Another motorcycle death....

Unfortunately, it was his lack of skill that caught up with him while being pursued by GSP. Lets face it, judging from the video it was only a matter of time anyways. Luckly no one else was injured when he was unable to make a turn(go fiqure) and launch his bike into a building and parking lot. Its a shame that he decided that the probably $75 ticket was worth more than his life and his girlfriends. I feel bad for his/her families in this horrible time, but feel no pity for him at all. Its not the cops fault, if you don't obey the laws be prepared to face the consequences(in this case, they would have been far less severe than death). Congrats to him for contributing to the sterotype that motorcyclist recieve :goodjob: Dawin called, he wants his GSXR back.

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Originally Posted by brittoknee

I dunno about you, but from what I've seen.. from that wheelie vid especially... the guy was a typical squid. NO gear other than a helmet and wheelie-ing into turns is enough for me to think that.



yep.. you're right about that. A GSP officer told me a few weeks ago himself they are ready and willing to chase


It sucks all the way around... but in the end they both made bad decisions. There's no defense on that guy risking HER life in addition to his like that and at the same time she probably should have been more careful about jumping on the back of just anybody's bike. Serves as an example to everyone... think twice before you make decisions that could very easily impact others. We've all done stupid things similar to this, but sometimes the outcome is much harsher...

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nope they are the exact definition of squid- super quick until i die.

damn this the only post in the WL that is still on topic.

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Originally Posted by JITB

So when people risk their lives and kill themselves....good riddance.

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Yessir. I feel nothing for the driver of the bike. It sucks that the passenger had to die at the stupidity of the driver. I would only feel any sympathy towards the passenger, the passenger's family and the driver's family. I wouldn't be surprised if the passenger's family didn't turn around and sue the driver's family in a wrongful death lawsuit. And I think they should. Later, QD.

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Originally Posted by StuntallDay

I know that I myself have done plenty of things that could have ended my life.
Stupid, yes...Would I DESERVE to die? I don't think so.

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Depends on the nature of your stupidity. Talking about the stupid things YOU said you did, not calling you stupid. Later, QD.

I knew this girl personally. The driver was a good rider, just apparently made some dumb decisions that night that cost his and her life.

RIP

Ok, so there are some that believe that chase laws should be amended to stop ALL chases. Then there are those that believe the police should chase at all times. Furthermore there are those that think that police should use discretion when confronted with a chase. Here's my take. Yes, chases are very dangerous. They not only put those involved in extreme dangerm, but also put innocent bystanders in danger. Chases most always end bad for somebody, but more often than not the bad happens to the one being chased. Now, if police were told that they could not chase at all we would have far more law breakers simply take off anytime they saw the blue lights behind them. That could end badly too. The person who took off may be drunk and end up killing someone in a horrible accident unrelated to a chase, or the person who was not chased could have been a murderer or child abducter who just killed your family member or kidnapped your baby. As long as there are cars and bikes on the road with free willed people driving them there will always be people running from the law. As long as government continues to try to uphold the law that keeps the majority of the population safe there will be chases. So what is the solution???


One crazy idea.....put cops on GSX-R's specially trained to chase other bikes. Let the squad car show up later to haul the perp away. I think the thought process might change for a rider who knows he is being pursued by a vehicle that will match him tick for tick. :2cents:

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Originally Posted by DJ Maestro

One crazy idea.....put cops on GSX-R's specially trained to chase other bikes. Let the squad car show up later to haul the perp away. I think the thought process might change for a rider who knows he is being pursued by a vehicle that will match him tick for tick. :2cents:

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i like it. how about using the old 500cc moto gp bikes as pursuit vehicles.

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Originally Posted by StuntallDay

It's easy to pass judgements on the driver and to say that he deserved to die for running but at the end of the day he's someone's son, dad, grandson, etc.....

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I am going to have to agree with this one.... Aside of everything else, this is the truth. Nobody has lived a life of innocense their whole life. Either you have stole something, lied about something serious, beat the piss out of someone, ran from the cops to avoid tickets.... The list could go on for days but its so easy for people to wish death upon someone these days. I don't think he deserved to die... Its just happened that way in this case because he made used bad judgement vs. common sense. Its horrible that they both died in that accident especially her bc she had obviously no control of the situation. I feel for both families bc as previously stated, they were both someones children, grandchildren.

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Originally Posted by DJ Maestro

Ok, so there are some that believe that chase laws should be amended to stop ALL chases. Then there are those that believe the police should chase at all times.

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I think law enforcement should use better judgement before engaging into a chase.

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Originally Posted by DJ Maestro

One crazy idea.....put cops on GSX-R's specially trained to chase other bikes. Let the squad car show up later to haul the perp away. I think the thought process might change for a rider who knows he is being pursued by a vehicle that will match him tick for tick.

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I believe that would only cause more accidents. I believe more experienced riders would consider this a challenge and set the bar higher. Most stunt riders and street racers are in this scene for a rush in case most have forgotten.

I do agree that law enforcement should use better judgement, but I also believe that they should be allowed to chase when they decide it is needed.

Cops don't need bikes to chase bikes. The cars they have do just fine. What it doesn't have in acceleration, it has in better maneuverability at speed, ease of operation, better aerodynamics, and GSP/Motorola equipment.

That being said, this situation would have been the same no matter what kind of vehicle chased them.

I can't fault the po-po in this situation. They didn't use any crazy pit maneuvers or anything to end the chase... the rider was at the controls and it was him that caused the crash.

Honestly... if he was as wreckless a rider on the street as I have read, it was likely only a matter of time. there is NO excuse for aggressive riding like that on public roads when there are freaking 4-5 motorcycle tracks within a 2-hr drive of Atlanta.

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Originally Posted by DJ Maestro

I do agree that law enforcement should use better judgement, but I also believe that they should be allowed to chase when they decide it is needed.

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I agree completely. I think factors such as traffic and weather conditions, not to mention passengers should play into if a chased should be engaged in or not....Sometimes the lesser of the two evils is letting a perp go...

I think an alternative to roadway chases would be using helicopters as an aid to track down individuals that run...

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Originally Posted by Tarzanman

Cops don't need bikes to chase bikes. The cars they have do just fine. What it doesn't have in acceleration, it has in better maneuverability at speed, ease of operation, better aerodynamics, and GSP/Motorola equipment.

That being said, this situation would have been the same no matter what kind of vehicle chased them.

I can't fault the po-po in this situation. They didn't use any crazy pit maneuvers or anything to end the chase... the rider was at the controls and it was him that caused the crash.

Honestly... if he was as wreckless a rider on the street as I have read, it was likely only a matter of time. there is NO excuse for aggressive riding like that on public roads when there are freaking 4-5 motorcycle tracks within a 2-hr drive of Atlanta.

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that is true he ran from the cops so he was being careless to begin with.

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Originally Posted by quickdodge®

Yessir. I feel nothing for the driver of the bike. It sucks that the passenger had to die at the stupidity of the driver. I would only feel any sympathy towards the passenger, the passenger's family and the driver's family. I wouldn't be surprised if the passenger's family didn't turn around and sue the driver's family in a wrongful death lawsuit. And I think they should. Later, QD.

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I heard from friends that the driver of the bike was careless as you can see from the you tube video. it was a matter of time. It just sucks that she was on the back fo the bike. I knew her and I heard that she said he was a crazy bike rider and careless.. well see what happens if the family sues

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Here's how I see it. If I were a cop & saw someone on a motorcycle doing stupid stuff & speeding I would let them go and think to myself "that person must have a death wish" and not risk anyone elses life chasing them down for a 200 dollar speeding ticket. [QUOTE]

How is it not risking anyone elses life by letting them go? He could let him go and he will 'do stupid stuff and speed' into your grandma's minivan 2 miles up the road....

This is a typical case of 'damned if you do and damned if you don't'.

By being chased and crashing, everyone is blaming the cop.

But if he were to speed and crash into Miss Churchgoer, everyone would blame the cop for not stopping speeders/ catching speeders/ doing their job etc.

An easier solution: Don't speed and do stupid stuff. And just pull over when you're caught.

But of course that would not be the 'Man' thing to do I guess.....

Now if every cop just backed off on speeders (motorcycles and/or cars), wouldn't you think everyone will be doing it since they can get away with it?

This guy was a perfect example of wrong choices. I believe a lot of bikers are thinking twice now before trying to be 'billy bad-ass' and run away from a cop, and just take the ticket rather than risking their lives.... and others....

Best thing to remember......


You can't run from God's Special People. They won't let you. :D

More importantly who was the ****ing idiot who stopped by the scene to ask what happened and got popped with a DUI...

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Another male motorist who stopped at the scene to ask troopers what was going on was arrested and charged with DUI after they noticed alcohol on his breath.

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Isnt it a law in GA that cops CANNOT chase a bike if it runs?

A GSXR is absolutely not match whatsoever for a crown vic. And if the rider is good, hell no match for 10 Crown Vics.

In this particular case, both people died because of the chase. I think it is the cops fault in this one. I personally knew that girl that died, so I have my side with her.

However, it is dangerous and reckless to endanger everyone on the road. We have all seen the idiots. So it needs to have some judgement to who they chase and who they don't chase. I do not think they should chase bikes for this reason. It is better idea to let them go.

Yes, a 400 lb bike can do damage to people if GSP lets them run. However, not nearly as much as my 5800 lb truck. Chase the cars/trucks. Leave the idiots on the bikes run, it wastes less gas anyway.

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Originally Posted by SOHC MONSTER

I am going to have to agree with this one.... Aside of everything else, this is the truth. Nobody has lived a life of innocense their whole life. Either you have stole something, lied about something serious, beat the piss out of someone, ran from the cops to avoid tickets.... The list could go on for days

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That's very, very baseless. Trust me.

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Originally Posted by SOHC MONSTER

but its so easy for people to wish death upon someone these days. I don't think he deserved to die..

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In this day and age it's gotten to be every man for himself. I wish it wasn't, but that's how it is. And in saying that, better someone that has no regards to fall than someone who does. Later, QD.

this suks either way it went down....RIP to both

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Originally Posted by quickdodge®

Yessir. I feel nothing for the driver of the bike. It sucks that the passenger had to die at the stupidity of the driver. I would only feel any sympathy towards the passenger, the passenger's family and the driver's family. I wouldn't be surprised if the passenger's family didn't turn around and sue the driver's family in a wrongful death lawsuit. And I think they should. Later, QD.

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Actually I believe they are sueing the GSP :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by slow_hatch

Actually I believe they are sueing the GSP :rolleyes:

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Damn. That sucks. That would be like me making a delivery to Wal Mart and someone suing me for doing my job. The fucc is this world coming to really? Later, QD.

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Originally Posted by quickdodge®

Damn. That sucks. That would be like me making a delivery to Wal Mart and someone suing me for doing my job. The fucc is this world coming to really? Later, QD.

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Yeah, go fiqure. Apparently everyone thinks that the police shouldn't chase cars/bikes and everyone should just have a free for all on the hwy. :rolleyes:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b8...olicechase.jpg

^^^^ LMAO Reps to you !!

Sucks for this to happen especially with a passenger.

Cops normally will let bike run esp when there is a lot of traffic. They will call ahead and see if one of their buddies can pull them over. This happened at night with few cars on the road and the officers had every right and did a good job of pursuing the bike. Im sure there were cops on waiting at every exit bc it would have been impossible for them to keep up.

To place the blame of the officers is fuc*ing ridiculous. Its like when every fat ass in america tried to sue Mcdonalds for making them fat. U eat and u get fat.....U run and u risk wrecking.

i have my motorcycle license but im scared to get a bike and go ride just cause im more worried about other drivers and riders!

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Originally Posted by HalfBaked

More importantly who was the ****ing idiot who stopped by the scene to ask what happened and got popped with a DUI...

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They were riding in a group from the vortex..... the entire pack ran from the cops... he was just the dumbass to get off the hwy at ridiculous speeds

this is just my opinion but i highly doubt that the original gsp that started the chase was anywhere near the scene of the accident when it happened, i'm willing to bet that there was another gsp waiting on that exit, i have heard rumors of a guy across the street saying that he saw a trooper bump the bike.. who knows if that is true or not but how many chargers have you seen that can hang with a bike for 20 miles at 180 mph. either way something should be done about police chases regarding bikes, i'm not saying they shouldnt be allowed to chase but after a couple minutes if they haven't stopped back off and catch them when they go home, they had the tag number. I think it all boiled down to a cop on a powertrip wanting a rush.

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Originally Posted by JDM-95-Hatch

this is just my opinion but i highly doubt that the original gsp that started the chase was anywhere near the scene of the accident when it happened, i'm willing to bet that there was another gsp waiting on that exit, i have heard rumors of a guy across the street saying that he saw a trooper bump the bike.. who knows if that is true or not but how many chargers have you seen that can hang with a bike for 20 miles at 180 mph. either way something should be done about police chases regarding bikes, i'm not saying they shouldnt be allowed to chase but after a couple minutes if they haven't stopped back off and catch them when they go home, they had the tag number. I think it all boiled down to a cop on a powertrip wanting a rush.

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i believe the bike didnt have a tag.

i know the guy and know he had a tag, rode with him many times..

Ok I am going to rant and you people are just going to have to deal with it....

Whats wrong with americans these days?!?!?! I mean this guy obviously was a complete dumbass, and the girl obviously wasnt much smarter. Look at the video, she willingly knew he was a dumbass for pulling wheelies with her on the back of it.
If i was a motorcycle rider I would be completely outraged at someone like this.
Go figure that there trying to sue for chasing them down. What about Public endangerment on the riders side? Anyone say anything about that... NO why b/c he died. Guess what obviously by the video posted it was a matter of time before this "Ruff Ryder" died anyways.

Oh an chargers top out at 140 so if this chase really was as long as they say it was then there is no way that car could keep up with him. GSP doesn't have the same set of laws that County or city has. They are aloud to chase you down. I don't feel sorry for anyone who thinks they can out run a cop. You may be faster then his car, but not his radio. You also may get away once but do you seriously think you'll keep getting away?

http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/fo...d.php?t=242468
^^^ for all you genious' who think they would rather get hit by a bike then a car. **** that i would rather not get hit by either of them!
/end rant :2up:

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Originally Posted by JDM-95-Hatch

I think it all boiled down to a cop on a powertrip wanting a rush.

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That's what everyone wants to blame their troubles on. Later, QD.

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Originally Posted by JDM-95-Hatch

this is just my opinion but i highly doubt that the original gsp that started the chase was anywhere near the scene of the accident when it happened, i'm willing to bet that there was another gsp waiting on that exit, i have heard rumors of a guy across the street saying that he saw a trooper bump the bike.. who knows if that is true or not but how many chargers have you seen that can hang with a bike for 20 miles at 180 mph. either way something should be done about police chases regarding bikes, i'm not saying they shouldnt be allowed to chase but after a couple minutes if they haven't stopped back off and catch them when they go home, they had the tag number. I think it all boiled down to a cop on a powertrip wanting a rush.

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orr how about the guy on the motorcycle stop...and pull over...

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Originally Posted by JITB

orr how about the guy on the motorcycle stop...and pull over...

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I definately agree thats what should have happened, but he didnt and the cop should have used better judgement after the chase went on for awhile, instead of pursuing until 2 KIDS were dead.

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Originally Posted by JDM-95-Hatch

I definately agree thats what should have happened, but he didnt and the cop should have used better judgement after the chase went on for awhile, instead of pursuing until 2 KIDS were dead.

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when does the person breaking the law take responsiablity(SP?) ?? After there dead? :goodjob: