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07-16-2008, 07:06 PM
Spektrewing386

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Originally Posted by BanginJimmy

If this isnt just a random example you are wrong. The entire time I was in afghanistan I did my own laundry. All it cost me was the price of soap and drier sheets.

must be different for different bases. I'll consult my friends that are in iraq.
but they do overcharge by quite a bit.
07-16-2008, 07:09 PM
BanginJimmy

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Originally Posted by Spektrewing386

Im sorry to break your heart, jimmy. but government contracts arnt socialized. the government is a client of the company... not the other way around.

I never said govt contracts are socialized. I said Obama's healthcare plan was socialist.

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Originally Posted by Spektrewing386

But whats weird is when a top member of the government is associated with the contracted company (yeah you know what i mean)

I have always have a problem with KBR and Cheney's association with them. Even if it is 100% legitwhich I dont think it is, it still reeks of corruption. That alone should have been enough to take them out of the running for the contract.

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Originally Posted by Spektrewing386

But its all about the people at the top. Anyone can make anything bad and poorly run, doesnt matter if its socialized or not.

But no one can do this as effectivly as our govt. There isnt a single govt run program that isnt burried in fraud and some programs actually have the cost of fraud added into the budget.
07-16-2008, 07:11 PM
BanginJimmy

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Originally Posted by Spektrewing386

must be different for different bases. I'll consult my friends that are in iraq.
but they do overcharge by quite a bit.

If its like it was in Afghanistan then the contractor actually has to buy the water and have it trucked into the base, or buy the cleaned grey water from the govt to do the job. That greatly increases the costs for them. When I was there it worked out to about $5 a week for 2 laundry bags.
07-16-2008, 09:24 PM
Lucky DAWG

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Originally Posted by Spektrewing386

Did you read someone else's post and accidently respond to mine?

You cant be farther than what i was talking about.

for example. it costs the government $100 to have the company do 1 load of laundry. When the soldiers claim they can do it better themselves, they are forbidden to and must hand their laundry over to the contracted company.

???? I wasnt talking out the soldiers weapons or combat equipment. I dont know how you came to that conclusion.

You really didnt get the jist of my post did you?

Anyway, I see how some people are freaking out over socialized healthcare saying its going to suck. Have you forgotten that our education system is socialized? Just about every education system in the world is socialized.
If you say that we cant afford it, then take comfort that we wont be spending $12 billion a month for the next 4 years for something that should have never happened.

When I talk about the war I sometimes forget im in a die hard red state.

if that wasn't your point then you are right, i have no idea what you are trying to get at, it seemed pretty literal.

and education isn't really a big concern of mine to be completely honest with you, i know it should be but there are much higher priorities to me.

I went to a private school, and i will be sending my children to a private school for lower education. atleast from middle school to highschool, when they get to 10th or 11th grade i will let them decide for themselves.

But i know that middle school is pretty much the key time in a kid's life where in the public systems around here it pretty much decides what kind of kid they are going to be from innocent elementary school student to being introducted to some delinquit activites and drugs.

I know i would have probably gone down a much different road if i had went to marietta middle school, the highschool wasn't so bad; but the middle school blew.

So pretty much what i'm saying is it will have to do a big turn around before i even consider sending my kid through the system.
07-16-2008, 09:27 PM
Lucky DAWG

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Originally Posted by BanginJimmy

I never said govt contracts are socialized. I said Obama's healthcare plan was socialist.

I have always have a problem with KBR and Cheney's association with them. Even if it is 100% legitwhich I dont think it is, it still reeks of corruption. That alone should have been enough to take them out of the running for the contract.

But no one can do this as effectivly as our govt. There isnt a single govt run program that isnt burried in fraud and some programs actually have the cost of fraud added into the budget.

Exactly.

it sounds like you have a problem with the nature and definition of what a government is in general, not party policy.
07-17-2008, 12:50 AM
The12lber

Haliburton and by association KBR have been proven to be intentionally overcharging. There have also been a number of rapes of female KBR employees by male KBR employees. In one of the cases in question the victim was ordered by KBR executives to be imprisoned in a cargo container for days under armed guard to keep the rape quiet. Contractors seem to think Iraq is the wild west, and to them it might as well be.

Rape and corruption. Sounds like what America's become under the Bush Adminstration. Its nice to be known in parts of the international community as the world's biggest exporter of fear and violence.
07-17-2008, 02:36 AM
Lucky DAWG

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Originally Posted by The12lber

Haliburton and by association KBR have been proven to be intentionally overcharging. There have also been a number of rapes of female KBR employees by male KBR employees. In one of the cases in question the victim was ordered by KBR executives to be imprisoned in a cargo container for days under armed guard to keep the rape quiet. Contractors seem to think Iraq is the wild west, and to them it might as well be.

Rape and corruption. Sounds like what America's become under the Bush Adminstration. Its nice to be known in parts of the international community as the world's biggest exporter of fear and violence.

You are so full of **** its not even funny.

America is not as badly viewed as you think, it is mostly in widely conservative countries for our morals and ideals, such as borderline fascist regimes in the middle east.

And since when were we not about that?

rapeing and assaulting of indians
slavery
brutal annexation of hawaii
Control in the carribean

don't act like this is a recent development and put it on Bush, the only reason you think it is, is because instead of reading a history book you decide to watch MSNBC all day. Congratulations now due to Television and the internet combining forces you get your BS spread faster.

I have no idea how someone can say something so blasphemous, i love America but we are by no means perfect; catch a clue and realize that this has been going on since our conception as a country; not to mention any other country that has ever been in the position of any sort of power in the world stage.
07-17-2008, 04:01 AM
The12lber

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Originally Posted by Lucky Dawg

You are so full of **** its not even funny.

America is not as badly viewed as you think, it is mostly in widely conservative countries for our morals and ideals, such as borderline fascist regimes in the middle east.

You're probably referring to our widely publicized enemy, Iran, seeing as how they're the only nation in the Middle East that isn't playing ball with us in some way/shape form. They are in fact a democracy. Other countries such as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan which are allied with us are in fact dictatorships. Irony lolz?

And no, we've got a pretty negative Rep in Europe/Asia as well. And how do you think they feel about us in Iraq?

The only place they actually like us is Africa, probably because we give them our pocket change for food and medication.

And since when were we not about that?

rapeing and assaulting of indians
slavery
brutal annexation of hawaii
Control in the carribean
And women couldn't vote, blacks lived in an Apartheid like system for years after slavery, etc, etc.

Those things you mentioned? They all happened OVER A HUNDRED YEARS AGO.

You pulling up centuries old examples of injustice perpetrated by America to make it slightly more acceptable that these things occur now is pathetic.

don't act like this is a recent development and put it on Bush, the only reason you think it is, is because instead of reading a history book you decide to watch MSNBC all day. Congratulations now due to Television and the internet combining forces you get your BS spread faster.

I have no idea how someone can say something so blasphemous, i love America but we are by no means perfect; catch a clue and realize that this has been going on since our conception as a country; not to mention any other country that has ever been in the position of any sort of power in the world stage.

So, short version is.

I AM ACTUALLY NOT FULL OF ****, BUT I AM IN FACT CORRECT, AND THE ONLY DEFENSE YOU COULD OFFER UP TO JUSTIFY OUR CURRENT ACTIONS IS.

LOOK WE DID IT BEFORE A LONG TIME AGO SO NO BIGGY.

Also, I'm better educated on History than you will ever hope to be so don't accuse me of being misinformed based on your negative perceptions of MSNBC. I don't watch Network News, and even if I did you don't know that ****tard.
07-17-2008, 12:15 PM
Lucky DAWG

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Originally Posted by The12lber

So, short version is.

I AM ACTUALLY NOT FULL OF ****, BUT I AM IN FACT CORRECT, AND THE ONLY DEFENSE YOU COULD OFFER UP TO JUSTIFY OUR CURRENT ACTIONS IS.

LOOK WE DID IT BEFORE A LONG TIME AGO SO NO BIGGY.

Also, I'm better educated on History than you will ever hope to be so don't accuse me of being misinformed based on your negative perceptions of MSNBC. I don't watch Network News, and even if I did you don't know that ****tard.

no the short version is that what is going on now pales in comapirison to the past period.

Bush would have gotten flames if he didn't do anything, and would have gotten flamed (as he did) for doing something, its a lose lose situtation.

Between this and the other threads i've seen from you recently, you post some retarded ****
07-17-2008, 03:27 PM
truetoknow

Yes he will.
07-17-2008, 07:24 PM
The12lber

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Originally Posted by Lucky Dawg

no the short version is that what is going on now pales in comapirison to the past period.

Bush would have gotten flames if he didn't do anything, and would have gotten flamed (as he did) for doing something, its a lose lose situtation.

About what? Iraq? His Administration created the hype leading up to the war, so no, not really.

Between this and the other threads i've seen from you recently, you post some retarded ****

Alright big guy. Don't provide examples or anything, just slander me, its what smart people do.

Since 1960, pre-emptive wars for resources, overthrow of Democratically elected governments (HELLO IRAN)... for resources, support of Dictatorial Governments (unsurprisingly, usually for resources as well as strategic influence), indefinite detention, torture at home and torture abroad (extraordinary rendition), heavily unregulated programs of assassination (Phoenix Program lolz), etc.

We've still got some pretty heavy hitting **** going on. Try again.

As a side note, you are the one posting retarded **** for being totally misinformed, not me. The idea that the Iraq situation just presented itself and Bush acted decisively is major lolz. Former Bush DoD officials have said themselves they pressed the issue. They even admitted it on the ****ing Daily Show. Do you get your cue cards from Cheney or something? At least he can spell.
07-17-2008, 07:43 PM
BanginJimmy

What pre-emptive war for resources? I know we have supplied several groups in proxy wars against anti-american countries. That would include Iran, Soviet Union, China, and Vietnam.
07-17-2008, 08:51 PM
TopSpeedInc

The guy wants to charge 30 percent on all capital gains. F that, if I sell my house and make 100k profit I will be damned if I am giving the government 30k.

Doug
07-17-2008, 09:02 PM
The12lber

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Originally Posted by BanginJimmy

What pre-emptive war for resources?
How about Iraq? Ever read the papers of the Project for the New American Century? It outlines a scenario a lot like what occurred in Iraq. Control middle eastern countries, control the oil, deny other countries the petroleum to hinder economic growth and allow America to maintain world economic dominance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project...erican_Century

Lots of Bush administration members were also members of the Project for the New American Century.
I know we have supplied several groups in proxy wars against anti-american countries. That would include Iran, Soviet Union, China, and Vietnam.

We never supplied anyone with weapons to fight the Chinese unless you count a couple of Tibetans being in the employ of the CIA, and throughout the Cold War they could probably be considered conversely as much Ally as Enemy after the Sino-Soviet split of the 1960s.

More over, I hope nobody is dumb enough to mistake China for an enemy now. Aside from the fact that no other nation's armed forces even approach the capabilities required to challenge the total dominance the United States can produce, they're our biggest trading partner.

Vietnam was also not "Anti-American" - The Vietnamese, North and South respectively, were fighting to maintain their own sovereignty and reunite the nation under one Government.

Iran is an interesting case - no doubt they were and to some degree still are anti-American - don't mistake the words of Ahmadinejad for the feelings of the populace, the younger generation is very progressive and the President is in fact very unpopular and not in charge of foreign policy- but were they so much of a threat that it warranted arming Iraq with biological and chemical weapons? Which were later employed against U.S troops (the irony here is we were also arming Iran, see Iran-Contra) Yes, U.S. troops were exposed to chemical weapons during the Gulf War through direct or indirect deployment.

Early warning chemical detectors went off nearly 18,000 individual times during the Gulf War, rendering them useless because of providing too many false positives. Troops were therefore exposed to trace levels of chemical weapons, producing what's known today as Gulf War syndrome, symptoms of which are high incidences of cancer and birth defects in offspring. This is commonly blamed on DU, this is inccorect, there is no scientific evidence to support the idea DU has this effect on humans. Mustard Gas, however, is well documented in medical literature as being a highly mutagenic/carcinogenic compound.

It would be foolish to say it was Ronald Reagan's fault this happened, but his irresponsible facilitiation of chemical weapons proliferation is certainly related to the health problems of hundreds of thousands of U.S. and British troops and their children.
07-17-2008, 09:07 PM
tony

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Originally Posted by TopSpeedInc

The guy wants to charge 30 percent on all capital gains. F that, if I sell my house and make 100k profit I will be damned if I am giving the government 30k.

Doug

I am in completely agreeable with that, raising capital gains has an adverse effect on revenues.. lowering it actually encourages investment and usually brings in more tax revenue.
07-17-2008, 09:19 PM
The12lber

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Originally Posted by tony

I am in completely agreeable with that, raising capital gains has an adverse effect on revenues.. lowering it actually encourages investment and usually brings in more tax revenue.

Agreed. I'm honestly flabbergasted Obama is dumb enough to say he would do this, especially considering he apparently sees the fallacies of the proposed gas-tax holiday.

Pandering rhetoric only perhaps? I don't know. Personally, after the FISA incident, I think he's a pretty big douchebag.

Less of a douchebag than McCain, but definitely still on my **** list.
07-17-2008, 09:19 PM
BanginJimmy

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Originally Posted by The12lber

We never supplied anyone with weapons to fight the Chinese

How about the S. Koreans? In Vietnam we dealt with alot of Soviet influance.

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Originally Posted by The12lber

More over, I hope nobody is dumb enough to mistake China for an enemy now. Aside from the fact that no other nation's armed forces even approach the capabilities required to challenge the total dominance the United States can produce, they're our biggest trading partner.

China is absolutely an ememy. Not only have they said they would attack US intrests in Asia if we were to support Taiwan, but they have passed a law to that effect. Their military is about a decade behind us as far as technology goes. Their Navy is a joke and their army is just a mass on conscripts. There are alot of them, but they really dont pose much of a military threat to us. Their Airforce is large and they do have modern weapons thanks to the good ole USA.

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Originally Posted by The12lber

Vietnam was also not "Anti-American" - The Vietnamese, North and South respectively, were fighting to maintain their own sovereignty and reunite the nation under one Government.

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Actually Soviet backed communists invaded the democratic south. The US was asked by the french for help and we went in slowly at first and continually increased in numbers until 1968.
07-17-2008, 09:28 PM
The12lber

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Originally Posted by BanginJimmy

How about the S. Koreans? In Vietnam we dealt with alot of Soviet influance.

China became involved in the conflict on the side of North Korea and we fought them as well. We weren't supplying South Korea with weapons to destabilize China.

In regards to the Soviet Union, I was under the impression you were talking about Afghanistan. There was Soviet Influence, yes, but that doesn't really mean we were arming proxies against them - we were arming proxies against their proxies (and fighting said proxies with our own troops).

China is absolutely an ememy. Not only have they said they would attack US intrests in Asia if we were to support Taiwan, but they have passed a law to that effect.
Well, that would make sense. Taiwan is actually called the "Republic of China", how do you think China feels about that? That it's a chinese problem. It would seem logical that if we intervened in a conflict on the behalf of the Taiwanese that we would be enemies to China seeing as how, you know, it would be an armed conflict.

They're not our enemy because they said if we attack them on behalf of Taiwan they'd attack us back. Use your brain.
Their military is about a decade behind us as far as technology goes.
Farther than that.
Their Navy is a joke and their army is just a mass on conscripts. There are alot of them, but they really dont pose much of a military threat to us. Their Airforce is large and they do have modern weapons thanks to the good ole USA.
Actually, most of their military technology comes from collaborative efforts with Russia and China's biggest arms dealer, Israel.

Russia will probably find this to be unfortuitous when China claims Russia's resources in 30 years via armed conflict after becoming tired of subsidizing its resource needs to other nations.

Actually Soviet backed communists invaded the democratic south. The US was asked by the french for help and we went in slowly at first and continually increased in numbers until 1968.
Which is actually in total agreement with what I said. You really showed me by restating what I said in more words.

Regardless, it demonstrates the fact that it wasn't an issue of Vietnam being "anti-american" pretty clearly.

End of story
07-18-2008, 01:50 AM
nismo_b14

bunch of haters, obama 08!
07-18-2008, 07:04 AM
BanginJimmy

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Originally Posted by The12lber

China became involved in the conflict on the side of North Korea and we fought them as well. We weren't supplying South Korea with weapons to destabilize China.

no we were not trying to destabalize anyone in Korea, nor were we in Vietnam. In both cases though we supplied weapons to the noncommunist side before we sent troops in large numbers.

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Originally Posted by The12lber

In regards to the Soviet Union, I was under the impression you were talking about Afghanistan. There was Soviet Influence, yes, but that doesn't really mean we were arming proxies against them - we were arming proxies against their proxies (and fighting said proxies with our own troops).

In Afghanistan we supplied the mujihideen against the soviet union. That is us fighting a proxy war.

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Originally Posted by The12lber

Well, that would make sense. Taiwan is actually called the "Republic of China", how do you think China feels about that? That it's a chinese problem. It would seem logical that if we intervened in a conflict on the behalf of the Taiwanese that we would be enemies to China seeing as how, you know, it would be an armed conflict.

Taiwan (The Republic of China) has a democraticly elected govt and its no secret that they have been working on sucession for years. If mainland China(Peoples Republic of China) was to invade a democratic country then the US would continue to do what it has done since the end of WWII and that is to fight the spread of communism.

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Originally Posted by The12lber

They're not our enemy because they said if we attack them on behalf of Taiwan they'd attack us back. Use your brain.

It doesnt even need to be militarily that we support Taiwan. If the US was to recognize Taiwan as a sovereign nation the law China passed would allow their govt to attack US intrests.

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Originally Posted by The12lber

Farther than that.

in same areas yes, in some no. Their sub force is well behind ours. Their army is very low tech, but it is gaining quickly. Their airforce on the other hand is top notch. They have top flight fighters in the Su-34 I believe it is, and they have alot of them. Their surface to air missle systems are also some of the best in the world thanks to the French.

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Originally Posted by The12lber

Russia will probably find this to be unfortuitous when China claims Russia's resources in 30 years via armed conflict after becoming tired of subsidizing its resource needs to other nations.

I agree with you on this. China desperatly needs room and natural resources. Russia has tons of both that are not ebing used in Siberia. The weather kind of sucks there, but thats not the main concern.
07-18-2008, 07:05 AM
BanginJimmy

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Originally Posted by yangsta101

bunch of haters, obama 08!

yes I do hate higher taxes and more govt intrusion into my life.
07-18-2008, 08:04 AM
The12lber

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Originally Posted by BanginJimmy

no we were not trying to destabalize anyone in Korea, nor were we in Vietnam. In both cases though we supplied weapons to the noncommunist side before we sent troops in large numbers.

Yeah, and that was exactly my point.

In Afghanistan we supplied the mujihideen against the soviet union. That is us fighting a proxy war.

Isn't that exactly what I intimated?

Taiwan (The Republic of China) has a democraticly elected govt and its no secret that they have been working on sucession for years. If mainland China(Peoples Republic of China) was to invade a democratic country then the US would continue to do what it has done since the end of WWII and that is to fight the spread of communism.

Obviously, its worth risking total nuclear armageddon to save a widely agreed to be corrupt government at the expense of American lives. Obviously.

If China invades, we will not step in. Count on it.

in same areas yes, in some no. Their sub force is well behind ours. Their army is very low tech, but it is gaining quickly. Their airforce on the other hand is top notch. They have top flight fighters in the Su-34 I believe it is, and they have alot of them. Their surface to air missle systems are also some of the best in the world thanks to the French.

The power of our stealth technology totally negates any said advantages. Thousands of combat sorties against highly modern and concentrated anti-aircraft systems, only one combat loss.

I agree with you on this. China desperatly needs room and natural resources. Russia has tons of both that are not ebing used in Siberia. The weather kind of sucks there, but thats not the main concern.

Its inevitable. And China will crush Russia like a bug.
07-18-2008, 08:06 AM
The12lber

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Originally Posted by BanginJimmy

yes I do hate higher taxes and more govt intrusion into my life.

Any government likes more intrusion in your life, Democrat Republican etc. Obama voted for the new FISA bill, care to guess if McCain did? I'm willing to bet he did, if he was there for the vote that is.
07-18-2008, 08:17 AM
4DRGSR

It really doesn't matter who you vote for. Voting= picking the lessor of two evils. Either way, money is going to sway all decisions made in washington, trust me, i just left there, and i worked for the govt. I have seen the evil of man come out more than once, all the while making money under the table.
07-18-2008, 08:21 AM
EJ25RUN

I want to start a thread,

Obama's Flip Flop of the day:
07-18-2008, 08:28 AM
BanginJimmy

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Originally Posted by The12lber

Any government likes more intrusion in your life, Democrat Republican etc. Obama voted for the new FISA bill, care to guess if McCain did? I'm willing to bet he did, if he was there for the vote that is.

I agree with both of these canidates, but true conservatives do not. McCain is far from a conservative.
07-18-2008, 09:14 AM
The12lber

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Originally Posted by BanginJimmy

I agree with both of these canidates, but true conservatives do not. McCain is far from a conservative.

I think Obama's a pretty big douchebag for support FISA - something that clearly violates the constitution, you know, the club handbook that the government frequently doesn't follow despite all laws having to adhere to it. More over, he said he wouldn't - and then did.

McCain, as well as being far from a conservative, is an even larger douchebag. Aside from being totally incompetent as a policy maker and being totally misinformed of the world around (thought Czcechoslovakia was still in existence, this nation in fact disintegrated in 1992, didn't know who Iran's top executive was and when he was corrected by a reporter told the reporter he was wrong, etc), the whole Veteran thing he commonly falls back on makes me laugh. If crashing a few aircraft (one time, he actually flew one through some power lines in Spain), flying a handful of combat sorites and being held captive - while in the process making countless anti-American statements - qualifies you to be president, I think my experience playing Command and Conquer is legit too.
07-18-2008, 12:10 PM
BanginJimmy

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Originally Posted by The12lber

I think Obama's a pretty big douchebag for support FISA - something that clearly violates the constitution, you know, the club handbook that the government frequently doesn't follow despite all laws having to adhere to it. More over, he said he wouldn't - and then did.

McCain, as well as being far from a conservative, is an even larger douchebag. Aside from being totally incompetent as a policy maker and being totally misinformed of the world around (thought Czcechoslovakia was still in existence, this nation in fact disintegrated in 1992, didn't know who Iran's top executive was and when he was corrected by a reporter told the reporter he was wrong, etc), the whole Veteran thing he commonly falls back on makes me laugh. If crashing a few aircraft (one time, he actually flew one through some power lines in Spain), flying a handful of combat sorites and being held captive - while in the process making countless anti-American statements - qualifies you to be president, I think my experience playing Command and Conquer is legit too.

I think you ahve summed things up pretty nicely. My vote will still go for McCain though because of the facts that he A. Supports staying in Iraq to finish the job. And B. he wont raise taxes nearly as much as Obama will.
07-21-2008, 09:59 AM
The12lber

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Originally Posted by Lucky Dawg

Between this and the other threads i've seen from you recently, you post some retarded ****

A few days after the fact, I'm disappointed that you were bold enough to in less words call me a retard but not quite bold enough to back it up with a developed argument.

Apparently you can be enough of a ***** to be afraid on the internet. :crazy:
07-21-2008, 10:16 AM
Lucky DAWG

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Originally Posted by The12lber

A few days after the fact, I'm disappointed that you were bold enough to in less words call me a retard but not quite bold enough to back it up with a developed argument.

Apparently you can be enough of a ***** to be afraid on the internet. :crazy:

I'm just **** talking man, its a forum :cheers:

We will all have different views when it comes to politics, you will never know until it happens.
07-21-2008, 01:01 PM
R3RUN

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Originally Posted by The12lber

I'm sorry, I forgot that all you have to do to be liberal is denounce Bush and all you have to do to be conservative is agree with him. My bad smart guy :_(

Unfortunately, I am not as smart as you to only concern myself with these things. I actually looked at the details because I am, clearly, retarded.

Fox news mostly plays host to xenophobia, homophobia, ethnocentricity, undisquised racism, warmongering, proponents of widening surveillance with diminishing civil rights, douchebags who insist its "enhanced interrogation" - not torture- and an occassional rich white guy who explains that the super rich and corporations turning record profits still have it just as bad as you. This isn't actually conservatism. This is idiocy with a neo-conservative (the inbred fourth cousin's once removed roommate of true conservatism) twist.

But seriously - no sarcasm - you obviously have no understanding of politics or what conservatism/liberalism are and lack anything greater than superficial understanding of what you see.

Wow, I'm digging this post up but whatever.

Right, Fox is still conservative and CNN is still liberal. Call Fox whatever you need to distance them but it doesn't change their political agenda. Pointing out the obvious has nothing to do do with my understanding of politics or my intelligence level. Sorry if I didn't feel like elaborating on a well known fact. To be honest I don't like either, they both lie to me from the minute I turn on the TV telling me they are "fair" or "balanced", its all bull****.

Politics in this country is pretty basic. It's a competition of who can kiss the most ass without getting **** on their face.
07-21-2008, 01:36 PM
The12lber

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Originally Posted by R3RUN

Wow, I'm digging this post up but whatever.

Right, Fox is still conservative and CNN is still liberal.

You're basing this on what the popular perception of conservatism is, not what actual conservative political philosophy in the United States is about. What Fox News pushes is actually Neo-Conservatism with a healthy dose of non politically alligned idiocy, it has a lot more in common with leftist Trotskyism than Conservatism/the Republican party pre-Reagan. I even said this before... in the post you quoted. Fox News just isn't conservative.

I can't honestly say I've seen enough of CNN to form a very solid opinion, but what I've seen on there is quite centrist, toothless and in the vein of Fox News generally just pro-government fluff.
07-21-2008, 03:09 PM
BanginJimmy

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Originally Posted by The12lber

I can't honestly say I've seen enough of CNN to form a very solid opinion, but what I've seen on there is quite centrist, toothless and in the vein of Fox News generally just pro-government fluff.

Well at leat you sid you dont want much CNN because your opinion is wholely wrong. They are most definately liberal, just watch the coverage of Obama and then watch coverage of McCain, its obviously swayed towards Obama.
07-21-2008, 04:39 PM
Lucky DAWG

The more and more i think about it, i'm pretty nervous Obama is going to win.

I see more and more stickers for him everywhere i go and more people jumping on the wagon.

This isn't meant to be racist, but i bet you minority voters will come out of the woodworks to vote for him who have either not voted out of apathy in the past or because they had jobs and would needed the money instead of the voting break
07-21-2008, 04:57 PM
BanginJimmy

most of those 'woodwork' voters will goto Obama and if he wins the wife and I will be quitting our jobs and applying for welfare as we will bring home more money.
07-21-2008, 05:01 PM
Lucky DAWG

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Originally Posted by BanginJimmy

most of those 'woodwork' voters will goto Obama and if he wins the wife and I will be quitting our jobs and applying for welfare as we will bring home more money.

thats what i just said :thinking:
07-21-2008, 05:09 PM
metalman

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Originally Posted by BanginJimmy

yes I do hate higher taxes and more govt intrusion into my life.

I hate those things too.

Dems = Higher taxes, less financial freedom
GOP = More Govt, less freedom & liberty

I vote none of the above. :)
07-21-2008, 05:31 PM
The12lber

Quote:

Originally Posted by BanginJimmy

most of those 'woodwork' voters will goto Obama and if he wins the wife and I will be quitting our jobs and applying for welfare as we will bring home more money.

This is serious hyperbole.
07-21-2008, 05:32 PM
The12lber

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Originally Posted by BanginJimmy

Well at leat you sid you dont want much CNN because your opinion is wholely wrong. They are most definately liberal, just watch the coverage of Obama and then watch coverage of McCain, its obviously swayed towards Obama.

Although both are Dbags, there's a lot more good things to be said about Obama, so that might explain the news coverage. Also, I vote no to war in Iran/no to another President who's clearly a moron so I'm not voting for McCain.
07-23-2008, 02:12 PM
Mestizo

my father told me the other day(he heard this in the news or radio or something)
by the end of this year and beginning of next year, REGULAR gas price is gonna be like $7..and i can believe that b/c i was looking at recent gas prices and i saw that it was already up to $5 w/some change..im not sure where, but the gas prices are rocketing non-stop..obama looks decent to manage but IMO we all need a new leader;no one makes them like they used to...sad...terribly sad:(

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