the gay people do other things on their knees...lolOriginally Posted by SD STI LOVER
the gay people do other things on their knees...lol
That is the dumbest thing i've heard yet out of you...
thats like saying:
YOU CAN THINK ABOUT WOAHING A WOMAN B/C THAT IS LUST AND LUST IS A SIN SO YOU ARE NOT CHRISTIAN!
YOU LIED SO YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN!
they are all sins, and they all go together, if you weren't christian than they wouldn't be sins... and lets talk about sins... is being GAY a deadly sin???
Then everyone should be able to get into Heaven. Since everything is forgivable. Why even have a list of sins? So most of you take comfort in knowing that all your sins are forgivable, therefore, you commit the same ones over, and over, and over again. "Forgiveness" seems to be the Christian " get out jail free card."
paul i don't think you are getting the idea of repentance...homosexuality is a sinfull LIFESTYLE, you can't repent of a lifestyle if its who you are day in and day out...if you were once gay and then straightened up then it might be a different story...but once again, not for any of us to know or decide
repenting: look at a woman and be like she got some nice hooters and START thinking about what u want to do to her. b4 finishing u catch urself and realize that wrong. ask God to 4give u for thinking like that about her and seriously mean it AND TRY NOT TO DO IT AGIAN.
I am!!! I'm sure God can see that...LoL.
Great statement.
LaurenK a.k.a. Mrs. Nixon
gays and repent like any other... all sins are lifestyles... you can lie/lust each and every day, just as your comment about two girls previous in this thread (i think i was you who said jokingly about two females was ok)... but at your death if you ask for forgivness for your sins then you shall be forgiven.
its like ok, you look at a woman the wrong way it is a sin, suddenly a gun shot rang and your dead. you didn't ask for forgiviness for that sin.... are you going to heaven?
That's why God knows that we are not PERFECT...He is a forgiving God and if he realizes that you tried your best to live up to his expectations, that you are worthy of his love as a Father...you all are looking way to far into this!
LaurenK a.k.a. Mrs. Nixon
i don't consider myself a christian, i am ready to spend eternal damnation in hell if i die today...so to answer your question: NO
i don't pray, i don't go to church, i in no means consider myself a christian for any reason other than a couple of you guys awful classification; i live the sex, drugs and rock & roll lifestyle and i'm going to hell if i die today, tomorrow, next year or probably even 10 years from now. i'll look at a woman the wrong way all i want and i'll make her scream my name all night too...i don't get a fuck...i'm just trying to give the bibles explanation/side of things since i am familiar with it...hence why i've been trying to say "the bible teaches" and "...but my personal belief is..."
i'm with lauren!!!!^^^^^
and i'm stickin with the fact that a gay is not a christian... and i mean that in the sense that if ur gonna ask for forgiveness your supposed to try your hardest to stop that sin.... you don't drop on your knees and pray then look at your boyfriend and say well since i'm down here....
yeah but in order to be a christian the bible teaches you have to repent of your sins and stive to be christ like...living a lifestlye that goes against the bible is not "christ-like" , weather it be a dude that is checking out a woman or a dude that is sleeping with another dude....it just weather or not they do it every day or if they put toward any effort to change.
any guy who checks out chicks and thinks about "the things i would do to her" day in and day out is going to hell just like the guy who is gay day in and day out...if you are stuggling with a sin then at least you put up a fight 'against satan' and that sin....but living that lifestyle is a sin...homosexual or not...living a sinful lifestyle and not repenting (and a truthful repentance) of it will land you a nice warm spot in hell
dude i would stop why your ahead, you keep making dumb and dumber comments... Hetro sin just as much if not more than Homo... a sin is a sin, your comments alone are judging gays which is a wrong, so what does that say for you. maybe you need to drop to your knees and ask for forgivness.
thats last line says it all... it doesn't matter the sin b/c everyone sins, so it is ingrained into your lifestyle, so only way out is to repent.
this is a never ending topic.
yes but having a lifestyle where you are sinning the same sin over and over again, such as homosexuality, is not repenting nor fighting satan against leading you toward sin...so it does matter
Paul you're my brother in the Lord...I'll pray for you...
And Chuck you don't have to go to hell...it doesn't have to be that way...I'll pray for you too.
LaurenK a.k.a. Mrs. Nixon
...and you have to keep in mind that %50 (just a guess) of the people that call themselves christians are going to hell...you can't always judge spirituality by what you see on TV or see from your "christian" co-workers and such because there is A LOT of hypocracy in the church....that just happens to be what drove me away from it all to begin with too
thank you lauren, i appreciate that a lot actuallyPaul you're my brother in the Lord...I'll pray for you...
And Chuck you don't have to go to hell...it doesn't have to be that way...I'll pray for you too.
i do... daily....
well i have never read where it speaks of sins as a lifestyle, can you please quote the bible, b/c now at this point the topic is getting far behind the bible and into the realm of i think it is this way so it is so.
all sins are a lifestyle, b/c they are loosly used as we can see, but from how your making it sound then is that being gay is the only sin lifestyle.
honey you should be praying for yourself b/c i know you are far from perfectPaul you're my brother in the Lord...I'll pray for you...
i don't believe in your god so praying for me wouldn't do me or you any good.
I'm sorry I was busy at work today and didn't join this thread earlier. Some interesting stuff being tossed around.
Bottomline, ironically enough, Paul hit the nail on the head. The ONLY way to be truly forgiven is thru repentance, period, end of discussion. We can dress it up and take it to the dance, but that is what it boils down to.
Sin is sin is sin, with only one being "unforgivable". I don't know why confession is being strictly delegated to death bed confessions, but it is hard to "repent" being homosexual from a death bed.
Just FYI. The definition of repent is:
re·pent1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-pnt)
v. re·pent·ed, re·pent·ing, re·pents
v. intr.
To feel remorse, contrition, or self-reproach for what one has done or failed to do; be contrite.
To feel such regret for past conduct as to change one's mind regarding it: repented of intemperate behavior.
To make a change for the better as a result of remorse or contrition for one's sins.
^^^^the last two really apply when it comes to religion.
what does if feel like not to belive that God exists. especially with your knowledge of the bible. u know so much about it and say that everybody is wrong.i don't believe in your god so praying for me wouldn't do me or you any good.
man that has such a nice ring to it+10 for jamie... by the way if there is a hell i'm totatly there +10 for chuck for the rocknroll lifestyle comment
actually, i was using homosexuality as an example, trying to stay somewhat on topic...but certianly never said it was the only sinful lifestyle...i live a sinful lifestyle and i think i made that clear...but i can make it clear that i am not a homo either...hahawell i have never read where it speaks of sins as a lifestyle, can you please quote the bible, b/c now at this point the topic is getting far behind the bible and into the realm of i think it is this way so it is so.
all sins are a lifestyle, b/c they are loosly used as we can see, but from how your making it sound then is that being gay is the only sin lifestyle.
honey you should be praying for yourself b/c i know you are far from perfect
i don't believe in your god so praying for me wouldn't do me or you any good.
but yeah...def never said that being gay was the only sinful lifestyle...i'm not that dumb/ignorant
and sinful would be an adjective, describing a life full of sin...sins are sins, life is life, and lifestyle is lifestyle...
i was simply trying to make the point that if you do something wrong (sin) day in and day out (your lifestyle) then repenting of it will get you nowhere...an easier way of sumarizing this would be simply saying "sinful lifestyle" ...as opposed to a different batch of sins each day
Paul...praying in general benefits me daily, so either way I'm going to do it! Also, the whole purpose of my praying would be to ask God to guide you in the right direction!
LaurenK a.k.a. Mrs. Nixon
Wait a minute.....didn't you +10 somebody who said that "the lack of proof is not proof of the opposite..."??????? Now, you demand proof before you believe something that is clearly stated in the bible (homo=sin)? Can't have it both ways Paul. One discussion, the one about the bible's truth, you say the bible is false, yet now you will take a bible verse as proof positive that something is so????? Like I said before, "proof" is in the eye of the beholder. You guys that don't believe will never have any "proof" big or small that will ever satisfy you at all of anything.
Again, we can dance around it and microdisect it to death, but the bottomline is crystal clear in not only the Bible but every other "religion's" book of faith: Homosexuality is wrong and it's a sin. Period. No exceptions or loop holes. Is it forgivable? Technically, yes. How? By repentance. Repentance is not gotten by merely uttering the words as your last breath leaves your body for something like that. That applies to EVERY person breathing. Priests are no exception as neither are you. There is no gray area about it. It's like writing it with your hand and erasing it with your elbow. Forgiveness is not a ticket to sin freely. It's a guarantee that even though everyone sins, you can make it right. How and when is up to you to figure out.
heres the thing, i love religion(history), w/ a great passion... i'm just not religious.... i have yet to find what there is to find. life for me will be a never ending journey of knowledge so for me i would rather be up front and say i'm not christian than me say oh i'm christian yet i don't go to church nor do i ask for forgivness or even follow the bible for that matter. i may not be christian but i am not a fake.
i guess to some it is a sad situation, but for me if i'm condemed to a life in hell in your eyes... the only thing i can say is... i guess i'll have time to work on my tan
OKay if the bible says fornication(premarital sex) was wrong, and jesus followed god's word, how could he have any sexual preference at all? or even make an attempt to be gay? even homosexuality is said to be wrong in the bible. so that whole theory has a hole
wow i sure missed this thread today while at work
Val for President
bitch you like to get my shit mixed up... he was making it sound like homosexuality is a lifestyle SIN which basically can not be forgiven b/c it happens daily... i disagress w/ that b/c SIN is some thing daily you have to live w/, i ask for clarification.
you have to remember this is a discussion, if i took the stance well i don't believe it so its not true, i could post that for everything and get away w/ it b/c why... i can' b/c i'm not christian... but i don't i try to make intelligent comments on what i know and believe. some of the comments in this thread basically were stating that gays can not go to heaven, i disagree w/ that, b/c being gay is a sin like lieing...
LOL if that is your idea of how hell is, .... it is not all "fire and brimstone" LOLheres the thing, i love religion(history), w/ a great passion... i'm just not religious.... i have yet to find what there is to find. life for me will be a never ending journey of knowledge so for me i would rather be up front and say i'm not christian than me say oh i'm christian yet i don't go to church nor do i ask for forgivness or even follow the bible for that matter. i may not be christian but i am not a fake.
i guess to some it is a sad situation, but for me if i'm condemed to a life in hell in your eyes... the only thing i can say is... i guess i'll have time to work on my tan
I got free clear tails with my ride.....
You're right.
It's like the ying and the yang circles. Where do they start and where do they end????
This argument is the exact same way. IF God doesn't exist to you, why would you try and make logic about something that's not there according to you????***insert Twillight Zone music*****.....Jesus was gay, but he didn't exist.....the Bible is a fake, but show me where it says in there that Jesus was NOT gay and I'll believe ya......*insert Twillight Zone music again*****......
he could have homosexual tendencies then it could be true...
(that was a joke)
oh your right... fire and brimestone, snake pits, torture wheels, freezing water, force fed, dismemberment, boiled alive... did i leave anything out?
i don't know how i can explain it without you thinking the wrong thing...i know that a sin is a sin in gods eyes but if someone is gay then that is also not only a part of what they do but a part of WHO they are...they can ask for forgiveness for what they have done just as a liar can but until they change who they are as a person then the homosexuality (sin) will continue...
but don't get me wrong...put it in the terms of the liar...someone who had lied can go to heavan just like someone who was gay...but if they are a cronic liar and lie on a daily basis then they are in a daily routine of a constant sin...
someone who WAS gay can be saved from hell, someone who IS gay is going to hell...does that help clear anything up??
You just don't like to be quoted is what it is.....
Lifestyle or no lifestyle it's a sin to be gay, period. If you do it once or do it daily, it's a sin. If you don't think it's wrong and continue to do it forever, it's still a sin. If you do it and then change your mind and suddenly think its wrong and don't want to do it again and you ask for forgiveness, THEN you will be forgiven. It's not as easy as saying "forgive me" and then going home and having homosexual relations again. It's not like that at all. Refer to the definition of repent above. If anyone, including gays, change their sinning ways and ask for forgiveness, they will get it. That's the only simple part. The hard part is actually doing it.
Everyone sins. Everyone may commit the same sin more than once. The difference is that not everyone ASKS to be forgiven AND more importantly TRIES to NOT do it AGAIN. That's the key.
If I get drunk, knowing it's not right to do so, and ask to be forgiven I will be. If I go and get drunk again, I just erased it with my elbow then. I have to start over again. If I don't get drunk when I COULD therefore showing that I have some self-control, THEN I'm fulfilling my end of the bargain by TRYING to do better. Get it?
some of the comments in this thread basically were stating that gays can not go to heaven, i disagree w/ that, b/c being gay is a sin like lieing...
They are alike in that they are both sins. They are both forgiven the same way. If NOT forgiven, both will keep your from the same place as a sinner.
...just found this too...
1 Corinthians 6:9 - Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
goes with what a few of us were discussing in here earlier
Nope... none of that either...
I got free clear tails with my ride.....
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