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it would have to have gone OFF COURSE to then fly that low. an immediate indication to surrounding towers that there is a problem. there would have been an attempt at contact and if nothing, they would have sent scouter planes just liek the payne stewart plane crash. it was a no fly zone, also a government facility, do you think they are that stupid to not have any way of keeping an eye to the sky around that area?Quote:
Originally Posted by illeagle
I just want to point out that I do not neccessarily believe that the government committed the acts themselves. However, there are very large inconsistencies with quite a few things surrounding the attacks. A few of the things I pointed out. My only thing is that I am not against listening to reason and FACTS that could point to other conclusions than we were completely unaware of the fact that what happened on 9/11 was going to occur.
yes they were. the buildings WERE designed to withstand much harsher impact, including that of a jet hitting them. they claimed that wtc towers were extremely strong due to their construction and could even handlle being hit by an airplane and not collapse way before 9/11. One man who said this way before 9/11 was killed that day, but he says this on tape, I saw it a few years before.Quote:
Originally Posted by R3RUN
I was just saying lol, not speculating anything because I do not knowQuote:
Originally Posted by Sport20
but then again...who does? none of us know the truth and this is all just jibba jabba, and I am sure the truth will not come out on a car forum
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Originally Posted by vteckidd
Personally I really dont care it's not my problem I have better things to do with my time then worry about then what hit the pentagon
conspiracy, no way, poor management of information , absolutely.
there are always going to be theories to reason why an how, its normal, look at JFK, Lincoln, an others. But it DOESNT HOLD ANY WATER when it comes down to the one remaining underlying fact, PROOF.
Clearly in the video we can see a plane hit the building, case closed. Remember, that day the FAA was scrambling all over the place to find what planes were hijcakced an what werent. alot of the focus was on New York, by the time they figured out that a plane was heading for the pentagon, ti was too late, our fighters had been scrambled but with no information as to what the next target (if there was one) was.
It was BAD communication.
Clearly, as carroscopa said, its a case of extremists carrying out a terrorist attack, nothing more. there WERE warning signs, however, do you know how many THREATS we get a DAY? its hard to figure out what ones are real an which ones are fake. why do you think we kept getting "terror alerts" after 9/11 from HS. they started reporting EVERYTHING that was credible, then people bitched that our intel sucks when nothing happened. so you cant have it both ways.
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Originally Posted by Sledlude
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Explanation of why the towers fell, the fires from the jet fuel did much more damage than the impact of the planes. This also explains to an extent why it may have appeared as though the building was imploded using explosives. The flashes of light seen in the building can be explained as shorted out transformers in the building itself.
The only reason I could see for the government attacking itself at the Pentagon is that the 9/11 attacks at the WTC left them a perfect disguise that may intice the people of the U.S. to go to war.
over 180 ppl died at the pentagon... has there been 1 name of any person that died there?
watch the older video and then the new one...they are the same but one is closer. they have the same footage. there is no plane in the original video, yet there is one in the video released 4 yrs later by the DOD after a huge law suit..... :lmfao: believe what you wantQuote:
Originally Posted by vteckidd
like some said I dont know if WE did the attack, I believe the WTC better then the Pentagon. I am not saying our government did it, but they are hiding something, or they did do something. I think it is very interesting to look at all this, there is a backup for everything said. Even if the FAA was busy, they would have been watching DC, it is our capital. I am sure they had that looked on fairly hard. In the end I dont know a true answer. But that clip they released is the same I saw a few months ago, you see nothing. And did they ever release any names?
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Originally Posted by JITB
they wouldnt release there names because they worked at the pentagon...like if a bomb blew up at CIA HQ in Langley they wouldn't release the names of the people that were hurt or injured there either.
that is just something WE do not need to know
it was said a long time ago that the "jet" was really aiming for the whitehouse which is right past the pentagon. fyi. THATS NOT A FUCKING JET IN THAT VIDEO. LOL
I agree, what is in that video is not a jet, and whatever it is as been doctored up also, That is not a untouched video.
what ab the ~60 ppl supposedly on the flight then? where are their names? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by illeagle
At 350+ MPH it would be difficult to identify a passenger jet traveling 10 ft above the ground in a 5 sec clip. I would like to know where second 20 went. Boeing 757's use 6-7 different engines. One of which was found in the wreckage. The wings were filled with fuel and the outer wall which was under construction had been coated with kevlar to make it more blast resistant. At those speeds the wings would have disentigrated(sp) on impact followed by the napalm cloud which would probably incinerate anything else, including seats, luggage and most likely bodies. Most plane crashes have more debris left over because CRASHING THEM WASN'T THE OBJECTIVE. When a plane crash-lands on a runway it's traveling a fraction of the speed the 757 that hit the Pentagon was said to have been traveling. The "AboveTopSecret" site link has convincing evidence and sources to back it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPOOLIN
so they found 1 engine...where the fuck was/were the other(s)?? they also only found one wheel?? there is 4 on each side of the plane??
I can't help ya there. Never done a 350MPH crash simulation to see what makes it out and what doesn't(Although I bet it'd be something to see). I was just sayin that what little evidence was salvagable from the wreckage is consistant with a Boeing 757. The landing gear was most likely up on impact. Therefore, I would assume it was buried under ruble and debris along with the rest of the underbelly. I'm amazed they found as much as they did. The right engine struck a deisel generator as it came in. I wonder if people mistook that for the plane dragging the lawn. I've still got as many questions as the rest of you, but given the evidence(At least the evidence I've seen) I don't see anything that suggests a missle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sport20
Here's a great question for those of you who think it's idiotic to have a government conspiracy.
Who's benefitting the most from our war in Iraq ?
How did Bush get involved with business originally, and specifically with his families business in oil ?
Is it not true that last year was reported as the highest grossing year on record for the Oil companies ? And guess who still has tons and tons and money wrapped up in it ?
Bush, Cheney, their friends and families... etc.
If you're too narrow minded to even explore the possibility that things like this "can" happen, then you're really being nieve and you're obviously not too clear on how many sick people there are out there.
I'm not saying what happened one way or another because I think it will take years for the real story to come out, but I think the only dumb people are the ones that think it's stupid to even think about.
One last question....
How many times when you've played that old wood stack building game Jenga did it collapse entirely upon itself ?
Ever had one do it right after the other?
Equal force and equal pressure in two totally different structures that were hit in different places at different times and yet went down totally UPON THEMSELVES ?
Yeah... I'm an idiot for not thinking that makes sense.
And Ruiner, I cant find where those wings of the plane went... can you help me out with that man ?
My neighbor one time had his door open on his car and he backed out of his garage really fast...it caught the side of the garage that was all concrete and really built up, then BAM...door blew off. Wierd thing was the door was gone and we never could find any pieces of it.
Except maybe the door handle, and a few paint chips, but they matched the car so I'm pretty sure it came from that one.
also in the video..the instantaneous white flash gives it away...that is cordite. few things burn hot enough to cause a pure white reaction...jet fuel isnt one of them!!!
Neil Armstrong never walked on the moon. :D
neither did lance armstrong!!!!
ibuwillgetshitfromeveryonenow!!!
Ok, this to me is the final word on the matter. This video was created by a man who had to leave to the UK in order to escape death threats "and freaky incidents". Theres a story about him in Maxim 2 mos ago. Check out this video and have the balls to tell me you don't believe something is fishy.
http://www.freedomunderground.org/me...tagon.php#Main
nice find....i remember that vid
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Originally Posted by illeagle
so i guess al the people on the plane worked for the pentagon also..
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Originally Posted by Xan
are you serious, that thing is a big mother fucker, i dont care how fast it was going, its going to take up a huge chunk of the frame whether the frame shows half the plane, front or back or whatever. the plane should be atleast 3/4 the height of the pentagon at 5-10feet off the ground, JETS ARE HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!! the first frame that is appears, its all pointed and shit, whatever it is, a plane front end isnt pointy.
did anyone hear a jet that was around it?
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Originally Posted by simontibbett
i mean anyone around the pentagon, whitnesses did anyone hear a jet?
^there were ppl that said they saw a jet, some said something way smaller like a missle. some even said they smelled the cordite (expolsives material...not on a plane) after the "plane" hit
Well, You would ony get a 12.4 ft silhouette(sp). The plane was most likely going max speed and the video that was posted on here is shown at 1 frame per second. The object in question is only visible in one frame. I'm just saying. It looks like a plane to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPOOLIN
Keep in mind, we weren't aware this was a terrorist attack until after it happened. Killing civilians is bad for business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sport20
what civilians....there is not an ounce of proof that anyone was even on that plane. they never released any names of anyone that was on that plane. :lmfao: for fuck sake they wont even release the black box info, which would have explained everything. honestly the civilians have nothing to do with the profit that was made from this act..the "war on terrorism" was the bread winner in this one.~60 ppl are expendable, hell thousands are...sad but true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xan
We weren't at war on Sep. 11, 2001. There is no proof supporting any of the allogations you just made either. You say that thousands are expendable, but it's not that simple. If the governement really is behind the 9/11 attacks why didn't flight 93 hit it's target? If you can provide ANY proof(Not assumptions) supporting the conspiracy theory that everyone has jumped on board with, then I'll jump right on with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sport20
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Originally Posted by Xan
People LOVE to believe in conspiracy theories. People will believe what they want to believe. There is conspiracy video about this, and I agree it makes some interesting points, but a lot of it is conjecture and it just doesnt add up if you look at the whole thing.
If this was ever proven to be a conspiracy, it would be total hysteria and backlash against that political party that is in office. No party would risk that. The government is afraid to pass a realistic immigration bill because they dont want to offend certain people. You think they would risk pissing-off the entire country by doing something like that? No way.
well prove to me they werent behind it...you cant do that either. 93 could have been screwed up....we will never know exaclty what the intended target was or why exactly it was off course.
I can't prove our government didn't plan the 9/11 attacks. I'm saying there is no solid evidence that says they did. Just like there is no solid evidence(Really none at all) that anything OTHER than a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon. Flight 93 was off course because it was hijacked. Families got phone calls from people on the plane. They made a movie about it. I am almost 100% positive we shot it down though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sport20
media PROPAGANDA!!! you just believe what you are told. there is no way that was a 757 and your blind if you think so.the aftermath alone, as well as the video evidence should prove that much. airplanes dont combust in whitehot explosions, but purpose built explosives containing cordite do! the video that was released yesterday is most definitly doctored. it is nothing like the original that was leeked on the net 4 years ago. honestly their are fewer bits of "evidence" that is was a plane then their are it was something else. nothing, i mean nothing ab that crash adds up, and if the fact that the government is breaking the freedom of information act to hide the truth ab the situation doesnt set off an alarm in your brain, then well good luck in life buddy :lmfao:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xan
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/..._evidence.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Sport20
Did you even visit this site? Missle couldn't have hit the Pentagon.