30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so.Originally Posted by JDMEK18
Maybe???
And this is really interesting:
http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/bible/bible.htm
I've just been hearing a bunch of religious bullsh*t lately and it's be working my nerves at how stupid some of these people are. It's a vent thread I guess.
It's a debate man. Can't expect there to not be at least some heat.Civility comes in not taking personal offence.
I have.
Never said he wasn't. I never said He wasn't with you and I won't try to prove you otherwise. I just think that modern day churches and their followers are incredibly mis-informed. I'll provide you with more specific examples when I get home.
Back then they had no clue that the Earth was round, so im sure he was just talking about the animals around a 100 mile radius.
WE DO see him doing the same.. We just happen to have different beliefs so your eyes are not seeing what my eyes are seeing...
Its our faith in Jesus that opens our eyes to see what God is doing around us!!
Who? Moses?
And even if he was, who is to say he wasn't talking about Dinosaurs?
I've never said I've literally seen Him... Just felt/experienced...
Unlike your god, they were real
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Because all of them weren't around to see them. The time it's been since Jesus was crucified til now hasn't even been a blink on the historical clock.
Nice, thats interesting! +2 The answers are always there - we just have to have the faith to look for them...
We are always looking to open the bible and it say " JDMEK18" Don't go into Club Nikki's or you will surely die.... Its not that cut and dry - I have to have faith to read the scripture and understand that the Chapters (I don't like to call them Stories cause people don't believe in stories) and experiences people are going through - show the answers to our questions...
Thanks again Kelly !!
I don't get it... He may not have seen all of them, but that doesn't mean he didn't see a few Brachiosaurus' roaming around and related to them in this verse.
Very true, but your misinterpreting what I mean by the trinity. Many churches believe that Jesus, God, and the holy spirit are one in the same. Which is not true. That's what I was referring to.
When you show me proof that He does not exist... i'll stop believing...
just like if i had proof that He does exist... you'd start following... (i'm not gonna say believe because to believe in something you have to have faith.. and faith is believing without seeing..)
Haha, are you kidding me?! If anything he might have seen a giraffe, no way in hell he would be able to see a "long neck." They went extinct near the jurassic period.
thank you mr. archaeologist..Haha, are you kidding me?! If anything he might have seen a giraffe, no way in hell he would be able to see a "long neck." They went extinct near the jurassic period.
i'm staying outta this as per Nates request lulz
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If the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that only 144.000 are going to heaven why are they always trying to convert people? Wouldn't they want to save their own spots?
good... you're off topic anyway...
point of the thread is not if god does or does not exist...
it's about how misled christians are these days...
dork...
Ok so I don't know my dinosaur history.Haha, are you kidding me?! If anything he might have seen a giraffe, no way in hell he would be able to see a "long neck." They went extinct near the jurassic period.
Check out that link I posted though for real...
What's ironic is that when you show someone a Bible verse and THEY ARE HELL BENT (PUN INTENDED) ON WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE......no amount of logic and plain ole reading comprehension will ever convince them of anything other than what they already have ingrained in their head is the "truth".
Kelly has clearly shown that Ran is no Bible scholar IMO. He said some very clear statements. Kelly came back and addressed EACH and EVERY one of them, not with HER words, but with the very words from the BIBLE that RAN swore "weren't there". What now? You want to still tip toe around the FACT that you were wrong when you said there was "no Hell"? Well, she gave you quite a few direct BIBLE verses that showed you were wrong as "HELL".....LOL. It clearly says "H-E-L-L" in each and every one of those verses. So I guess that proves to Ran that somehow it's "not in the Bible"?????I don't know about you, but not one single description of "HELL" is ever good, so I personally wouldn't want to ever purposely go there. Right or wrong?
Hey, it also clearly says in the Bible that we should all "take up serpents". Right or wrong? So you people think that if you don't take that verse LITERALLY and "play" with snakes every Sunday during Church service then we are NOT being a good and Pius Christian?????
This is the funny thing about every single non-believer that I have ever encountered. They profess to be so smart and so forward thinking, yet they use THEIR INTERPRETATION of the Bible to support their belief......yet, when someone tells THEM that they INTERPRET that same Bible DIFFERENTLY which is why they believe what they believe......OMG, OMG......"YOU MUST NOT BE A TRUE CHRISTIAN.....
Until someone shows me a Theology PHD......your OPINION and INTERPRETATION of the Bible, it's contents, meanings, definitions, etc hold as much water as a leaky collander. How come it's "ok" for two people to read the same exact words, yet get something different out of it? Yet when two people read the Bible, there is suddenly only ONE true meaning and that ONE true meaning is only in the eye of the beholder????? How does that make sense? The entire world can evolve, but our thinking and interpretations can't????? Whatever. Keep thinking that. We'll one day see just who was right and who was wrong. If you think about it, Christians have ZERO to lose if they were "wrong". Why? Because if there is no God, NOTHING will happen when we die. If there is, WE will have something good waiting on us. What's the DOWN side again?????That's what YOU should be thinking about. Don't worry about Christians. They're well taken care of. Question is.......are YOU if you die today?????
I work with 7 Christian girls, all teenagers. What do they do every weekend? Get shiitfaced lol
RAN !!!!! Still curious in what god you believe in??? And why do you believe in him?
Umm...no.If the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that only 144.000 are going to heaven why are they always trying to convert people? Wouldn't they want to save their own spots?
Yes, I am. Always seeking answers.
What?
jamie... repped...
Well, according the Christian Bible, I'll be given a second chance when the great tribulation comes. I'd love to be proven wrong at that point. So yeah, I should be okay. Thanks.If you think about it, Christians have ZERO to lose if they were "wrong". Why? Because if there is no God, NOTHING will happen when we die. If there is, WE will have something good waiting on us. What's the DOWN side again?????
And that means exactly WHAT????
Why is it that people always want to say that Christians do nothing wrong? I'd like for someone to show me where ANY CHRISTIAN says they are "perfect". Show me. Until then, you have no point. What exactly is the point? That they make mistakes???? Wooooo Hooooo, you discovered America with that. Newsflash......everybody else but YOU already KNOWS that NOONE is perfect. Welcome to last millenia. What now?
What if you're not ALIVE then?.......
The fact that each of them say they're GOOD Christian girls YET ACT LIKE HOOLIGANS shows how WEAK their belief is. The majority of them say they follow GOD's rules, YET the majority of them DON'T. Am I right? I know I am, I've seen it first hand.And that means exactly WHAT????
Why is it that people always want to say that Christians do nothing wrong? I'd like for someone to show me where ANY CHRISTIAN says they are "perfect". Show me. Until then, you have no point. What exactly is the point? That they make mistakes???? Wooooo Hooooo, you discovered America with that. Newsflash......everybody else but YOU already KNOWS that NOONE is perfect. Welcome to last millenia. What now?
he's asking you what your actual beliefs are and why you believe them... as far as a god/gods/what not....
not asking you if you yourself are curios about the god you follow... dork..
lol...
to some what answer that for you...
Ran is agnostic... to my understanding they believe there is a higher power out there.. they just don't define it as one or many gods... just know there is something out there bigger than us that has something to do with life....
am i sorta right ran?
What you are referring to is known as Modalism. Modalist believe that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all one being that changes forms at different times. Modalism is also what is often used by Jehovah Witnesses to attempt to disprove the Trinity; however, the teachings of the Trinity are that they are three different beings which all derivitives of the same. A true example of the Trinity can be seen in 2 Cor 13:13, May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. And in case you are wondering, I am using a NLV Bible at the moment. I do not have the time necessary at this point to run it through a Strong's Concordence, but it is still close the Greek meanings.
As stated earlier, it is not pagonistic to celebrate the birth or resurection of Jesus Christ on any day of the calander; however, it would be paganistic to celebrate just the date. And as far as the dates originally being paganistic holidays, do you think that anyone actually knows what celebrations Easter and Christmas actually replaced? Therefore, do you think we are celebrating the originally meanings or the birth and resurection of our Savior?
Thats all I have time for right now. It seems that I must go to work and continue to carry the message to the sick and suffering.
Its slow... I promise
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Well, according the Christian Bible, I'll be given a second chance when the great tribulation comes. I'd love to be proven wrong at that point. So yeah, I should be okay. Thanks.
What if you're not ALIVE then?....... Big gamble, don't you think?
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x2.. i was about to say the same thing....
tried to rep ya for that one but wouldnt let me!!What if you're not ALIVE then?.......
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Yup, you're right.
To quiet the talk about dinosaurs, the bible does mention them. I believe its in Exodus (however when i get home i will look it up, i have it marked) that there were creatures that were enormous and have tail's as big as tree's. The only animal on the earth like that is a dinosaur. Not to mention the word Dinosaur was not invented till the mid 1800's very long after the bible was written.
To the other person who said that none of the facts in the bible can be true or proven. It is a fact that Jesus lived. History backs that up. As well as many other stories in the bible. Just like in the old testament it predicted that the Roman empire would happen as well as Ceasar's Empire, years before they ever came into power.
yeah, but as kelly stated... the tribulation is no walk in the park... God filled... church service...
you have to choose to believe in God, where there will be no proof/or even feeling of God... And Choosing to believe in God is certain death... I'm pretty sure you have to become a marder(spl?) to make it to heaven then.....
i wouldn't bank on changing your beliefs during the tribulation man.... who knows when that'll be... and you're not promised a tomorrow...
What verse in the bible says that? I want to see it.
I strongly doubt they would've been able to see any kind of animal with a tail as long as trees back then. Seeing as how Dinosuars have not walked this earth for over 65 MILLION years. Do you know how long that is? You can't compare animals from 10,000 years to them, there is NO comparision.
Stories, nothing more. You did bring up an interesting point though, I've seen shows that speak of the Bible being able to predict the future by uncoding text in it. Still, that's not proof of a higher power existing.
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Originally Posted by JDMEK18
RAN !!!!! Still curious in what god you believe in???
Yes, I am. Always seeking answers.
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Originally Posted by JDMEK18
why do you believe in him?
What?
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So you don't believe in (Bible) God but you believe there is a higher being then us?
Don't you think that its easier to believe in this kind of god because you can create him to do what you want, and you make the rules, really making you the god?
Just thinking!!
Not at all.What if you're not ALIVE then?.......
There's two ways that works, both in my favor.
1) I'm alive for it. I see the biblical prophecies come true and I put 2+2 together. Hooray Jesus!
2) I die before the tribulation. During the second coming of Christ, I am brought back to life and shown the truth. If I die, and come back to life but still don't believe then I deserve what I get.
Also, I'm not going to Heaven. If anything, I'll be at the New Earth.
Last edited by Ran; 07-01-2008 at 03:57 PM.
as he said.. i think it's in exodus... and i think the animal/beast is called a leviathan (or something like that... maybe i'm making that part up!! lol)
This does prove nothing, Im not one to judge or condemn, everyone sins and sin is equal (if you are a Christian, which i am) but these girls might just be claiming Christianity. Just like there are crazy people out there that blow up abortion clinics then say they did it for God. God would never blow up abortion clinics etc.
Also the people that struck in 9/11 claimed to be Muslim. However Muslims practice peace, not attacking others. Im not agreeing with being a Muslim, but just because there are a few bad apples does not mean you can condemn an entire religion. Thats like me saying, well i met 2 guys that are pricks and drive civics, so therefore everyone on this site that drives a civic must be a prick. Its simply not true, or fair to condemn everyone based on a couple of people doing wrong.
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