Obama shifts stance on offshore oil drilling

[Maniacc]

Obama said Friday that he would be willing to support limited additional offshore oil drilling if that's what it takes to enact a comprehensive policy to foster fuel-efficient autos and develop alternate energy sources.

Shifting from his previous opposition to expanded offshore drilling, the Illinois senator told a Florida newspaper that he could get behind a compromise with Republicans and oil companies to prevent gridlock over energy.

Republican rival John McCain, who earlier dropped his opposition to offshore drilling, has been criticizing Obama on the stump and in broadcast ads for clinging to his opposition as gasoline prices topped $4 a gallon. Polls indicate that these attacks have helped McCain gain ground on Obama.

"My interest is in making sure we've got the kind of comprehensive energy policy that can bring down gas prices," Obama said in an interview with The Palm Beach Post.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/nation...6_obama02.html

[Spektrewing386]

its funny how the only political threads that are started here are always against obama, never mccain and he has plenty to cry about

[allmotoronly]

its funny how the only political threads that are started here are always against obama, never mccain and he has plenty to cry about

thats because obama is a typical politician. He says whatever it takes to try to please people, even if it means changing his stance on different issues when he finds out he is losing support in the polls. If you ever listen to his speeches, you will see that he really contradicts himself a lot. Also, he is really going to fvck a lot of people over if he wins the election. Like all democrats, he wants to raise taxes on people who go out and work hard for their money so he can give more money to the people who are too lazy to go out and work for their money.

I have talked to a lot of my friends and friends of friends in college and it seems to me that most of the college students in favor of obama still live off their parents. They don't care that obama plans to raise taxes on the middle/upper class. They don't realize that in a few years when they graduate and mommy and daddy quit supporting them they will be paying the high taxes that obama will impose. Luckily I have enough forsight to see that soon I will be making $80k plus a year, and voting democrat is only going to cost me more money.

[Spektrewing386]

and you cant say the same for mccain being a typical politician?

anyway, we are wasting $12 billion a month in iraq that we can barley pay for, im sure we will find a way to pay for obama's stuff. and i mean actually pay for it, not borrow it from other countries or pull it out of thin air.

[tony]

Is it a shift or a compromise? Hmm, we know what happens when people refuse to talk things out :coughIRAQcough:

[Maniacc]

Is it a shift or a compromise? Hmm, we know what happens when people refuse to talk things out :coughIRAQcough:

Its a compromise, is all. But how far is he going to have to bend over to get the policy he wants passed?

its funny how the only political threads that are started here are always against obama, never mccain and he has plenty to cry about

I personally don't have anything against Obama. Just thought it was an interesting article, is all.

[Maniacc]

Here is my take on the article. Obama said that if allowing offshore drilling was what it took to get a comprehensive alternative energy plan passed by Congress then he'd be fine with it. I don't see the problem.

[Big J]

I think it's called a compromise. One side backs down a little, the other does too, and then they offer or accept concessions for what they, or other side backed down about.


Main Entry: 2compromise Function:verb Inflected Form(s):compromised; compromis·ingDate:1598 transitive verb1obsolete : to bind by mutual agreement2: to adjust or settle by mutual concessions3 a: to expose to suspicion, discredit, or mischief <his reputation has been compromised> b: to reveal or expose to an unauthorized person and especially to an enemy <confidential information was compromised> c: to cause the impairment of <a compromised immune system> <a seriously compromised patient>intransitive verb1 a: to come to agreement by mutual concession b: to find or follow a way between extremes2: to make a shameful or disreputable concession <wouldn't compromise with their principles>

Main Entry:1com·pro·mise Pronunciation: \ˈkäm-prə-ˌmīz\ Function:noun Etymology:Middle English, mutual promise to abide by an arbiter's decision, from Anglo-French compromisse, from Latin compromissum, from neuter of compromissus, past participle of compromittere to promise mutually, from com- + promittere to promise — more at promiseDate:15th century 1 a: settlement of differences by arbitration or by consent reached by mutual concessions b: something intermediate between or blending qualities of two different things2: a concession to something derogatory or prejudicial <a compromise of principles>

The problem with being stupid is any change in stance away from the norm of ones party is seen or viewed as negative because of the undeniable great success partisan politics has brought this country in the last 30 years [/sarcasm]

Obama said Friday that he would be willing to support limited additional offshore oil drilling if that's what it takes to enact a comprehensive policy to foster fuel-efficient autos and develop alternate energy sources.

Shifting from his previous opposition to expanded offshore drilling, the Illinois senator told a Florida newspaper that he could get behind a compromise with Republicans and oil companies to prevent gridlock over energy.

Republican rival John McCain, who earlier dropped his opposition to offshore drilling, has been criticizing Obama on the stump and in broadcast ads for clinging to his opposition as gasoline prices topped $4 a gallon. Polls indicate that these attacks have helped McCain gain ground on Obama.

"My interest is in making sure we've got the kind of comprehensive energy policy that can bring down gas prices," Obama said in an interview with The Palm Beach Post.

Only in America are people this stupid. Per capita we have to have the dumbest mother ****ers on the planet, did you even read the article, or better yet, find another source covering the same story if it was really an important issue to you?

We could play, "I have no opinion of my own based or an actual effort to understand the issue, here's an article I breifly scanned and then reposted to prove my point" all day long.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_107872.html

[Maniacc]

*Babbling like a school girl*
Only in America are people this stupid. Per capita we have to have the dumbest mother ****ers on the planet, did you even read the article, or better yet, find another source covering the same story if it was really an important issue to you?

I did read some of the article, not the whole thing. Doesn't make me a dumb motherf*cker though. Like I said before, I thought it was an interesting article, so I decided to post it up. If your reading skills were up to date you would know that I said it was a compromise.

[tony]

I did read some of the article, not the whole thing. Doesn't make me a dumb motherf*cker though. Like I said before, I thought it was an interesting article, so I decided to post it up. If your reading skills were up to date you would know that I said it was a compromise.

Props for getting involved in politics.

[Lucky DAWG]

OMG SHOCKING!

[ash7]

what obama changed his mind again? oh man... didn't see that one coming.

...maybe he needs one of his famous "breathalyzers" or "inhalinators"
-jonathan

[tony]

what obama changed his mind again? oh man... didn't see that one coming.

...maybe he needs one of his famous "breathalyzers" or "inhalinators"
-jonathan

Right.. cause political leaders should never look at the situation at hand and make adjustments accordingly, that would be disastrous.

[twinj]

he wants to raise taxes on people who go out and work hard for their money so he can give more money to the people who are too lazy to go out and work for their money.

Alot of people aren't born with a china spoon in there mouth. They can't help there current "life situation". You can't call them lazy cause you don't know them personally. Alot of people in that situation it is very hard for them to get the necessities to get a head in life.

I will be making $80k plus a year, and voting democrat is only going to cost me more money.

Who cares???

[Big J]

I did read some of the article, not the whole thing. Doesn't make me a dumb motherf*cker though. Like I said before, I thought it was an interesting article, so I decided to post it up. If your reading skills were up to date you would know that I said it was a compromise.

maybe I spoke too soon and threw you under the bus, sorry, but just sit back and watch this thread go to hell and you'll see why sometimes it's easy to jump too quickly when political threads come up.

[allmotoronly]

Alot of people aren't born with a china spoon in there mouth. They can't help there current "life situation". You can't call them lazy cause you don't know them personally. Alot of people in that situation it is very hard for them to get the necessities to get a head in life.

you're an idiot. I wasn't born with a china spoon in my mouth. I have worked hard to make all my money. People today are lazy. Ask your grandparents what they think about welfare and unemployment. When they were young they got out and worked. If they needed more money, they worked harder. The government makes it easy for anyone to get ahead in life. Anyone can go to college these days. In GA alone we have the hope scholarship, pell grants, and the list goes on forever. The problem is that people today have gotten too lazy to work for anything.

Who cares???

Anyone who is in the same situation as me... i.e. anyone with a college education who puts in a 40 hour workweek.



"life situations"???? I agree that some people may be down on their luck or going through hard times... probably about 5% of people on government assistance. The other 95% are just working the system so they don't have to get a real job. If you disagree, explain to me why so many "disabled" people drive nice cars. Nothing pisses me off more than to see an escalade with 24's parked in a handycapped parking spot, with a handycapped tag, with some 30 something year old guy getting out who looks about as "disabled" as lebron james.

[The12lber]

Luckily I have enough forsight to see that soon I will be making $80k plus a year, and voting democrat is only going to cost me more money.

If you weren't talking out your ass you'd know he only plans to increase taxes for people making more than 250,000k a year.

[Maniacc]

"life situations"???? I agree that some people may be down on their luck or going through hard times... probably about 5% of people on government assistance. The other 95% are just working the system so they don't have to get a real job. If you disagree, explain to me why so many "disabled" people drive nice cars. Nothing pisses me off more than to see an escalade with 24's parked in a handycapped parking spot, with a handycapped tag, with some 30 something year old guy getting out who looks about as "disabled" as lebron james.

Where did you find those statistics? 95% is an extremely high percentage if you ask me. Link to your findings?

Further more, you're moving away from the op and trying to take this thread into the, "Life is not far, I work hard and get pissed when I see other people who don't deserve stuff have better things than me" direction. Does it matter what other people do/have?

Apparently you're not that big of an Obama fan, so here, enjoy this read. http://www.newsweek.com/id/148960/output/print

[The12lber]

thats because obama is a typical politician. He says whatever it takes to try to please people, even if it means changing his stance on different issues when he finds out he is losing support in the polls.
He's definitely a politician, but this is definitely what I'd call one of those crazy compromise thingmajiggers that seem completely foreign to all the nimrods in this country after 8 years of "with us or against us" politics.

If you're going to point out something that he did for obviously political reasons, you should have brought his FISA vote up.

Oh, and what was McCain's much touted proposed Gas Tax Holiday? That was legitimate and effective economic policy and not pure political pandering, right? haha, haha, hahahaha, hah

Or the time he visited Baghdad, came back and told everyone that the capital city was peaceful. So peaceful, he visited a market unescorted and that General Petraeus regularly made trips in an unarmed Humvee.

In reality, he had visited that Baghdad market with over 100 infantry, 4 Humvees (and no matter what bull**** the old man might try to tell you, these almost always have either M2 .50 caliber machine guns or Mark 19 Auto 40mm grenade launchers mounted on the top) and 2 Apache Gunships/4 Blackhawk helicopters circling overhead. When reporters asked infantry in Iraq about the unarmed Humvee comment, the soldiers laughed at the notion of there being an unarmed Humvee in Iraq.

That wasn't purely political motivated lying, was it?

If you ever listen to his speeches, you will see that he really contradicts himself a lot.
Anecdotal

If you ever listened to McCain's speeches, you'd realize he's an incompetent and senile fool. He constantly mentions Czechoslovakia in the present tense, even though the country ceased to exist in 1993. He serves up fiery hot rhetoric on Iran, yet doesn't even know who the country's top executive is. More over, when a reporter corrected him, he insisted that the reporter was wrong. He wants to bomb a country... and he doesn't even know who the leader of that nation is?

Also, he is really going to fvck a lot of people over if he wins the election. Like all democrats, he wants to raise taxes on people who go out and work hard for their money so he can give more money to the people who are too lazy to go out and work for their money.
I had some fantastic teachers in high school. They probably all made about 50,000 dollars a year. I live in a part of the country that's rich in coal veins. People labor there all day, under and above ground in **** conditions, and are definitely making less than my teachers. You seriously think that everyone who isn't in the highest tax bracket is lazy? Because those are the only people who are going to get higher taxes. I think raising the capital gains tax as Obama has suggested is a foolish idea, but making it out to seem like everyone but people living off the welfare state are going to be totally shafted is completely idiotic.

The first thing you should do before you form a strong opinion is have a firm grasp of the facts. You don't.

[Maniacc]

The first thing you should do before you form a strong opinion is have a firm grasp of the facts. You don't.

By just reading this guys first post in this thread, I came up with the conclusion that he excels at useless babble.

[The12lber]

Nothing pisses me off more than to see an escalade with 24's parked in a handycapped parking spot, with a handycapped tag, with some 30 something year old guy getting out who looks about as "disabled" as lebron james.

Alright, I felt like this really needed addressing.

HANDICAPPED PEOPLE WORK TOO YOU DUMB ****.

[Spektrewing386]

but lebron james isnt handicapped.

[Maniacc]

So, has anyone read this yet? http://www.newsweek.com/id/148960/output/print Comes to show that McCain is just as big of an idiot as our current President. Not saying that Obama isn't one too, just saying that these two are both equal when it come's to who will be the better choice.

[tony]

You've advocated for lifting a ban on offshore drilling. Why is drilling there preferable to drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge?
Because the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. I believe that offshore drilling is clearly called for. I think we need to do it, and we have to do it.

Wow, this dude is running for president.

[Spektrewing386]

he cant get the words from his brain to his mouth lol. he could have said "a national wildlife refuge is a protected environment free from major human intervention, therefore drilling there will put at risk the habitat in which is being protected."


i dont like taxes, i dont like stupid unneccessary war, i dont like the spread of the american empire (US missile bases and radar in eastern europe and permanent bases in iraq). therefore i hate mccains stance on foreign policy. plus he has said himself he knows nothing about economics.

[tony]

Who the hell wants to be stationed in Iraq? Want to make the job hard for recruiters.. put bases there in Iraq.

[Spektrewing386]

id like to go to Iraq as a traveler. its the location of the first great civilization, so much ancient history is there.

[The12lber]

id like to go to Iraq as a traveler. its the location of the first great civilization, so much ancient history is there.

I'd love to visit, but I'm not overly enthused about the prospect of having my head sawed off.

[allmotoronly]

Alright, I felt like this really needed addressing.

HANDICAPPED PEOPLE WORK TOO YOU DUMB ****.

lol you are missing the point. I realize that most people who are truely handicapped work just like you or I. They overcome their problems and make the best out of it. I was referring to the people who are not truely handicapped, but just working the system.

[allmotoronly]

The first thing you should do before you form a strong opinion is have a firm grasp of the facts. You don't.

I have a firm grasp on the facts. You are assuming that I dislike obama and like mccain. I don't really like either of them. I just dislike obama and his political standings more. The only reason I vote republican is because republicans don't crucify someone who works hard and makes more money.

In the US people are forgiven for murder, rape, robbery, etc. One thing that is not forgiven is making more money. The more money you make (which usually correlates to how much/hard you work) the more you are taxed. Why should someone who works a 60 hour week to try to further himself be punished by having 30% of his paycheck go to the federal government???

[eViLMunkey]

who cares we need to drill in our own territories so we don't rely so much on outside sources anyway.. people change their minds over subjects all the time what makes it different if they are running for president, they are still human and full of errors

[allmotoronly]

If you weren't talking out your ass you'd know he only plans to increase taxes for people making more than 250,000k a year.

I'm not talking out of my ass. Why is it fair for taxes to be raised on anyone? They are already rediculously high. Republicans lower taxes on everyone. During bush's 8 years tax rates have been lowered in every bracket. Bush's administration even created a new 1st level tax bracket for people who make less than $8k a year (10%). They also lowered federal income tax rates by 3% in all brackets except the lowest bracket. Obama will probably start with those who make over $250k a year (although I don't see how he would do this since that number is in the middle of a tax bracket. The bracket system would have to be reworked in order for that to be possible). Then, like all democrats he will suggest that taxes be raised on all the brackets but the lowest.

I'm not saying I like bush at all. I'm just saying that some good things have come from his time in office. I don't think we should have gotten involved with iraq, and that if we had not people would have a different attitude towards republicans.

[Uscregal]

I'm not talking out of my ass. Why is it fair for taxes to be raised on anyone? They are already rediculously high. Republicans lower taxes on everyone. During bush's 8 years tax rates have been lowered in every bracket. Bush's administration even created a new 1st level tax bracket for people who make less than $8k a year (10%). They also lowered federal income tax rates by 3% in all brackets except the lowest bracket. Obama will probably start with those who make over $250k a year (although I don't see how he would do this since that number is in the middle of a tax bracket. The bracket system would have to be reworked in order for that to be possible). Then, like all democrats he will suggest that taxes be raised on all the brackets but the lowest.

I'm not saying I like bush at all. I'm just saying that some good things have come from his time in office. I don't think we should have gotten involved with iraq, and that if we had not people would have a different attitude towards republicans.

Props for the response. And you guys thought he was just full of mindless babble haha

[japan4racing]

I'm not talking out of my ass. Why is it fair for taxes to be raised on anyone? They are already rediculously high. Republicans lower taxes on everyone. During bush's 8 years tax rates have been lowered in every bracket. Bush's administration even created a new 1st level tax bracket for people who make less than $8k a year (10%). They also lowered federal income tax rates by 3% in all brackets except the lowest bracket. Obama will probably start with those who make over $250k a year (although I don't see how he would do this since that number is in the middle of a tax bracket. The bracket system would have to be reworked in order for that to be possible). Then, like all democrats he will suggest that taxes be raised on all the brackets but the lowest.

I'm not saying I like bush at all. I'm just saying that some good things have come from his time in office. I don't think we should have gotten involved with iraq, and that if we had not people would have a different attitude towards republicans.

well put! reps to you!

i would like to post a question to maybe spice this up a bit....of the ppl that think that raising taxes wont be such a big deal, how many of you:

A: are settled into your career job (the job you may retire from..not the oil change place you work part time at)
B: have purchased a home (not renting an apartment or living with mom and dad)
3: pay more in taxes than alot of ppl make in a whole year

the reason i ask is because if you fit into those scenarios raising taxes will greatly hurt you....maybe its just my opinion...maybe some of you agree with me..we will find out soon!

[JITB]

Has anyone mentioned that both McCain And Obama were against off shore drilling? But McCain changed his views on it and or "comprimised"

[Ran]

Alot of people aren't born with a china spoon in there mouth. They can't help there current "life situation". You can't call them lazy cause you don't know them personally. Alot of people in that situation it is very hard for them to get the necessities to get a head in life.

Do you really support the "distribution of wealth" plan that this proposes? You would seriously take from those that have earned it and give it to those in the lower bracket, in turn punishing work ethic? I think the USSR tried that once. It didn't work out so well.

[BanginJimmy]

If you weren't talking out your ass you'd know he only plans to increase taxes for people making more than 250,000k a year.

Look up the evolution of the 16th amendment and the income tax. Yea, that was only for the rich people too.

[tony]

I'm not talking out of my ass. Why is it fair for taxes to be raised on anyone? They are already rediculously high. Republicans lower taxes on everyone. During bush's 8 years tax rates have been lowered in every bracket. Bush's administration even created a new 1st level tax bracket for people who make less than $8k a year (10%). They also lowered federal income tax rates by 3% in all brackets except the lowest bracket. Obama will probably start with those who make over $250k a year (although I don't see how he would do this since that number is in the middle of a tax bracket. The bracket system would have to be reworked in order for that to be possible). Then, like all democrats he will suggest that taxes be raised on all the brackets but the lowest.

I'm not saying I like bush at all. I'm just saying that some good things have come from his time in office. I don't think we should have gotten involved with iraq, and that if we had not people would have a different attitude towards republicans.

The first Bush raised taxes which resulted in a balanced budget, care to comment? Oh yeah he's republican in case you forgot..

[Big J]

the in coming candidate has to deal with what the outgoing person left. G.W. Bush inherited a budget surplus, and rapidly flushed it down the toilet, so yes, to bring things back in balance, there probably will have to be a tax raise.

[EJ25RUN]

OMG SHOCKING!

exactly. Reading some of the replies is funny. Especially about Iraq. He said the surge was unnecessary but it was proven it was. Obama is a terrible politician.
Makes me so happy seeing that McCain is ahead in the polls today.