Quote Originally Posted by Vayda
So you're claiming you know everything, then?

Man, you're such a know-it-all. :P

Or you're naieve and ignorant. You say that you've never seen something, so the probability of it existing is negligible. You've never seen my roommate, or my fiance, or my parents. So obviously they don't exist either, do they? You've probably never seen any evidence of them, except maybe my parents. But you've never seen any evidence that I have a 32" television in front of me. Does that mean I don't have one?
Not making that claim at all. What I am saying is that I do not believe in something for which I have no evidence for. If you say you have a TV in front of you, I will likely believe you because I have seen a TV before, know they are common, and see no reason for you to lie (though I would accept that I could not know for sure). If you continued and said it was 1000 inches, spherical, and pink then I would not beleive you. It is the specific features people attribute to God (omniscient, omnipotent, self-concious, etc.)which make it unbelievable to atheists. If you are saying you believe something or not, those kind of details are important.

Quote Originally Posted by Vayda
It's pretty impressive, for someone to know EVERYTHING, to the point where they can safely say that they know for sure that in all the universe something is nonexistant.


I don't think most self-proclaimed atheists are really atheists. I think they just don't believe in the Christian god, and extend that to all higher powers. Do you believe in Karma, Nirvana, or hell, Luck? Because ALL of those are higher powers.
I think you are absolutely right that no Atheist can believe in Hell, but they can believe in luck and karma. Of course, as I was saying before it depends on your definition. I would say luck is just beating the odds, it is not something people are endowed with, it is just a way of describing odds and outcomes. Karma is just recognition that actions have consequences even if they are not immediately apparent.