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    Mexican drug violence spills over into the US

    Just as government officials had feared, the drug violence raging in Mexico is spilling over into the United States.
    U.S. authorities are reporting a spike in killings, kidnappings and home invasions connected to Mexico's murderous cartels. And to some policymakers' surprise, much of the violence is happening not in towns along the border, where it was assumed the bloodshed would spread, but a considerable distance away, in places such as Phoenix and Atlanta.

    Investigators fear the violence could erupt elsewhere around the country because the Mexican cartels are believed to have set up drug-dealing operations all over the U.S., in such far-flung places as Anchorage, Alaska; Boston; and Sioux Falls, S.D.

    "The violence follows the drugs," said David Cuthbertson, agent in charge of the FBI's office in the border city of El Paso, Texas.

    The violence takes many forms: Drug customers who owe money are kidnapped until they pay up. Cartel employees who don't deliver the goods or turn over the profits are disciplined through beatings, kidnappings or worse. And drug smugglers kidnap illegal immigrants in clashes with human smugglers over the use of secret routes from Mexico.

    So far, the violence is nowhere near as grisly as the mayhem in Mexico, which has witnessed beheadings, assassinations of police officers and soldiers, and mass killings in which the bodies were arranged to send a message. But law enforcement officials worry the violence on this side could escalate.

    "They are capable of doing about anything," said Rusty Payne, a Drug Enforcement Administration spokesman in Washington. "When you are willing to chop heads off, put them in an ice chest and drop them off at a police precinct, or roll a head into a disco, put beheadings on YouTube as a warning," very little is off limits.

    In an apartment near Birmingham, Ala., police found five men with their throats slit in August. They had apparently been tortured with electric shocks before being killed in a murder-for-hire orchestrated by a Mexican drug organization over a drug debt of about $400,000.

    In Phoenix, 150 miles north of the Mexican border, police have reported a sharp increase in kidnappings and home invasions, with about 350 each year for the last two years, and say the majority were committed at the behest of the Mexican drug gangs.

    In June, heavily armed men stormed a Phoenix house and fired randomly, killing one person. Police believe it was the work of Mexican drug organizations.

    Authorities in Atlanta are also seeing an increase in drug-related kidnappings tied to Mexican cartels. Estimates of how many such crimes are being committed are hard to come by because many victims are connected to the cartels and unwilling to go to the police, said Rodney G. Benson, DEA agent in charge in Atlanta.

    Agents said they have rarely seen such brutality in the U.S. since the "Miami Vice" years of the 1980s, when Colombian cartels had the corner on the cocaine market in Florida.

    Last summer, Atlanta-area police found a Dominican man who had been beaten, bound, gagged and chained to a wall in a quiet, middle-class neighborhood in Lilburn, Ga. The 31-year-old Rhode Island resident owed $300,000 to Mexico's Gulf Cartel, Benson said. The Gulf Cartel, based in Matamoros just south of the Texas border, is one of the most ruthless of the Mexican organizations that deal drugs such as cocaine, marijuana, methamphetamine and heroin.
    "He was shackled to a wall and one suspect had an AK-47. The guy was in bad shape," Benson said. "I have no doubt in my mind if that ransom wasn't paid, he was going to be killed."

    In July, Atlanta-area police shot and killed a suspected kidnapper while he was trying to pick up a $2 million ransom owed to his cartel bosses, Benson said.

    State and federal governments have sent millions of dollars to local law enforcement along the Mexican border to help fend off spillover drug crime. But investigators believe Arizona and Atlanta are seeing the worst of the violence because they are major drug distribution hubs thanks to their webs of interstate highways.

    In fact, drug officials have dubbed Atlanta "the new Southwest border," said Jack Killorin, a former federal drug agent and director of the Atlanta region's High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area task force.

    El Paso, population 600,000, is only a quarter-mile away from Mexico's Ciudad Juarez, which has seen open gun battles and 1,700 murders in the last year. But El Paso remains one of America's safest cities, something Cuthbertson said is probably a result of the huge law enforcement presence in town, including thousands of Border Patrol and customs agents.

    In the past year, more than 5,000 people have been killed across Mexico in a power struggle among Mexico's drug cartels and ferocious fighting between them and the Mexican government. The cartels have established operations in at least 230 U.S. cities, according to the Justice Department's National Drug Intelligence Center.
    Payne said the U.S. and Mexico are working together to pressure the warring cartels. Payne cited the extradition of high-level drug suspects - four members of the Arellano Felix cartel in Tijuana were brought to the U.S. in December - and the capture or killings of several other top cartel leaders across Mexico in the past year.

    "We have to make sure that we attack these criminal organizations at every level so that we are safer not only in Mexico and on the Southwest border, but here in the rest of the country," Payne said.

    While some Americans may feel victimized by the spillover of violence, others are contributing to it. Americans provide 95 percent of the weapons used by the cartel, according to U.S. authorities. And Americans are the cartels' best customers, sending an estimated $28.5 billion in drug-sale proceeds across the Mexico border each year.

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    Typical drug shit..

    Don't seem random to me.... sounds like some people tried to rip off some drug dealers....
    This been going on for years.. Nothing new here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julio
    Typical drug shit..

    Don't seem random to me.... sounds like some people tried to rip off some drug dealers....
    This been going on for years.. Nothing new here...

    Actually it used to be much more peaceful. Then Calderon was elected in 2007 and made it clear he just won't put up with corruption, causing hell to break lose. It is now more likely for you to be kidnapped in Mexico then in Colombia, or anywhere in latin america...

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    Quote Originally Posted by plv
    Actually it used to be much more peaceful. Then Calderon was elected in 2007 and made it clear he just won't put up with corruption, causing hell to break lose. It is now more likely for you to be kidnapped in Mexico then in Colombia, or anywhere in latin america...
    Yes you are right. Mexico has been in the lime light as far as drug violence. It is absolutely crazy down there.
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    My uncles Ex-wife and 8 year old daughter where killed. She was dating a big time drug player and he stole money from cartel. They couldnt find him so they killed her and her daughter. She has 2 other daughters that are in hiding now. THis happened in Mexcali.

    And one of my Cousins was beheaded also. Not sure about the whole story, But the cartel sent his head to his wife.

    Another story, one of the top drug cartel guys fell out of a helicopter. Watching the baja 1000, his goons got in a huge shoot out with the police trying too recover his body. Then they went and bomed the police station that night.

    My parents have a vaction house down there, they have been living their for over a year. They tell me its crazy over there right now!!!!


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    Drugs are bad, mmkay.

    Seriously, it sucks when these completely innocent people are getting killed in the mix-up, and since that is happening all of this violence should be a concern, but I'm not really too worried about a drug dealer getting killed by the cartel.

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    now they are gonna beg the us for money. wait and see.
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    Damn thats fucking nuts. I've been to Matamoros plenty of times, that city is really bad...

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    Nothing new.
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    dang....thats bad

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    im from an hour away from matamoros in reynosa. in november they were gonna send a big time player to mexico city and the gulf cartel tried everything they could to take the guy off the cops hands . they have military patroling the city but its worthless they go after the wrong people .

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    nope i have been watching this on the news for the last couple of months. seeing it get worse and worse as time went on... soon it will spill over the the states and they'll expect us to fix everything as usual.
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    I see arm guards on the border that will shoot anything that attempts to cross the border in the near future, hopefully soon though
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    Quote Originally Posted by TIGERJC
    I see arm guards on the border that will shoot anything that attempts to cross the border in the near future, hopefully soon though
    x2, The mexican invasion needs to end
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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
    x2, The mexican nivasion needs tgo end


    Wow after reading this; this puts another fear into perpesctive. I knew that things were bad and how bad they COULD get but I guess i never realize that people would go to great heights such as public killings and beheadings. I know that if you had a wife with you at the time of your hit they would run a train on her while you watch helpless and make her into a whore if they dont kill her...

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    Mexicans - I thank you for the burrito supreme, the pinata, and the excellent work you've done on my front lawn. But please, gtfo.

    Enough is enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One_Bad_SHO
    Mexicans - I thank you for the burrito supreme, the pinata, and the excellent work you've done on my front lawn. But please, gtfo.

    Enough is enough.
    Damn man thats kinda harsh don't you think? A lot off latinos are good people they just get a bad wrap from everyone else

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    Lord, just build the fucking wall already. Make it huge, and electric at the top.

    Stop those fucking illegals from getting over here, stand with flamethrowers and M16's along the border. Have snipers. Stop those resource leaching bastards from destroying my country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGodfather
    Lord, just build the fucking wall already. Make it huge, and electric at the top.

    Stop those fucking illegals from getting over here, stand with flamethrowers and M16's along the border. Have snipers. Stop those resource leaching bastards from destroying my country.
    They would just dig under it!
    I saw a story on the news a few years ago were this drug cartel had made these people dig a long ass tunnel from Tijuana to california and then killed some of them so they wouldn't tell about the tunnel.



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    Quote Originally Posted by 01CDMLUDER
    They would just dig under it!
    I saw a story on the news a few years ago were this drug cartel had made these people dig a long ass tunnel from Tijuana to california and then killed some of them so they wouldn't tell about the tunnel.



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    i also remember seeing this story. i was thinking of something that to me, would be honestly funny as fuck to do. wait until they are making a big move in that tunnel. take control of both ends. and start pumping full of tear gas or something. o my and the LuLz that could be had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by §treet_§peed
    i also remember seeing this story. i was thinking of something that to me, would be honestly funny as fuck to do. wait until they are making a big move in that tunnel. take control of both ends. and start pumping full of tear gas or something. o my and the LuLz that could be had.

    Tear gas would be fun. I would volunteer to open the valve too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
    Tear gas would be fun. I would volunteer to open the valve too.
    o i would love to be there letting it spray too. maybe a mixture of tear gas, CS, and CN would be a little more spice of fun lol.
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    You cracker-jack motherfuckers are fucking crazy to think this drug war will somehow bring upon a magical law that'll officially lock down the border haha. The Mexican mafia already has control of most the west coast and now with drug lords moving further into the US it's going to be a lot tougher to get rid of the killing and drugs.

    These lowlife piss infested fucks aren't planning on staying here anyways. They just want their business to succeed and that's all. They could care less about all the whiny spoiled little fucktards known as Americans.

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    Crazy Article, that shit is intense, movie status!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevykev
    Crazy Article, that shit is intense, movie status!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cactusEG
    next blow or scarface ?
    That's what I was thinking..



    I honestly, 100%, think it should just be legalized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnURleft
    I honestly, 100%, think it should just be legalized.
    So you would have no problems with crackheads living on your street? What happens when they need to score and have no money? Do you think they will just decide not to get any because they are broke? No, they will do exactly what crackheads do now. They will rob and kill to get the money to get their next fix. The legality of crack will not change that.

    How about this, do you want to work at the store that sells it? No bars, no bullet proof glass, just you in the open telling the crackhead that a BJ will not get him or her a hit, only $20 will.

    Next, if you were a business owner, would you hire a crack head to stock shelves for you? How about run a drill press for you? Maybe man a cash register for you?


    Do you still think all drugs should be legal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
    So you would have no problems with crackheads living on your street? What happens when they need to score and have no money? Do you think they will just decide not to get any because they are broke? No, they will do exactly what crackheads do now. They will rob and kill to get the money to get their next fix. The legality of crack will not change that.
    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy

    How about this, do you want to work at the store that sells it? No bars, no bullet proof glass, just you in the open telling the crackhead that a BJ will not get him or her a hit, only $20 will.

    Next, if you were a business owner, would you hire a crack head to stock shelves for you? How about run a drill press for you? Maybe man a cash register for you?


    Do you still think all drugs should be legal?
    Who said anything about crack? What is this thread about or do you fail to comprehend it. Did you read the article?
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    All I'm saying is if your gonna live here don't make it any worse than it already is i.e. crime rate. And mexican is some of the best food for some reason. I could eat that stuff 6 1/2 days a week

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    Crazy stuff. We could use that wall right about now. From another perspective, if drugs were legal the cartels wouldn't be in business.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Problematik
    Crazy stuff. We could use that wall right about now. From another perspective, if drugs were legal the cartels wouldn't be in business.
    what mkes u think that would stop other countries from smuggling ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Problematik
    Crazy stuff. We could use that wall right about now. From another perspective, if drugs were legal the cartels wouldn't be in business.

    You would just have a crime rate go through the roof because of all the crack heads trying to score.


    Legal mexicans do get a bad rap from the lazy shitheads that come to this country, commit crimes then run back to mexico or just stay here and let us support them for however long they are here. I believe any illegal that is arrested should be microchipped, like a dog, that way they can be tracked when they come back.

    Another idea would be to just invade mexico. Break it up into a dozen more states and call it a day. It would also make a much shorter southern border. A visible Cartel like they have there would be under control pretty quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cactusEG
    what mkes u think that would stop other countries from smuggling ?
    They wouldn't be here, so I really don't care.
    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
    You would just have a crime rate go through the roof because of all the crack heads trying to score.
    Legal=cheaper prices for crackheads=less crime to commit to get that fix.


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    Hey maybe if they all kill each other and die - maybe we wont have a drug problem?

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    why not just send a few nukes there way? with Viva La Mexico written on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by §treet_§peed
    why not just send a few nukes there way? with Viva La Mexico written on them.
    Fucking dumb ass ! Always making worthless post..

    Quote Originally Posted by Problematik
    They wouldn't be here, so I really don't care.

    Legal=cheaper prices for crackheads=less crime to commit to get that fix.
    Are u talking about drugs or illegal ppl ?
    Quote Originally Posted by OnURleft
    That's what I was thinking..



    I honestly, 100%, think it should just be legalized.
    weed maybe ( I dont smoke the shit) but meth and other hard core drugs, NO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cactusEG
    Fucking dumb ass ! Always making worthless post..



    Are u talking about drugs or illegal ppl ?


    weed maybe ( I dont smoke the shit) but meth and other hard core drugs, NO!
    no not really. that would solve many problems.
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