Iraq: Did You Know

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Originally Posted by tony

I just thought about this, the Executive Branch.. Commander in Chief is not responsible for the state of the United States Economy? The man who ultimately has Veto power over anything Congress approves and sign into law ANY bill isn't responsible?

lol You've got to be kidding me, I'm sure if the economy was exploding you would say we need to thank Bush but now its not his fault? Well why have a president then? I guess we can just get things done on our own.

Bad Economic policy is wasting $400 Billion on a war that shows no return on investment while your people are losing jobs to other countries, losing their homes and the value of your currency is plummeting at an alarming rate. Bad economic policy is not investing in infrastructure for energy independence while your citizens are held captive by the Oil industry because there is no competition and essentially.. a monopoly. Good economic policy would not leave millions of citizens without proper healthcare and allow an affordable solution for much needed medications.

Bush himself doctored "No Child Left Behind" and now almost half of our teenagers are not graduating from high school. Please explain how George Bush, the one man with the most control over domestic policy over the last 8 years bears not an ounce of burden over the state of the U.S?

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Having read your post I want to say something about all this. I generally agree with what you said but a couple of points I disagree with.

The first being

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Originally Posted by tony

Bad Economic policy is wasting $400 Billion on a war that shows no return on investment

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Please tell me what war in the history of our country has ever showed a return investment? When has a country ever fully payed its repreations and we made money off of it.

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Originally Posted by tony

losing their homes

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This is an issue I have been thinking about lately. While I feel bad that there are people who are losing their homes due to the big Adjustable Rate Mortgage trend in the end people are responsible for their own actions. Nobody put a gun to these people's head and told them buy the house or eat lead. If you don't read through the contract and now what comes after the first two years of being on the lower rate than you shouldn't be buying ahouse alone anyways. Maybe the government should not have allowed this but. I do not see how it is the governments responsibilty to save people from their own dumb financial decisions. I was watching Gretta Van Sustren last night and she did an interview with John McCain and I personally have been saying this all along. The only way for people to recover from this is to get to the bottom so that we can start over and begin growth again. The government negotiating with mortgate companies to extend the time underwhich they get the lower intrest rate does nothing but prolounge the problem.

ugh.. this is making me sick readin all this but hell here's my opinion. First off to all who blame bush.. How many of you VOTED last election? Really? Second i have two cousins and at least 5 close friends who have been over there twice, one taking six bullets in the chest and surviving and one so far into spec ops we havent heard from him in months and they all agree that this war wasnt what they were expecting. anybody believing it was going to take less than a year on a country like that was a damn fool. It isnt that simple anymore like it was in '91. Totally diffrent situation. My belief is this: we were wrong going there period i was all for afghanistan that was cleaning up a mess we made (Taliban was our fault along with Osama). But Iraq. 6 years and money wasted and **** like that along with lives I understand the sacrifices our military makes and the brave souls who sign up for the military take. Hell i woulda been there if not for the fact that i have a bad heart murmur. My point is this quit putting things on troops and start throwing it on the guy we elect (or failed to elect) and quit bitching about 8 years of our economy and education going to the ****ter. Because half of my graduating class got left behind and its only getting worse. We cant fix another country without fixing ourselves first. we still look hypocritical for doing that. Also not dissin the Iraqi's or any other country in their position but really name one point in history that hasnt rebelled against their government if they were that bad. France, Russia, China, Hell even our own damn country couldnt stand england and fought back. IF these guys can take out 4,000+ troops in 6 years Where the hell were these guys on their own damn government. I dont wanna hear any oh they couldnt fight back. bull**** they coulda and didnt. you can only take but so damn much. If you look in history long enough it makes sense. WE WERE THERE FOR NO DAMN REASON. No WMD has been found that i know of. Saddam was probably too busy getting gold tp while his crazy ass sons raped half the country to get **** for a nuke. And even if al durka durka was ****ing there surgical strikes aside we are spreading our soldiers too damn thin. Point is you got two choices vote this year or pray McCain's lil 100 years of being over there is worth more american lives. If you can live with that then hell I can't argue with you but honestly man I want my cousins home for our reunion this year instead of talkin to them over a satellite phone and email.

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Originally Posted by redGT

Having read your post I want to say something about all this. I generally agree with what you said but a couple of points I disagree with.

The first being

Please tell me what war in the history of our country has ever showed a return investment? When has a country ever fully payed its repreations and we made money off of it.


This is an issue I have been thinking about lately. While I feel bad that there are people who are losing their homes due to the big Adjustable Rate Mortgage trend in the end people are responsible for their own actions. Nobody put a gun to these people's head and told them buy the house or eat lead. If you don't read through the contract and now what comes after the first two years of being on the lower rate than you shouldn't be buying ahouse alone anyways. Maybe the government should not have allowed this but. I do not see how it is the governments responsibilty to save people from their own dumb financial decisions. I was watching Gretta Van Sustren last night and she did an interview with John McCain and I personally have been saying this all along. The only way for people to recover from this is to get to the bottom so that we can start over and begin growth again. The government negotiating with mortgate companies to extend the time underwhich they get the lower intrest rate does nothing but prolounge the problem.

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first problem is why the hell would anybody in their right mind go for an adjustable rate? you're better off ina n apartment at that point. Honestly imo Financial education and not saving nickles and dimes but real walstreet financial education is a better shot. real estate investing yeah saving your money helps but face social security isnt going to be around much longer at this rate. People jumping into houses without reading the fine print and living outside their mean doesnt help. If people really read and understood what they read it would soften the blow. Im reading into that now because im just tryin to get the hell out of renting a damn apartment but a fixed rate is just way smarter of an idea no surprise raise in mortgage.:2cents:

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Originally Posted by bafbrian

So, how long have they been conducting these operations by themselves ?

How long has the US Military ?

When compared to the US Military, or any established military, of course they aren't gonna be as secure with their actions. This coming from a member of the US Army, myself. But, you are entitled to your opinion.

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Marine here... but hey my opinion is somewhat decent...

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Originally Posted by 0p7!mu5

ugh.. this is making me sick readin all this but hell here's my opinion. First off to all who blame bush.. How many of you VOTED last election? Really? Second i have two cousins and at least 5 close friends who have been over there twice, one taking six bullets in the chest and surviving and one so far into spec ops we havent heard from him in months and they all agree that this war wasnt what they were expecting. anybody believing it was going to take less than a year on a country like that was a damn fool. It isnt that simple anymore like it was in '91. Totally diffrent situation. My belief is this: we were wrong going there period i was all for afghanistan that was cleaning up a mess we made (Taliban was our fault along with Osama). But Iraq. 6 years and money wasted and **** like that along with lives I understand the sacrifices our military makes and the brave souls who sign up for the military take. Hell i woulda been there if not for the fact that i have a bad heart murmur. My point is this quit putting things on troops and start throwing it on the guy we elect (or failed to elect) and quit bitching about 8 years of our economy and education going to the ****ter. Because half of my graduating class got left behind and its only getting worse. We cant fix another country without fixing ourselves first. we still look hypocritical for doing that. Also not dissin the Iraqi's or any other country in their position but really name one point in history that hasnt rebelled against their government if they were that bad. France, Russia, China, Hell even our own damn country couldnt stand england and fought back. IF these guys can take out 4,000+ troops in 6 years Where the hell were these guys on their own damn government. I dont wanna hear any oh they couldnt fight back. bull**** they coulda and didnt. you can only take but so damn much. If you look in history long enough it makes sense. WE WERE THERE FOR NO DAMN REASON. No WMD has been found that i know of. Saddam was probably too busy getting gold tp while his crazy ass sons raped half the country to get **** for a nuke. And even if al durka durka was ****ing there surgical strikes aside we are spreading our soldiers too damn thin. Point is you got two choices vote this year or pray McCain's lil 100 years of being over there is worth more american lives. If you can live with that then hell I can't argue with you but honestly man I want my cousins home for our reunion this year instead of talkin to them over a satellite phone and email.

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Very true...but going off a family members experience still shouldnt be your judgement... go get you some action and make your own assumptions

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Originally Posted by 0p7!mu5

ugh.. this is making me sick readin all this but hell here's my opinion. First off to all who blame bush.. How many of you VOTED last election? Really? Second i have two cousins and at least 5 close friends who have been over there twice, one taking six bullets in the chest and surviving and one so far into spec ops we havent heard from him in months and they all agree that this war wasnt what they were expecting. anybody believing it was going to take less than a year on a country like that was a damn fool. It isnt that simple anymore like it was in '91. Totally diffrent situation. My belief is this: we were wrong going there period i was all for afghanistan that was cleaning up a mess we made (Taliban was our fault along with Osama). But Iraq. 6 years and money wasted and **** like that along with lives I understand the sacrifices our military makes and the brave souls who sign up for the military take. Hell i woulda been there if not for the fact that i have a bad heart murmur. My point is this quit putting things on troops and start throwing it on the guy we elect (or failed to elect) and quit bitching about 8 years of our economy and education going to the ****ter. Because half of my graduating class got left behind and its only getting worse. We cant fix another country without fixing ourselves first. we still look hypocritical for doing that. Also not dissin the Iraqi's or any other country in their position but really name one point in history that hasnt rebelled against their government if they were that bad. France, Russia, China, Hell even our own damn country couldnt stand england and fought back. IF these guys can take out 4,000+ troops in 6 years Where the hell were these guys on their own damn government. I dont wanna hear any oh they couldnt fight back. bull**** they coulda and didnt. you can only take but so damn much. If you look in history long enough it makes sense. WE WERE THERE FOR NO DAMN REASON. No WMD has been found that i know of. Saddam was probably too busy getting gold tp while his crazy ass sons raped half the country to get **** for a nuke. And even if al durka durka was ****ing there surgical strikes aside we are spreading our soldiers too damn thin. Point is you got two choices vote this year or pray McCain's lil 100 years of being over there is worth more american lives. If you can live with that then hell I can't argue with you but honestly man I want my cousins home for our reunion this year instead of talkin to them over a satellite phone and email.

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LOL. Your post is the most jumbled and rambled post I have read in this thread thus far.

I do find it funny that it seems that you are the type of person who believes everything they see on the news. Doo some research on McCain's 100 years in Iraq comment and you'll see what was actually said.

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Originally Posted by 95alty

Very true...but going off a family members experience still shouldnt be your judgement... go get you some action and make your own assumptions

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would if i could but cant im not basing it entirely off of them but it is a pretty sensitive subject. i understand helping other countries but man damn. im not sayin speedy withdrawl or anything because that would leave a major pwoer vaccum. but i do believe we gotta go and strike elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by redGT

Having read your post I want to say something about all this. I generally agree with what you said but a couple of points I disagree with.

The first being

Please tell me what war in the history of our country has ever showed a return investment? When has a country ever fully payed its repreations and we made money off of it.

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Contrary to belief.. I understand due to the great failure of this Iraq war its hard to believe there is a positive outcome of war but there are plenty of examples I could give that had a positive outcome. Civil War is the first that comes to mind, Desert Storm..

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Originally Posted by redGT

This is an issue I have been thinking about lately. While I feel bad that there are people who are losing their homes due to the big Adjustable Rate Mortgage trend in the end people are responsible for their own actions. Nobody put a gun to these people's head and told them buy the house or eat lead. If you don't read through the contract and now what comes after the first two years of being on the lower rate than you shouldn't be buying ahouse alone anyways. Maybe the government should not have allowed this but. I do not see how it is the governments responsibilty to save people from their own dumb financial decisions. I was watching Gretta Van Sustren last night and she did an interview with John McCain and I personally have been saying this all along. The only way for people to recover from this is to get to the bottom so that we can start over and begin growth again. The government negotiating with mortgate companies to extend the time underwhich they get the lower intrest rate does nothing but prolounge the problem.

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I originally had the position you did, trust me I see what you are saying but I spoke with my sister at length about this, she is really intelligent on the subject. ARM's were tailored for residents of California where a conventional mortgage was not financially viable. Of course this caught on and even Alan Greenspan himself endorsed the ARM.

I have a 7 year ARM on my house and had an interest online loan on an investment I had.. I am one of the more educated home buyers but the average person just doesn't understand the legal talk in purchasing a house. Emotion gets involved, they hear they are approved for the house of their dreams and voila.. deal done and someone has more responsibility than they can handle.

I'm not saying the government should bail them out, there is a lesson to be learned here but certainly the role of the government is to make sure the market is fair, and that there are fair lending practices... I'm sorry but that did not go on.

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Originally Posted by tony

Contrary to belief.. I understand due to the great failure of this Iraq war its hard to believe there is a positive outcome of war but there are plenty of examples I could give that had a positive outcome. Civil War is the first that comes to mind, Desert Storm..

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I think you missed what I was getting at as I am not entirely against the war nor do I believe that we should get out earlier. What I was trying to say in response to your coment earlier about the war being a $400billion dollar sink hole with no return investment. My point was other than say the revolution and maybe the Civil War where did we either break even or make money?

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Originally Posted by tony

I originally had the position you did, trust me I see what you are saying but I spoke with my sister at length about this, she is really intelligent on the subject. ARM's were tailored for residents of California where a conventional mortgage was not financially viable. Of course this caught on and even Alan Greenspan himself endorsed the ARM.

I have a 7 year ARM on my house and had an interest online loan on an investment I had.. I am one of the more educated home buyers but the average person just doesn't understand the legal talk in purchasing a house. Emotion gets involved, they hear they are approved for the house of their dreams and voila.. deal done and someone has more responsibility than they can handle.

I'm not saying the government should bail them out, there is a lesson to be learned here but certainly the role of the government is to make sure the market is fair, and that there are fair lending practices... I'm sorry but that did not go on.

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I understand and agree that there is a lesson to be learned in all of this all I'm saying is business is business and that if these people didn't sit down and see what they were getting themselves into than it's their own fault ultimately. I understand that buying a house is emotional but when your putting a great chunk of your credit on the line you should be going over your contract with a fine comb.

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Originally Posted by redrumracer

just as quick as the president can veto something the congress can still overturn his veto. he alone can not make the decision to go to war. it has to be voted upon and approved. he can do a military campaign but only so long until it has to be voted on and the troops brought home. also healthcare shouldnt be the responsibility of the government it should be up to the individual and no child left behind act is a public law that was still voted upon and accepted by congress. does bush deserve some of the blame? sure, but all of it? no. he is in the public eye all the time and as such is the easiest target. and no he doesnt have the most control the congress has the most control

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best thing posted in this thread:goodjob:

People seem to forget that our country is NOT a democracy...its a REPUBLIC!!

Think for yourself, do things on your own. If you are not physically or mentally capable the there are safegaurds, but it should NOT be up to the government to save lazy peoples asses..

+whatever I'm worth

saving lazy peoples asses? thats bs. I am far from lazy, I work hard, and I JUST got health insurance, mainly because it was required by school and I got in on the cheap thru them. If something would have happened to me, I woulda been FVCKED. Hospital bills are no joke. So before you assume every uninsured person is just a crack head on welfare, think again. Most of the people that struggle with rising healthcare costs are middle class, hard working people that fall through the cracks in the system.

A universal healthcare system would not be so bad... take a look at the system in the UK. Sure its not perfect, but we could take their platform and improve on it. The reason it will probably never happen is because with this kind of system, physicians tend to medicate you less (ie, they dont prescribe you a shyt-ton of pills that you could probably do without). Big pharm firms (ie eli lilly, astro zeneca, glaxo, etc) don't want that- they love charging you crazy money for something that doesnt work (ie. vytorin). With our current system, people get left behind while insurance executives and big pharmaceutical firms line their pockets.

I don't think the government should come between patient and doctor, but i do think something needs to be done to put pharmaceutical companies in check. they r the devil.

I laugh when ppl say lazy ass ppl need universal health care. There are so many ppl that just have inadequate insurance, where they still can not afford health care. Than there are the Americans that work hard for ever dollar they get and don't have health care because of the cost.

A Month ago 60 minute did a show entirely on a charity that use to go around the world to provide free Health screening, medical operations and Dental work to the uninsured/ppl with inadequate insurance. And the thing that caught my eye is that the organization has stepped up its present in U.S.. All the ppl that was getting help was mainly working middle class white ppl and I wish more Americans (especially the supposedly Christian base right) would be more willing to spend money saving/helping American lives than spending money on this war and other bad investments this country makes

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Originally Posted by Reaper

here's what my cousin has to say about all this...

I am currenlty stationed in Iraq and got a chance to read this forum through a link I got from my cousin. First things first, you talk about all that building being done and the Iraqi Army and the Iraq Police being trained and puttin out recruits..who do you think builds the buildings? trains the police and the army? who teaches them to fly these jets and helicopters..I'll tell you who..The American service memebers. Another point is about all the "pointless deaths" that's bull**** because if any American dies in a foreign conflict then it's not pointless at all..and I dont have the exact statictics but I'd say atleast 70% of the losses we've had in this war are from men and women who enlisted after 9/11 and knew full well that they we're gonna deploy and ran the risk of being killed. I know I thought that when I signed the papers but it's something you get used too and you learn to live with being here. It's been 7 months since i've seen my friends or family and my girl..but I do it because I love my country and want to see it stay safe! I understand many peoples anger about the war..I just ask you don't take you're hate to the Service memebers..ESP those who've served or are currently serving in Iraq because believe me friend they've been through Hell and back and the last thing they need is Ridicule.. I thank you for hearing me out if you took the time to read this..and James stay strong and I'll be seein ya and the rest of the family in June....Sincerly, Spc Brian M. Bennett

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i know im jumpin in kinda late, but this comin from me, a mozlem haha

no one hates the service members and no one thinks they are stupid or aren't doing what they need to be doin out there, quite the opposite, i think this is the most support american troops have received since ww2

look at afghanistan, no one even talks about the troops over there anymore

I have to agree that 4,200 is "good" for a "war". Considering we are no longer fighting an "army" we are not really at "war". We are occupying Iraq. We have gone to war with Iraq before, but there was a REASON we did not occupy it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I as **** Cheny explains. The "war" ended when Saddam's army was defeated and Baghdad was taken. Most of the deaths occured after the "war". And 4,200 is a small number considering how long we have been there, just compare it with recent military engagements likes Vietnam or Korea.

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Originally Posted by mad3nch1na

I have to agree that 4,200 is "good" for a "war". Considering we are no longer fighting an "army" we are not really at "war". We are occupying Iraq. We have gone to war with Iraq before, but there was a REASON we did not occupy it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I as **** Cheny explains. The "war" ended when Saddam's army was defeated and Baghdad was taken. Most of the deaths occured after the "war". And 4,200 is a small number considering how long we have been there, just compare it with recent military engagements likes Vietnam or Korea.

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I agree with you but the problem is that people see any loss of life as a bad thing which it is but in addition to that I believe that the country has gone soft and takes too much of what the media puts out to heart. I think that maybe if people had definitive answers to their questions people would be less against the war there but who knows.

Yep, in todays America, it baffles me how people like Al Gonzoles with his "I do not recall" and Mukaseyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt8v_GAgOK4 "gets away" with it all.

So many hippys on IA....But im a military servicemember, I may be biased.

you can post all the pictures of deaths you want, but in the end it comes down to the fact that invading iraq on our own terms is FAR better than waiting for Sadaam to strike first. I wish we would start in on Iran soon as get them out of the way too. Iran is one of the biggest reasons this occupation is taking the path it is.

Dont call it a war, its not, that part has been over with since the fall of organized resistance. It is an occupation and the US military was not trained or equipped to fight that type of war. Its getting better, but if you ask the media, we are losing, and thats far from the case.

Oh and that lady that said its worse than the media says is just a whiney little whore. I knew alot of Marines from 2/5 who were in Ramadi, Masul, baghdad and falluja and according to them the media made it sound far worse than it was.

1 example, the "daily shelling" usually consisted of a single mortor or RPG that hit short or long of the base. 1 in 10 actually hit anything more important than an empty piece of desert.

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Originally Posted by BanginJimmy

you can post all the pictures of deaths you want, but in the end it comes down to the fact that invading iraq on our own terms is FAR better than waiting for Sadaam to strike first. I wish we would start in on Iran soon as get them out of the way too. Iran is one of the biggest reasons this occupation is taking the path it is.

Dont call it a war, its not, that part has been over with since the fall of organized resistance. It is an occupation and the US military was not trained or equipped to fight that type of war. Its getting better, but if you ask the media, we are losing, and thats far from the case.

Oh and that lady that said its worse than the media says is just a whiney little whore. I knew alot of Marines from 2/5 who were in Ramadi, Masul, baghdad and falluja and according to them the media made it sound far worse than it was.

1 example, the "daily shelling" usually consisted of a single mortor or RPG that hit short or long of the base. 1 in 10 actually hit anything more important than an empty piece of desert.

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When was Sadam going to strike us? Was it when he began to switch oil reserves to Euro's? He didnt have to attack us.. we depend on THEM for their resources that we pay $3.20 a gallon for now, fiscally Iraq could have run us into the ground and that was the plan until the invasion.. Was it 9/11? No.. those were Saudi's, not Iraqi's.. damn, I'm sorry I don't see the imminent threat that justifies 4000 lives.

As far as the "whore" goes, honestly I cannot give you what she told me verbatim but the gist of it was that where they were eating was hit by a mortar round and one of the female soldiers with her died.. I think she deserves a bit more than to be labeled a whore. Just goes to show that again, some people don't seem to grasp the situation as it is.

Casualties of war I have no problems with, but war is to be a last resort and to anyone who thinks logically, if there is not a direct threat then obviously there are other alternatives.

I know that I am not going to change anyones mind here but the proof is around us every single day. Our government invests a lot more into the infrastructure of Iraq than it does here. Why is it so important to build up Iraq when residents of New Orleans are being placed in trailers with formaldehyde? Think just for a second, $400 Billion into a mission that has no clear objective.. it's not okay to use taxpayer money to provide healthcare here but perfectly fine to spend BILLIONS on another country. Those muslims are sooo evil but you're so anxious to rebuild the entire country for them. Interesting.

Iran, the same Iran that aided the U.S in Afghanistan going after Bin Laden. (Neither Iraq or Iran has ANY relationship to Al Qaeda) Or the same Iran that offered 20 Million Barrels of crude oil for Katrina? hmm.. it can't possibly be the Iran that just aided the Iraqi government in recent attacks. But yet diplomacy doesn't work.. it sure seems like they want to sit down and talk things out, then again I'm just a hippie with an opinion.

There are peaceful ways to resolve conflict without bloodshed. Again, war is to be a last resort, the U.S is losing its status as a Superpower due to our foreign policy.

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Originally Posted by mad3nch1na

I have to agree that 4,200 is "good" for a "war". Considering we are no longer fighting an "army" we are not really at "war". We are occupying Iraq. We have gone to war with Iraq before, but there was a REASON we did not occupy it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I as **** Cheny explains. The "war" ended when Saddam's army was defeated and Baghdad was taken. Most of the deaths occured after the "war". And 4,200 is a small number considering how long we have been there, just compare it with recent military engagements likes Vietnam or Korea.

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wow, I'm amazed that you quoted **** Cheney like he has nothing to gain from this occupancy.

Vietnam and Korea had clear objectives, one of which failed and we ended up pulling out anyway (like we will in Iraq, sorry to dissapoint those who feel like their time served makes them experts on foreign policy) Our occupation in Iraq doesn't have an objective.. when things are good people say "It's working we need to stay!" when things are bad its "They need us, we need to stay!" Kind of redundant really..

4200 is a lot when you consider diplomacy would put that number at ZERO.
All George W. had to do was take a page from his father's book.. it's called multilateralism and it cost the U.S about 6 months and 300 soldiers in Desert Storm.

I am not going to hold this as the ultimate truth, and I am in no way basing any of my worldly conclusion on this movie. But it does have a few eye openers, with sources and references to back it up.

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/


What I found most interesting were the two SAS troops captured by Iraqi police, dressed at Iraqis shooting at Iraqi civilians.

I believe the same thing I believed right after 9/11, there is going to be a war in Iraq, (YES I said this word for word just weeks after 9/11) its going to be regarded as the another Vietnam, and its sole purposes is to be a sustained war with minimal Coalition Causalities.

Iraq was conquered in 2002. The rest is purely elitist/Illuminati economic profit turning.

This is world we live in. This is what we as an intelligent and sentient race have accomplished.

that zeitgeist movie does have alot of valid and truth in it. its kind of hard to believe it. But it makes u think alot.

TONY... pm me man we have to do lunch... my treat... beer or something.. you and red gt... i agree with everything you said... and 4200 should be 0... its sad when you have come in contact with 200 out of the 4200 dead... sucks...

Listen to this... one of my sergeants buddies is on his way back to al asad or however you spell it... from a convoy... his last before he hops the plane to kuwait and gets ready from post deployment... walking to chow at 0600 and hears a noise..... BOOM.... a random rocket hits him directly in the chest and explodes on impact... he had 1 more day in theater... it hurts man... really does to know my people out there getting killed, captured, beheaded, wounded, de-limbed, for stupid reasons... no matter what branch we are still brothers in arms

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to tony again.

good god, someone gets it.

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Originally Posted by 95alty

TONY... pm me man we have to do lunch... my treat... beer or something.. you and red gt... i agree with everything you said... and 4200 should be 0... its sad when you have come in contact with 200 out of the 4200 dead... sucks...

Listen to this... one of my sergeants buddies is on his way back to al asad or however you spell it... from a convoy... his last before he hops the plane to kuwait and gets ready from post deployment... walking to chow at 0600 and hears a noise..... BOOM.... a random rocket hits him directly in the chest and explodes on impact... he had 1 more day in theater... it hurts man... really does to know my people out there getting killed, captured, beheaded, wounded, de-limbed, for stupid reasons... no matter what branch we are still brothers in arms

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Dialog definitely educates.. in comparison to my siblings my knowledge of everything that goes on is nothing. I basically learn through arguing with them and then doing research. But the thing is you have to come to the table with an open mind rather than be stubborn on your position.

And I'm definitely down to meet up some time, I'm on the southside (as is RedGT) so let me know.

ok cool... im in the west end... and definately some time soon we can sit down and discuss

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Originally Posted by 95alty

TONY... pm me man we have to do lunch... my treat... beer or something.. you and red gt... i agree with everything you said... and 4200 should be 0... its sad when you have come in contact with 200 out of the 4200 dead... sucks...

Listen to this... one of my sergeants buddies is on his way back to al asad or however you spell it... from a convoy... his last before he hops the plane to kuwait and gets ready from post deployment... walking to chow at 0600 and hears a noise..... BOOM.... a random rocket hits him directly in the chest and explodes on impact... he had 1 more day in theater... it hurts man... really does to know my people out there getting killed, captured, beheaded, wounded, de-limbed, for stupid reasons... no matter what branch we are still brothers in arms

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Stupid reasons indeed.

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Originally Posted by BanginJimmy

you can post all the pictures of deaths you want, but in the end it comes down to the fact that invading iraq on our own terms is FAR better than waiting for Sadaam to strike first. I wish we would start in on Iran soon as get them out of the way too. Iran is one of the biggest reasons this occupation is taking the path it is.

Dont call it a war, its not, that part has been over with since the fall of organized resistance. It is an occupation and the US military was not trained or equipped to fight that type of war. Its getting better, but if you ask the media, we are losing, and thats far from the case.

Oh and that lady that said its worse than the media says is just a whiney little whore. I knew alot of Marines from 2/5 who were in Ramadi, Masul, baghdad and falluja and according to them the media made it sound far worse than it was.

1 example, the "daily shelling" usually consisted of a single mortor or RPG that hit short or long of the base. 1 in 10 actually hit anything more important than an empty piece of desert.

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How the fck can you call someone who went over there and served to defend your ass (regardless of the reasons) a 'whiney whore'? *******.

you knew a lot of marines huh? i hope they whoop your little ***** ass for making a comment like that. learn some respect. dipshyt.

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Originally Posted by Sledlude

How the fck can you call someone who went over there and served to defend your ass (regardless of the reasons) a 'whiney whore'? *******.

you knew a lot of marines huh? i hope they whoop your little ***** ass for making a comment like that. learn some respect. dipshyt.

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HOLD ON SLEDLUDE... before you bash jimmy... this DEVILDOG is a vet... HE IS A MARINE... so learn your facts... AND HAS BEEN OVER TO THEATER... so make sure when you post comments like ^ you make sure u remember there are people who have seen action... not just news feeds

i concede. i still think thats a fvcked up thing to say tho!

all the ppl i know that went over there are either dead or came back batshyt crazy. the love of my life is in the military. it really makes me mad when ppl say things like that. if you served, then why would you say that about some one else who did? wrong imo.

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Originally Posted by 95alty

HOLD ON SLEDLUDE... before you bash jimmy... this DEVILDOG is a vet... HE IS A MARINE... so learn your facts... AND HAS BEEN OVER TO THEATER... so make sure when you post comments like ^ you make sure u remember there are people who have seen action... not just news feeds

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just beat me to it, typed a whole post good thing i hit preview before.

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Originally Posted by Sledlude

i concede. i still think thats a fvcked up thing to say tho!

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its cool though... but some people have earned the right to say things like that... as fuked up as it may be... he earned it

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Originally Posted by 95alty

HOLD ON SLEDLUDE... before you bash jimmy... this DEVILDOG is a vet... HE IS A MARINE... so learn your facts... AND HAS BEEN OVER TO THEATER... so make sure when you post comments like ^ you make sure u remember there are people who have seen action... not just news feeds

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What makes his opinion any less than Jimmy's? What cause he didn't serve? So if I join the army I have the right to call someone who put their life on the line a whore? C'mon now, active duty doesn't give you the golden key to say whatever the hell you want. its honorable to serve but everyone plays a role.. even civilians, respect needs to be given on both ends.

I also forgot, the current administration thinks so highly of the sacrifice given that they would like to take veteran benefits away, the same administration that a lot of you are defending.

that is true... but there are males and females over there who whine... and we treat them as such. Civilians do there thing over there also... but someone made it that way so they could get in the area to do what they have to do. I look out for my devil dogs... jimmy is one... if you join the army then your entitled to no opinion on anyone (military inside joke)

But all i know is when i get out... vet benenfits better be there... or im going in the whitehouse with the same mind set we went into iraq with... only thinking "wheres my money bishes"

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Originally Posted by 95alty

that is true... but there are males and females over there who whine... and we treat them as such. Civilians do there thing over there also... but someone made it that way so they could get in the area to do what they have to do. I look out for my devil dogs... jimmy is one... if you join the army then your entitled to no opinion on anyone (military inside joke)

But all i know is when i get out... vet benenfits better be there... or im going in the whitehouse with the same mind set we went into iraq with... only thinking "wheres my money bishes"

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sounding like a private contractor already, should get into some of that when your done,lol, thats where the money is

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Originally Posted by soul

sounding like a private contractor already, should get into some of that when your done,lol, thats where the money is

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WHAT!! who you telling... i already see it now... getting paid 6 figures to kill people...

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Originally Posted by 95alty

WHAT!! who you telling... i already see it now... getting paid 6 figures to kill people...

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my bro does it, but he doesnt get paid to kill people come on, its to "protect" his assisgnment, lol

CYA... cover your own ass

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Originally Posted by 95alty

CYA... cover your own ass

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only prob, he had was, getting shot at more by U.S. troops then militants in iraq n what not lol

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/...bush_sheep.jpg

And LMAO@ you people still calling whats going on over there a "War".. the "War" has been over for quite sometime.

And to RX8Dragon, i could come back with 98375698756 nasty replies to you. But i'm not...because im not stooping to your level and staring name calling. I see you think i was being negative toward the military....you're wrong.

Also, some of you should go check out how much the National Debt was when Clinton was in office vs. Bush.