properly not only in and of itself, but also with regard to the other parts with which it must operate for the gun to function and appear as desired."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny
    is a quick release just an extended mag release? Or somthing else?
    something like that, it's been a while since i have looked at it but you barely have to move your thumb to release the magazine. it's like $30.
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    Quote Originally Posted by preferredduck
    something like that, it's been a while since i have looked at it but you barely have to move your thumb to release the magazine. it's like $30.
    hmm. im not 100% sure what your talking about but make sure its not too easy to release the mag like you might find on a race gun. If the purpose of the gun is carry/hd/ etc. last thing you want to do is drop a mag by accident lol
    "The 1911 is a collection of subsystems that must work together. Each part must be prepared and fit properly not only in and of itself, but also with regard to the other parts with which it must operate for the gun to function and appear as desired."

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    most, including you I think would agree: static training is deadly, unfortunately thats mostly all i can do (of course i can toss in manipulations, but moving and using cover isnt possible at my range) until we set up a nice range down at your place
    "The 1911 is a collection of subsystems that must work together. Each part must be prepared and fit properly not only in and of itself, but also with regard to the other parts with which it must operate for the gun to function and appear as desired."

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    i'm heading out to executive security international in rifle, colorado to get the training i need for my career. i havent heard any negative comments about them, as of yet and they train civilians, just as they do for the 3 letter organizations.

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    i wish i lived in a place where i could setup my own range for myself. i always enjoyed paintball much more than just sitting at the range with a real gun. to do some actual tactical training exercises would be badass.
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    lol yeah just what we need, a scientologist with a gun :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
    lol yeah just what we need, a scientologist with a gun :P
    lol. his religious beliefs are none of my business, quite frankly, i dont care what he believes in. also, he isnt necessarily the one doing the training....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SL65AMG
    lol. his religious beliefs are none of my business, quite frankly, i dont care what he believes in. also, he isnt necessarily the one doing the training....
    lol whatever floats your boat i guess. all i know is i get all the training i need right here locally for probably btw 1/10-1/100 of the price (depending on his "specials") of what he charges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
    lol whatever floats your boat i guess. all i know is i get all the training i need right here locally for probably btw 1/10-1/100 of the price (depending on his "specials") of what he charges.
    where do you go?
    "The 1911 is a collection of subsystems that must work together. Each part must be prepared and fit properly not only in and of itself, but also with regard to the other parts with which it must operate for the gun to function and appear as desired."

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    Quote Originally Posted by shagwAg3n
    lol whatever floats your boat i guess. all i know is i get all the training i need right here locally for probably btw 1/10-1/100 of the price (depending on his "specials") of what he charges.
    sweet. where at?

    and i paid $100 bux for the 2 day course. lol not the normal $1k
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    if i really didnt want to know i wouldnt have asked lol
    "The 1911 is a collection of subsystems that must work together. Each part must be prepared and fit properly not only in and of itself, but also with regard to the other parts with which it must operate for the gun to function and appear as desired."

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