The God Delusion-Richard Dawkins

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10-25-2008, 08:36 PM
DrivenMind

I'm not against spirituality, or having an appreciation for all the finer details that make up the world.

I simply don't think religion has anything to do with either of them. It would like to pretend it does, but it doesn't.
10-27-2008, 05:06 PM
Maniacc

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Originally Posted by David88vert

Your example is that of a bacterium having a mutation, not the creation of a new species - they are still bacterium. There is a huge difference between the two. There are lots of mutations in this world, in fact, plenty of humans have them also. But that does not mean that you suddenly can go form homo sapiens to homo erectus. In fact, they can't even map all the genetic differences between the 2 species yet.

Show me a genetic change from one species to another. That is the core belief that one species can give birth to a new improved species. Show me one species that you can definitively show transformation through natural genetic mutation. Science has yet to find an observable link between 2 species as such. Currently, all "links" are not substantiated by genetics. They have yet to show that a naturally occuring genetic mutation improves a species, and can be passed on to future offspring, to the point of creating a new species.

There was something similar a while back...

http://www.umich.edu/news/index.html.../Feb04/r022004

Basically, they took e coli mutants that couldn't make the disulfide bonds needed to produce their flagella, dumped 'em in a petri dish for a game of Swim or Die. And sure enough, they managed to evolve flagella again, but this time with some other chemical instead of disulfides.

What I got from your post is that you're not going to be satisfied until you actually see an organism evolve into an even more complex organism. Or seeing a monkey walk up-right and show signs of intelligence. I mean dude, you know as well as I do that this requires time!

Just because we can't truly observe it doesn't mean it has mathematical errors. DNA similarities are there. What else do you have that can disprove evolution?
10-27-2008, 05:35 PM
David88vert

If you understood genetics, you would understand that it is not mathematically probably for evolution. I can PM you some links if you like, or you can go search for earlier threads in the correct section, where this has already been addressed.
The time that you need for it to work will not fit into the physical limitations of our world. How old do you really think the sun can be in order for Mercury to exist? For the moon to exist? Do you realize the rate that the sun shrinks? Or that the moon is moving away from the Earth? Do you understand how that affects gravity, and how life is affected as well? Physics shows that the time that you are relying upon is not as large as you would expect.
Physics, mathematics, and genetics are just some of the issues that an evolutionary theory has to answer. However, if you wish to believe it solely on faith, that is up to you and is similar to those that believe in religion on faith.
10-27-2008, 05:54 PM
Maniacc

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Originally Posted by David88vert

If you understood genetics, you would understand that it is not mathematically probably for evolution. I can PM you some links if you like, or you can go search for earlier threads in the correct section, where this has already been addressed.
The time that you need for it to work will not fit into the physical limitations of our world. How old do you really think the sun can be in order for Mercury to exist? For the moon to exist? Do you realize the rate that the sun shrinks? Or that the moon is moving away from the Earth? Do you understand how that affects gravity, and how life is affected as well? Physics shows that the time that you are relying upon is not as large as you would expect.
Physics, mathematics, and genetics are just some of the issues that an evolutionary theory has to answer. However, if you wish to believe it solely on faith, that is up to you and is similar to those that believe in religion on faith.

I remember you talking about this in my God vs. Science thread awhile back.

What I'm saying is that we've already observed some things that could help out the evolutionary theory. No matter which way you look at it.

And yes, I am a little familier on how gravity plays a role in our galaxy and the universe. I'm not as dumb as other IA members lol.

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