Atlanta Needs a Refresher course

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Originally Posted by Browning151

Actually, people who pick a lane and maintain a constant speed have a much smaller impact than people who constantly switch lanes trying to beat everyone else. For every person that gets cut off and has to brake it creates a wave of people braking or changing lanes behind them that builds until traffic eventually completely comes to a stop. Those "d-bags" aren't the problem, it's the fact that there's "20k" people all trying to go somewhere at the same time and a fairly large percentage of them probably have no business even having a drivers license.

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But the driver going faster than those in the slower (driving lanes) would not have to switch if the constant pace drivers stayed in the (driving lanes). Generally speaking, the furthest to the left is the FAST(ER)(EST) passing lane and should not be used otherwise. The constant lane changing is caused by those driving slower than the fastest car in the fast lane, regardless of it's frequency.

As stated before, if youre traveling at 70 in a 65, you may not always be the fastest car in that lane at any given time, which is known. So... why stay there? The faster driver changing lanes is unnecessary when he is now the FASTEST driver in the fast lane. I dont understand this argument, driver courtesy never exists anywhere except in racing.

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Originally Posted by blaknoize

driver courtesy never exists anywhere except in racing.

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This is exactly right. And why does it not exist?

Simple answer. Because everyone is in too much of a hurry. Later, QD.

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Originally Posted by blaknoize

But the driver going faster than those in the slower (driving lanes) would not have to switch if the constant pace drivers stayed in the (driving lanes). Generally speaking, the furthest to the left is the FAST(ER)(EST) passing lane and should not be used otherwise. The constant lane changing is caused by those driving slower than the fastest car in the fast lane, regardless of it's frequency.

As stated before, if youre traveling at 70 in a 65, you may not always be the fastest car in that lane at any given time, which is known. So... why stay there? The faster driver changing lanes is unnecessary when he is now the FASTEST driver in the fast lane. I dont understand this argument, driver courtesy never exists anywhere except in racing.

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That was mostly directed at times when traffic is very heavy and the lanes are moving at nearly the same speed due to volume. The more people try to change lanes to beat everyone else, they just make the traffic worse. Next time you're in heavy traffic watch the lane behind someone who switches lanes, it's easy to spot the wave most of the time.

When it comes to times that traffic is lighter, yes, maintaining a slower speed in the left lane causes just as much chaos as the lane changers in heavy traffic if not more because you are causing people to change lanes at a higher rate of speed. If you're in the left lane and passing traffic you should move to the right once there is a break in traffic for you to move over if there are others behind you, simple common courtesy. My problem lies with the self-important "the left lane is the do whatever the fuck I want lane and you better get the hell out of my way at all costs" assholes, most people just get annoyed and say fuck you when you start all the light flashing crap.

If I'm driving 70 in a 65 I don't give a goat ass if you tailing my ass. You should had left earlier when you Know you you gotta get there in certain time. I normally just stay the same speed until you wanna pass me then I would just speed up just to piss you off a little bit more. When you think in gonna speed up and get behind me agian I would go back to my normal speed.

70 in a 65 is already breaking the traffic law.

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Originally Posted by Browning151

That was mostly directed at times when traffic is very heavy and the lanes are moving at nearly the same speed due to volume. The more people try to change lanes to beat everyone else, they just make the traffic worse. Next time you're in heavy traffic watch the lane behind someone who switches lanes, it's easy to spot the wave most of the time.

When it comes to times that traffic is lighter, yes, maintaining a slower speed in the left lane causes just as much chaos as the lane changers in heavy traffic if not more because you are causing people to change lanes at a higher rate of speed. If you're in the left lane and passing traffic you should move to the right once there is a break in traffic for you to move over if there are others behind you, simple common courtesy. My problem lies with the self-important "the left lane is the do whatever the fuck I want lane and you better get the hell out of my way at all costs" assholes, most people just get annoyed and say fuck you when you start all the light flashing crap.

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You've got a good point there, sir. Patience is something that I'm having to work on because I'm definitely not a patient person. Thats why I find it hard to stay in one lane when traffic is going slow, and the other lanes seem to be moving faster than the one I'm in. But I'm working on that. I used to be That Guy that you speak of, that would flash my lights and such for people that would just chill in the left lane, but I figured out that it really only makes people angry, so I stopped doing anything like that. I just give them a certain count to move over (5-10 sec), and then I just go around them and on my merry way.

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Originally Posted by Austin?

If I'm driving 70 in a 65 I don't give a goat ass if you tailing my ass. You should had left earlier when you Know you you gotta get there in certain time. I normally just stay the same speed until you wanna pass me then I would just speed up just to piss you off a little bit more. When you think in gonna speed up and get behind me agian I would go back to my normal speed.

70 in a 65 is already breaking the traffic law.

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Im sorry, but people like you are the problem. Like I said earlier, you never know people's circumstances.1: Don't be so legalistic about the rules of the road. No one follows the speed limit around here, not even the cops, so driver courtesy, as mentioned only a few replies above this one, is so much more important than speed limits. 2. You sound like a Prius driver. I would recommend you look up Jeff Dunham's "talk" on Priuses on Youtube for the reference. 3rd and certainly not least, if you want to patrol the roads, become a cop. Otherwise, stop trying. You'll just piss people off, or worse, cause a wreck.

It not mine or another person problem if you need to be in a hurry, when and if I need to be somewhere at the time I should be there I would just leave earlier so I don't have to get on here and cry about how people don't speed up to make you happy. Like you say moving over for faster driver is courtesy. I only moved over for red and blue because I have to but just to move over for some one that's Late for work because they have to finish masturbating before the leave. HELL NO!

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Originally Posted by Austin?

It not mine or another person problem if you need to be in a hurry, when and if I need to be somewhere at the time I should be there I would just leave earlier so I don't have to get on here and cry about how people don't speed up to make you happy. Like you say moving over for faster driver is courtesy. I only moved over for red and blue because I have to but just to move over for some one that's Late for work because they have to finish masturbating before the leave. HELL NO!

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It's also not your job to play policeman. I'm not saying that you need to immediately move out of someones way when they come up, but playing traffic cop does nothing but piss people off, increase the risk of an accident and impede traffic. Once there is an opportunity for you to move over safely, just do it and let them go on. Their driving habits will eventually catch up to them. Take 2 seconds and think about the other people around you on the road and the effect that an accident could have on their lives that you could have contributed to by trying to play policeman on the road. By acting like that you are no better than the person driving like a maniac.

After reading the responses in this thread and hearing a good deal of talk lately about the new TSPLOST vote coming up soon I think there's a much more effective way to spend that money than just adding lanes and changing intersections; driver education. If you really want to start to address the traffic problems around Atlanta you don't need to start with the roads themselves, but the drivers because there are clearly far too many idiots that posses drivers licenses. Driving is a privilege, one that many take for granted and a responsibility that many take far too lightly. Slightly off-topic but just my :2cents:

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Originally Posted by Austin?

If I'm driving 70 in a 65 I don't give a goat ass if you tailing my ass. You should had left earlier when you Know you you gotta get there in certain time. I normally just stay the same speed until you wanna pass me then I would just speed up just to piss you off a little bit more. When you think in gonna speed up and get behind me agian I would go back to my normal speed.

70 in a 65 is already breaking the traffic law.

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This is atlanta i have heard of people that have been shot and killed for less.....

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Originally Posted by Austin?

If I'm driving 70 in a 65 I don't give a goat ass if you tailing my ass. You should had left earlier when you Know you you gotta get there in certain time. I normally just stay the same speed until you wanna pass me then I would just speed up just to piss you off a little bit more. When you think in gonna speed up and get behind me agian I would go back to my normal speed.

70 in a 65 is already breaking the traffic law.

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That has nothing to do with whether or not you're late or nearly late. Specifically when youre traveling. Trying to outpower someone is childish when you know full well the driver was attempting to pass you in the first place. That's like u ignoring the fact when you are late or traveling and someone does the exact samething, but has more HP than you, annoying your kid(s) and wasting gas and increasing the potential for a mistake or accident.

The traffic speed law has nothing to do with people actually driving faster than you, my personal "cruising speed" is 80, always has been. When traveling I feel like I'm making good time, occasionally I can creep to 85-90 but I find that speed a bit to fast when not in a hurry. Why, when I come across you, would you imped my traveling speed because u just "felt" like I was going to fast and u want to slow me down or block me? AND THEN, if I actually make a way around u, you force yourself back in front of me? You are breaking as many laws as me becoming a hazard on the roadway for no good reason. You arent law enforcement and I'm clearly aware I'm speeding. It is none of your business why I'm traveling faster than you when posing no threat to you.

In for those dash cam vids!

And yes, driving is a privilege...more needs to go into those driving tests imho.

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Originally Posted by blaknoize

That has nothing to do with whether or not you're late or nearly late. Specifically when youre traveling. Trying to outpower someone is childish when you know full well the driver was attempting to pass you in the first place. That's like u ignoring the fact when you are late or traveling and someone does the exact samething, but has more HP than you, annoying your kid(s) and wasting gas and increasing the potential for a mistake or accident.

The traffic speed law has nothing to do with people actually driving faster than you, my personal "cruising speed" is 80, always has been. When traveling I feel like I'm making good time, occasionally I can creep to 85-90 but I find that speed a bit to fast when not in a hurry. Why, when I come across you, would you imped my traveling speed because u just "felt" like I was going to fast and u want to slow me down or block me? AND THEN, if I actually make a way around u, you force yourself back in front of me? You are breaking as many laws as me becoming a hazard on the roadway for no good reason. You arent law enforcement and I'm clearly aware I'm speeding. It is none of your business why I'm traveling faster than you when posing no threat to you.

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That's exactly what I was saying.

There should be a testing period instead of a single day. It might show off any natural tendencies that the driver has. During that testing period, if they showed off any one of several indicators(which would be indicative of later tendencies), they would be asked to fix those in a timely manner or have to start the driving period over again. Some people wouldn't get their license in that process, but it would for the better overall good. And no, the learners permit is not that at all. Your parents are the ones that supervise that, and so all you would be doing would be imitating their driving habits, for the most part, which aren't always the best.

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Originally Posted by blaknoize

It is none of your business why I'm traveling faster than you when posing no threat to you.

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Speeding does pose a (greater) threat to anyone on the roads. So that theory holds no water, dude. Later, QD.

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Originally Posted by quickdodge®

Speeding does pose a (greater) threat to anyone on the roads. So that theory holds no water, dude. Later, QD.

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Not necessarily true, if we all do a search for countries whos laws allow a higher speed (and better training) for regular traveling. Traffic is more organized if the speeds are higher and the populus understands what the lanes are designed for. Also, those who do generally travel faster pay more attention to their cars/trucks. Properly balanced tires, inflation is good, alignments are in check, most dont do other things outside of just driving (like not eating, txtn, listening to music etc.) Also, those who like to go faster more than likely have a car that is designed to travel faster, which can in turn; come to a stop faster, turn in harder, wider/higher performance tires are generally on those types of travelers cars as well.

So this theory does hold water seeing as you are a truck driver, you guys dont all just blindly drive around with bald tires, eating big cheese burgers while chatting on your CB running in a (umm train?). Nope, your truck is as well maintained as financially possible, you all communicate and pay attention, just as most high speed drivers do. Just because a faster driver incurs more "speeding" tickets does not mean he is posing a higher threat than a group of fools in the slowest of lanes smashing into one another because they "forgot" that there was another car over there.

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Originally Posted by blaknoize

So this theory does hold water seeing as you are a truck driver, you guys dont all just blindly drive around with bald tires, eating big cheese burgers while chatting on your CB running in a (umm train?).

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It doesn't hold water at all. Also, there is no comparing truck driving and speeding. Two completely different areas of motoring. Later, QD.

My office is 78 miles from my house. the difference between 65 and 85 adds up to weeks at the end of the year. Besides adding a $50/hr tag on it, it simply makes more sense to run faster for me over time. Yes, I leave plenty early, but still choose to not waste this time.


Its no big deal. If I want to run 80, 90, or occasionally 100, I can and will. If you want to try to slow me down, I'll pass you. It happens 10 times a day. Last car accident was 10+ years ago. Last speeding ticket was in 97. So, apparently, this works for me at least.

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Originally Posted by tnomud

My office is 78 miles from my house. the difference between 65 and 85 adds up to weeks at the end of the year. Besides adding a $50/hr tag on it, it simply makes more sense to run faster for me over time. Yes, I leave plenty early, but still choose to not waste this time.


Its no big deal. If I want to run 80, 90, or occasionally 100, I can and will. If you want to try to slow me down, I'll pass you. It happens 10 times a day. Last car accident was 10+ years ago. Last speeding ticket was in 97. So, apparently, this works for me at least.

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This attitude so perfectly sums up all that is f'd up with America and people in general. The I'll do what I want regardless of the possible risks/consequences said action(s) will impose on others. Hopefully it continues to "work" for you, all it would take is a few seconds of things going wrong to completely ruin not only your life and possibly others who may not have signed up for the risk/reward model you've going on here. To me saving a bit of time by putting myself and others at a greater risk of injury or death isn't a smart investment.

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Originally Posted by Turbo04

This attitude so perfectly sums up all that is f'd up with America and people in general. The I'll do what I want regardless of the possible risks/consequences said action(s) will impose on others. Hopefully it continues to "work" for you, all it would take is a few seconds of things going wrong to completely ruin not only your life and possibly others who may not have signed up for the risk/reward model you've going on here. To me saving a bit of time by putting myself and others at a greater risk of injury or death isn't a smart investment.

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The risk is left to interpretation. Believe it not..... most cars are perfectly safe and functional above 55 mph. If my SUV takes 50 feet to come to a complete stop from 60mph and my porsche 911 turbo takes 50 feet to come to a complete stop from 120mph, who is traveling at a safer rate of speed, an SUV doing 60 or a porsche doing 90? Speed is rarely the cause of an accident..... it's usually the driver's inability to drive, pay attention, or understand the limitations and characteristics of his/her vehicle.


In my opinion, the law needs to be ramped up on stupidity offenses and cut back on performance driving offenses. Someone doing 130 on the highway would face jail time and have their license suspended, but if some woman rear ends someone at a red light because she was talking on her cell phone, she would just get a ticket.

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Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

In my opinion, the law needs to be ramped up on stupidity offenses and cut back on performance driving offenses. Someone doing 130 on the highway would face jail time and have their license suspended, but if some woman rear ends someone at a red light because she was talking on her cell phone, she would just get a ticket.

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I see what your saying there, but by the very nature of people and the way our society is, the performance driving offenses fall right into the stupidity offenses category. We all know the road is FILLED with people that really have no business being behind the wheel of a car at any speed. Making the choice to travel at speeds far exceeding the speed limit on a road filled with other objects that could at any moment come to a complete stop, fly into other lanes, or any number of other random seemingly reasonless actions, is by very definition stupidity. Sure you have a reasonable understanding what the capabilities of your car and your driving skill may be, but you have no idea if that driver in the blue sentra does. So whose is the worse driver? The one who should've never been in the car to begin with or the one who knows that majority of drivers on the road are like that and continue to drive as though they don't exist?

On the subject of cars and performance levels, it's never a car that crashes into others and ruins lives. The car doesn't start itself, make decisions about it's speed or actions, it's people behind the wheel that do that. Yes mechanical failures and other things happen out of the driver's control, but part of the responsibility of driving a car is making decisions about how one drives with those possibilities in mind. Ball joint fails going down the road? While at any speed it's not a great thing to have happen, I'm reasonably confident that having it happen at 55 is way better than having it happen at 85. The case is always made also that many places in Europe have higher speed limits (or none) and lower traffic incidents. Well this isn't Europe. Lets face it, 285 might as well be a dirt road when compared to some roads over there. I highly doubt they would come here and pilot their cars on our roads like they would at home. And lastly people always over estimate their own skill levels when it comes to things like driving. I love shooting guns, shot and owned some very nice ones, I'm reasonably accurate with my shots, but I wouldn't call myself an expert marksman. Just because someone may have a very nice high performance car and they have yet to park it inside of another car while zipping around at higher speeds doesn't mean they are great drivers, it just means part luck and part skill have combined to keep the car from being recycled into microwave cases.

I agree with everything you've stated. I feel the same way about all your points.

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Originally Posted by Turbo04

And lastly people always over estimate their own skill levels when it comes to things like driving.

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And to add, while someone may "feel" like they're more than capable to handle their car on the highway at higher rates of speed, what if the person next to you, or in front of you, isn't. Later, QD.

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Originally Posted by Turbo04

I see what your saying there, but by the very nature of people and the way our society is, the performance driving offenses fall right into the stupidity offenses category. We all know the road is FILLED with people that really have no business being behind the wheel of a car at any speed. Making the choice to travel at speeds far exceeding the speed limit on a road filled with other objects that could at any moment come to a complete stop, fly into other lanes, or any number of other random seemingly reasonless actions, is by very definition stupidity. Sure you have a reasonable understanding what the capabilities of your car and your driving skill may be, but you have no idea if that driver in the blue sentra does. So whose is the worse driver? The one who should've never been in the car to begin with or the one who knows that majority of drivers on the road are like that and continue to drive as though they don't exist?

On the subject of cars and performance levels, it's never a car that crashes into others and ruins lives. The car doesn't start itself, make decisions about it's speed or actions, it's people behind the wheel that do that. Yes mechanical failures and other things happen out of the driver's control, but part of the responsibility of driving a car is making decisions about how one drives with those possibilities in mind. Ball joint fails going down the road? While at any speed it's not a great thing to have happen, I'm reasonably confident that having it happen at 55 is way better than having it happen at 85. The case is always made also that many places in Europe have higher speed limits (or none) and lower traffic incidents. Well this isn't Europe. Lets face it, 285 might as well be a dirt road when compared to some roads over there. I highly doubt they would come here and pilot their cars on our roads like they would at home. And lastly people always over estimate their own skill levels when it comes to things like driving. I love shooting guns, shot and owned some very nice ones, I'm reasonably accurate with my shots, but I wouldn't call myself an expert marksman. Just because someone may have a very nice high performance car and they have yet to park it inside of another car while zipping around at higher speeds doesn't mean they are great drivers, it just means part luck and part skill have combined to keep the car from being recycled into microwave cases.

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I understand what you're saying and i cant dispute it. The roads are filled with a lot of morons and those morons are the people being taken into consideration when laws are made. Even though im perfectly capable of driving my car 100 everywhere i go, the other idiots on the road dont need cars going 100 mph around them.....

with that said..... i feel like nearly every part of our society caters to incompetence. We live in an era where you have to put a "Warning, do not eat" label on a box of razor blades. I know i can travel safely at 100mph on the highway, people who cant...... maybe they dont need to have licenses.

This happens to me almost everyday, Crusing 75-80, just chillin, come up behind, usually a minivan or a truck that is just planted in the left lane, I sit behind them for a minute or two, and just go around, What dont people understand that its a passing lane? I should not have to pass you in the non passing lane, get some common sense people. It wouldnt matter if I was doing 71mph or 130mph, if I come up behind you in the left lane, and you can get over to the right, please do so. /rant.

Just throwing this out there id deal with atl driving the rest of my life b4 id ever move back yo orlanfo flordia they imo have the worst driving skills of anyone and blinkers are a thing of the past down there.

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Originally Posted by cprtyler

Just throwing this out there id deal with atl driving the rest of my life b4 id ever move back yo orlanfo flordia they imo have the worst driving skills of anyone and blinkers are a thing of the past down there.

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That's not just Orlando. That's the entire state of Florida. If anyone wants to know what it's like to drive with Florida drivers, just go driving in Cobb County for a day. Later, QD.

I can attest to that.

Ya know, The drivers on 78 are getting a lot better about it........

Check this out. Tonight I was on my way home, and I got behind a guy that wouldn't move over. I tried flashing him a couple times, and it actually worked. I passed him and thought no more of it, until I saw he pulled back into the left lane right in front of some guy. There wasn't a car in his lane that he was trying to go around, and there weren't any exits to the left. Some people :no:

i guess once it makes Jalopnik, it's pretty much agreed upon (by men at least)

How To Drive Properly Explained In One Simple Graphic

Nice... I wish I could post a sign with that flowchart on it

Actually driving an emergency vehicle doesn't give me any more right of way than any other person on the road way. If I am driving my rescue with my emergency light and sirens going and I collide with anyone, I am at fault regardless of who actually caused the accident.

It is a nice courtesy for people to move out of the path of an emergency vehicle. It would be nicer if everyone got their head out of their ass and moved to the right and not the left.

Saw 5 more people do the same thing that I described last night. They moved into the left lane without any reason, which clearly held up a line of cars all 5 times. Some people really need to learn ALL the rules of the road before driving on the road, and some people should just get banned from having a license period.