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Why is everyone worried about whose pocket the $2 is going in? I think this is a great idea. Having the police present definitely made people more "civilized" anyone who thinks otherwise is trying to fool themselves. I didn't hear all this complaining about paying $5 for parking at the IA meet two years ago which had no vendors or anything at all for that matter.
Half of the varshity parking had a fee. If you didn't pay your car got booted and it was what, $50?
Here's something to think about too. At least you ungrateful motherfuckers have meets and people willing to put together quality meets. Down here we may have an organized meet that about 10 cars attend every month. If there are no car meets for a few months, we may get a good turn out with around 30 cars. Getting kicked out from wherever we go is likely. Mainly because the turnouts aren't worth setting it up with a business. The alternative is the Zebulon Road meet every saturday night which includes a handful of beat ass civics and a few mustangs that think they are the shit.
x2, It doesn't matter if it is going in Sunny's pocket or Wild Bill's. Sunny goes through the trouble of getting it setup, getting the police, trash cleanup, vendors, drama, and any other time involved. Wild Bill's allows it to happen and risks getting sued if something goes down on their property or even bad publicity for them. Why does a person or business need to go broke to show that they are dedicated to the car scene? Majority of people would not do it otherwise everyone would be hosting free meets and paying out of pocket for all fees. Thanks to Sunny, Hasan (IA), Joseph (SF), No Love 4 Atlanta, and all the other groups and individuals that are going out of their way to bring the car community together.Quote:
Originally Posted by MistaCee
Lolol @ the Sunny Defenders. All folks wanted to know was what the deal was with it. Seems to me when the explanation was given, things kind of died down. Now the Defenders want to keep it going.
I paid $100. hour for 2 Paulding county sheriffs for Tunerfest out of my pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julio
I work with cops everyday , Gwinett is at most $30/hour off duty, non sheriffs
Regardless, i suspect Wild Bills hires the police presence, not Sunny. I suspect the $2 is a joint agreement between Sunny who promotes the event, and wild bills who owns the lot. THey probably split it or something.
LOL@$2 haters, i could buy the entire fucking parking lot and make you guys walk 1000 yards , 2$ was NEVER THE PROBLEM. Just clarification on who was charging and what it was for.
First, did your really dig up up 38 pages on google under my name, and looked up threads by me on multiple forums? Simply Speechless, but thanks for the time on your hand, I didn't even know myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by MachNU
Since you missed my point in my last post let me rephrase in deep details. No to Truck Side Ways & No to vacant spots. You pay for 10, they show up in reasonable time they get the spots, but after certain time those spots will be given to other people who actually do show up. You shouldn't be paying for people who you aren't sure if they are gonna come or not. I will cover every angle of this topic since I know you are & will keep on picking on it.
1. It is first come first serve.
2. You can pay for friends,but they have to get there in reasonable time or the empty spots get taken up. People who do show up > People who don't.
3. If you do pay for your friends. You will need to stand at entrance or keep on coming back with their parking ticket until all have come in. I don't know who your friends are, and only a parking ticket will get them in.
4. Paying for a spot doesn't mean you own it or bought it, you just reserved it. Just like any reservation, if a party doesn't show up on time...space is given to next party waiting. Re-entry is allowed, but don't expect same spot to be open for you when you are back or have space left. You are leaving at your own risk. Same applies to paying for friends. If your friends show up later then they can still park at spots available. If none are then it is not my fault because they didn't keep their side of bargain.
5. It's not about money, rather a properly organized meet, which it won't be if every other car is parked sideways holding spots from 8pm-12am.
Sorry Mike, but your facts aren't correct. To clear any doubts in the air, Wild Bills does not pay for any of the meet expenses. Saying it again, all meet expenses are paid out my pocket. This is as clear my answer going to get for everyone with doubts about who pays for what and what not. I don't have anymore explanation on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
What happened to meets where you didn't have to pay $2 for parking and this supposed security? If you need security at a meet then it's not something I want to be part of.
Hey dumbass, I was not the only who googled your name. Second, so if they do not show up, will i get a refund? I mean you are collecting money, so I would assume your a business and have insurance for the lot. So if I was denied refund would I be able to find you on the BBB or even some site where I can write some sort of review about no refund? Also, since you control everything in the lot as you have said and you spend twice as much money as you bring in....if someone slips and falls at the "meet" and breaks a leg or something...do they sue you or Wild Bills? Simply just getting the information, as this whole who owns what thing is rather confusing. I simply find it hard to believe, as do a lot of people, that you are spending any more money than you make without some form of compensation from someone or Wild Bills.Quote:
Originally Posted by UpSideDownDesi
You might want to tell that to DeKalb County then - they even publish it on their Parks and Recreation website. DeKalb County knows it for a fact, as do I - having lived in DeKalb for 20 years and dealt with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julio
DeKalb County Parks & Recreation
all y'all be trippin
Have you ever been to the WCC, stadium, etc? Do you ask the same things about the parking lots there?Quote:
Originally Posted by MachNU
No, no and no, because I do not plan to hang out in their parking lot. I am simply asking a question, nothing against being well informed.Quote:
Originally Posted by David88vert
This mentality is what's wrong with America...Quote:
Originally Posted by MachNU
A person slips and falls and the first thought is to sue. I'm all for everyone pointing and laughing at the clumsy guy as the paramedics take him away. After paying a healthy doctors bill, maybe then he'll learn to watch where he's walking.
actually , i may have paid for that :doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
Like I said in my first post no matter what I say, it is not gonna turn some people around. You can come to the meet and find out first handed answers to your questions. Thanks for your cryin...time.Quote:
Originally Posted by MachNU
Sir 2 hands together for you, do come to the meet on Thursday so I can buy you a drink.....no homo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echonova
You suggest that you paid for it and follow that comment with a smiley that appears to be giving a blow job.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotsman
is there something you want to tell us?
haha , its the D'oh smileyQuote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
:goodjob:Quote:
Originally Posted by MeFryRice
Thanks for answering my question. I expected you to dance and dodge the question. Your answer tells me that you yourself do not have the answers and your probably making money off this meet and only care about your pockets. I was simply proving that you can give two shits about the meet and car scene, your a car salesmen and your doing just that, trying to sale something.Quote:
Originally Posted by UpSideDownDesi
Wild Bills probably uses you to promote there Thirsty Thursday or what the fuck ever it is. They give you free reign on a section of the parking lot till a certain time. I know Thursday night clubbing goes on at that club long after 12, so they are trying to bring in additional revenue too there before 12 hours. They already have on duty cops for there events watching the doors, so bonus for you, they just pay the cops slightly more and now rather than the front house they cover, they also over see the parking lot.
My simple argument is the way you have and are selling your events and how you spout bullshit of helping the car scene. I would put money down that you have not spent any more money than you have made on these.
Echo, you know what I meant by that line. I was not talking sue happy, but if someone slips and falls due to something negligent in the parking lot, would they be suing Sonny and his fake business or wild Bills since they own the parking lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echonova
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Originally Posted by MeFryRice
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I went back and read your message. I should've slowed down. Didn't pay attention at the recreational facility part ( dekalb property ). But since we are talking private property, thats what I was focused on. Currently I work with 8 officers, for private purposes through Dekalb County and the rate is not $35. Is less.Quote:
Originally Posted by David88vert
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Originally Posted by MachNU
Since I never been to these meets, do people sign waivers ? If I was Sunny, I would have people sign waivers..
You can sue whoever you feel like ( Sunny or Wild Bills) it if you get hurt or something crazy happens... Not sure under what business entity this meet is under in which case it does not matter really. But lets say is just Sunny having a meet, and he doesn't own at least a LLC protecting him or his " company" you can come directly after Sunny and everything he owns.. If he has LLC, then you can't go directly to Sunny, it will have to be against his LLC/company. If I get hurt at this meet, I would go after Wild Bills since is a bigger entity... And Honestly, it sounds like the meet is not that organized, and when I say not organized, I mean I see many legal loop holes.. I'm not sure if Sunny owns a LLC.. Or something along those lines w/ this event. If he does, perfect, if not, I would highly reccomend he get one. To many liabilities when you have meets that big. Is pretty damn cheap to get a LLC. And very worth it.
Simple math tells me you arent footing the bill of $300-400 per week out of the "kindness" of your heart LOL $2 a car, youd have to have 300-400 cars show up to even break even on the police costs alone. Let alone trash pick up and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by UpSideDownDesi
Theres something you arent telling because it doesnt add up.
Im not saying you are not justified, you can charge whatever you want, but :
If Wild Bills isnt making you charge any money
Youre deciding to charge on your own
Just sounds like you wanna make a buck under the guise of keeping the meet "ricer free". Hey, thats your right
Example :
If i go to this meet, park my car, walk around, come back and My car is stolen from this meet, I would probably have a case against Wild Bills and The company putting on the event..( sunny ).. Why you may ask ? Because according to Sunny, I paid $2 to get in. What does $2 covers? we dont know. Sunny says, clean up, security etc... Court would decide I guess.. But seems like a clean cut case.. My question is, is my $2 consider a donation ? Man, I hope Sunny has his basis covered.. Lol
thats what everybody isnt getting. they all think people are bitching about the $2, not the fact that it appears to be some guy in a parking lot charging money for no real apparent reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julio
People say "OH ITS FOR SECURITY"! then im like well, what kind of security? are the cops already there? IS he really paying for police protection? How long is my car covered? who is charging ?
It sounds like to me, Sunny got a lot of people to start showing up at the Wild Bills meet, and he decided to make some money doing it. If WIld Bills isnt making him charge anyone, then hes just pocketing the money.
It would be different if he said like "Wild Bills charges me $200 a night to use the parking lot, so i have ot charge $2 a car to make up for it" or something of that nature.
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Originally Posted by Vteckidd
Let me tell you what I think :
Wild Bills already has security on their payroll.. Deal with Sunny,
WB : hey man, attract people to our venue, we will provide security ( already on payroll for that night ) and a location for the meet..we also have a clean up crew, no worries there.
Sunny : Sounds good WB. We will increase your sales by X%. You pay me nothing. I want my events to grow and this provides big weight on my resume.
WB: sounds like a plan. If meets get bigger, we can possibly even charge a small fee..
Sunny: even better, I cannot work for free for to long..
I may be way off... But just what I think..
Man your thinking totally astounds me, for someone knowing nothing you talk a whole lot nonsense yet call me dumbass. You questions are never stay on one topic and bounce around to instigate some other topic. Best way to figure out will be on your own, like a wise man would.Quote:
Originally Posted by MachNU
Sorry I won't call you names doesn't make me any smarter than you or wiser by doing so, but just read what you just posted.Quote:
They already have on duty cops for there events watching the doors, so bonus for you, they just pay the cops slightly more and now rather than the front house they cover, they also over see the parking lot.
Since you lack some knowledge let me know shine some on you.
1. Wild Bills does not hire Gwinnett PD on Thursdays to watch over the doors any more. Don't believe me then come to Wild Bills next week, please go inside, then come outside and count how many officers you see. Knowing you would rather sit behind a screen instead of seeing yourself, fill up a computer screen than knowing your facts.
2. You can't pay any officer hired for one job more money to cover a different event. They will simply tell your to hire another officer. Hence the meet now has dedicated police officers through the meet timing.
Here's my Dance :bannana: & Dodge: :taun: so you don't say I am ignoring your topic.
BTW you coming this week?
This is exactly what I have been getting at. What adds more weight to be is just helping Wild Bills promote the before midnight crowd is where he has said multiple times that with the $2 fee, you get free VIP access into the club. This means a deal is worked with Wild Bills and even sounds like a promoter deal. I can imagine a lot of the people after the meet really ends, they go into the club hang out for a few hours and buy some beers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julio
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Originally Posted by Vteckidd
Mike & Julio, I know both you can't base this on thinking. Mike I don't foot $300 out of my pocket hence the $2 per car, and enough cars come to cover the cost. Mike didn't I already say multiple times the lot has to be rented from Wild Bills hence paying them to use the lot. I already laid the fact, all are welcome to come see how many Wild Bills Security guards you see walking around the meet, and who you see cleaning up. You may want witness this yourself before basing it on unclear facts. Just food for some of your thoughts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julio
Why would Wild Bills stop having a police presence? Whos going to arrest people who starts fights in the club, whos going to deal with the kids with fake IDs or get beers inside the club with fake IDs? The bouncers can only put hands on the people until they exit the building. There are always officers there waiting outside in case something happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by UpSideDownDesi
Why cant you answer a simple question, are you a business covering this meet? Do you have insurance for the parking lot? What exactly does the money pay for? You are dodging all the questions that myself, Mike and Julio keep asking. Its because you do not want it out that you are simply making money off an event. Props to you for doing it. But selling it as "I am trying to help the scene!" is complete bullshit.
Also, no i do not plan on going. I only go too private events or meets like C&O where its older people, very high class cars and a generally fun meet. If I wanted too see a lot of the same type of cars, I would just go walk through a Wal-Mart parking lot at night or go to the Barrett Parkway meet.
Wait, now its Wild Bills Security, what happen to being police officers?Quote:
Originally Posted by UpSideDownDesi
Also Sonny, how much do you charge the vendors that come up there?
And he does it again :lmfao:. When was the last time you were inside wild bills to witness the "lots of people"?Quote:
Originally Posted by MachNU
Guys I know y'all are grown folks, and you are welcome to criticize something, but without doing it yourself then it just seems whole lot of talk in the air.
Come to the meet is going to be my answer for your questions now.Quote:
Originally Posted by MachNU
Like I said math doesn't add up. I don't care enough to argue just pointing out some inconsistencies that's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by UpSideDownDesi
Ill never go so it doesn't bother me one way or the other
Well great, lets rest the case here then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
It was years back that I went to the club, but judging from a few of the bartenders I still know there that bar tend on Thursday nights, when i see them post up pictures on facebook there are a lot of people there. If there was not, then I am thinking wild bills would hire a promoter or not open on Thursday nights.Quote:
Originally Posted by UpSideDownDesi
Alright Obama. No sense in actually answering questions. If you were truthful about all this you would post up the truthful answers. Instead you ignore them or dodge the question. I wont come to that meet, its a waste of my time and gas. Now if cars like this start showing up, I might come or hell might even sponsor. As this was from an very small meet I was invited to Saturday.Quote:
Originally Posted by UpSideDownDesi
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I believe work is going to keep me in town this week, so as long as no emergency comes up, I will take you up on your offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by UpSideDownDesi
SoCo, on the rocks.
I'm not fancy.
:cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by Echonova