I changed my mind.................

[VooDooXII]

I think the Camaro looks much better...

By the way, the Challenger is HUGE! I don't know if it's just because it's a show car...you think they'll shrink it down before production? Seriously, it's the size of a 300. Makes sense, since they run on the same platform...but that's way too big for such a car. Also, the Challenger looks sort of bloated...not very well proportioned.

I think the Camaro looks a lot more aggressive. Problem is...I think, as a show car...it's proportioned perfectly. For the production model though, I know they're going to have to change a few things up to meet some standards. The roof might be too low, for example...but that makes the car look so sleek. I think the only thing they need to do is fix that grille...it looks like the car has braces.

[The Yousef]

fuk that!



I WILL KILL EVERYONE ON HERE REPEATEDLY FOR THIS:

[BKgen®]

CHALLENGER FTMFW

[VooDooXII]

I do like the telemetry gauge on the Challenger. I hope that makes it to production...

[BKgen®]

and throw some cuda emblems on that bitch

[VooDooXII]

and throw some cuda emblems on that bitch

I like the way the 'Cuda looked better than the Challenger.

Plymouth is long gone though...

[BKgen®]

Plymouth is long gone though...

i know.

that's the whole point

[Sack Attack]

Anyone who thinks GM's quality sucks has by far lost it. All american and most foreign all have their "base" model cars that no one has taken the time to work the bugs out and they are slapped together and sold but I'm sure GM's top people are on top of things on these new camaros. I've had over 100 vehicles and I'm only 23 so everything has been 1990+ models and as much as I love imported cars I have NEVER seen anything that last as long as a chevy truck. I have NEVER torn a chevy up and I aint did a fuckin thing but ride out. Chevy the shit

[On_Her_Face]

I want a 5th gen Camaro. Why, you ask? Because I might actually be able to afford it and that shit looks HOT! Go ahead and argue with me. I will e-slap your ass!!!! Or get QD to do it.

i wouldn't mind having one either but im not sure

if i got one it would be like stepping down with the vette

[VooDooXII]

i wouldn't mind having one either but im not sure

if i got one it would be like stepping down with the vette

Not necessarily...you'd still be an LS2 kid...

Hell, I'd take a 5th gen Camaro over a Corvette.

[xLSTONEx]

Anyone who thinks GM's quality sucks has by far lost it. All american and most foreign all have their "base" model cars that no one has taken the time to work the bugs out and they are slapped together and sold but I'm sure GM's top people are on top of things on these new camaros. I've had over 100 vehicles and I'm only 23 so everything has been 1990+ models and as much as I love imported cars I have NEVER seen anything that last as long as a chevy truck. I have NEVER torn a chevy up and I aint did a fuckin thing but ride out. Chevy the shit

WRONG, take it from someone who knows how the car building business works. You are completely off. Let me give you an example so you won't go saying stupid shit anymore to embarrass yourself.

In Huntsville, AL there is a huge factory plant owned by SIEMEN TECHNOLOGIES, not by Chrysler/Diamler. This factory makes engines, transmissions, radios, gauges, and a shit ton of other parts for every single Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep vehicle. So this is how it works, Siemen has a contract with C/D and they sell there shit they make for them at a set cost, so the whole idea for Siemens is to lower the price of manufacturing, labor, and parts for these parts. Basically Siemens works like a "wal-mart" in this manner sense they have the buying power here on a huge market. Siemens sends out a bid for the cheapest part of whatever they need. So for example my dad use to sell, and still does, the tiny radio lights that go in every Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep vehicle, he use to sell them at .55 lamp. Then Siemens bid out the lamps to any company, and what came from that was a bunch of shitty cheap ass companies coming with there horrible shitty lights. So my dad had to lower the price of his lamps to .21 a lamp and had to get his manufacture to start making the quality of lamps worse to save money on there end as well. Then from there Siemen gives D/L the finished product (a whole radio) with the cheapest and worst quality bidded out parts. Now this is done in about EVERY SINGLE PART THAT IS IN YOUR AMERICAN MADE CAR. This is why pretty much all American made cars are pure junk, but GM is the worse about this and has a horrible reputation of having the worse quality of any manufacture, and yes I have seen this first hand, even in a corvette C5 hardtop, the fucking seatbelt holder broke 11 times in 3 months, the guy hated the shitty quality so bad he traded it in with 3 1/2 years left on his lease cause it was such a piece of shit. This is also one of the main reasons all American car companies are going dead broke.

You're welcome for your class lesson today, now no more saying stupid shit.

[Psycho]

i want a supra in 4 years

I want to steal your supra in 4 years

[1000cckiller]

GAWD noob cake.

It is common knowledge that I want a C6 ZO6!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well Tracy, I put my deposit on a camaro already, damn I finally beat you to something. Also if you do want that Zo6 I can get you a good deal on one with about 4k miles on it. He only wants 55k for it.

[Sack Attack]

I'll take a chevy any day. I happen to have a 95 silverado with 228k miles and there is not a fuckin tear in the seat, wear on the steering wheel, even the fuckin gas and brake pedal rubber covers are still there and in great shape. It's black and attracts heat and there isnt a crack in the dash. I dont give a fuck if it all cracks out tomorrow and everything breaks. I still know my drivetrain is reliable and if something does break parts are everywhere and cheap. Chevy, once again, is the shit

[Tracy]

Well Tracy, I put my deposit on a camaro already, damn I finally beat you to something. Also if you do want that Zo6 I can get you a good deal on one with about 4k miles on it. He only wants 55k for it.

C6?

[1000cckiller]

C6?

yes

[green91]

I'll take a chevy any day. I happen to have a 95 silverado with 228k miles and there is not a fuckin tear in the seat, wear on the steering wheel, even the fuckin gas and brake pedal rubber covers are still there and in great shape. It's black and attracts heat and there isnt a crack in the dash. I dont give a fuck if it all cracks out tomorrow and everything breaks. I still know my drivetrain is reliable and if something does break parts are everywhere and cheap. Chevy, once again, is the shit

aside from changes in the EFI system chevy has changed much in 20+ years, its about time they finally got it right

[SL65AMG]

they are so sick. SOOOOO much better looking than the mustang. whats the sticker price?? and i thought it was the 08 camaro and the 09 challenger- which is also bad ass


edit i was wrong.... its backwards

[1000cckiller]

they are so sick. SOOOOO much better looking than the mustang. whats the sticker price?? and i thought it was the 08 camaro and the 09 challenger- which is also bad ass


edit i was wrong.... its backwards

35k to 45k

[Kalifornia087]

Only if you bring it out to a drift fury trick!

[quickdodge®]

i almost bought a camaro..

1988 doesn't count. Later, QD.

[redrumracer]

i used to own a camaro, and it was an 83

[The Yousef]

WRONG, take it from someone who knows how the car building business works. You are completely off. Let me give you an example so you won't go saying stupid shit anymore to embarrass yourself.

In Huntsville, AL there is a huge factory plant owned by SIEMEN TECHNOLOGIES, not by Chrysler/Diamler. This factory makes engines, transmissions, radios, gauges, and a shit ton of other parts for every single Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep vehicle. So this is how it works, Siemen has a contract with C/D and they sell there shit they make for them at a set cost, so the whole idea for Siemens is to lower the price of manufacturing, labor, and parts for these parts. Basically Siemens works like a "wal-mart" in this manner sense they have the buying power here on a huge market. Siemens sends out a bid for the cheapest part of whatever they need. So for example my dad use to sell, and still does, the tiny radio lights that go in every Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep vehicle, he use to sell them at .55 lamp. Then Siemens bid out the lamps to any company, and what came from that was a bunch of shitty cheap ass companies coming with there horrible shitty lights. So my dad had to lower the price of his lamps to .21 a lamp and had to get his manufacture to start making the quality of lamps worse to save money on there end as well. Then from there Siemen gives D/L the finished product (a whole radio) with the cheapest and worst quality bidded out parts. Now this is done in about EVERY SINGLE PART THAT IS IN YOUR AMERICAN MADE CAR. This is why pretty much all American made cars are pure junk, but GM is the worse about this and has a horrible reputation of having the worse quality of any manufacture, and yes I have seen this first hand, even in a corvette C5 hardtop, the fucking seatbelt holder broke 11 times in 3 months, the guy hated the shitty quality so bad he traded it in with 3 1/2 years left on his lease cause it was such a piece of shit. This is also one of the main reasons all American car companies are going dead broke.

You're welcome for your class lesson today, now no more saying stupid shit.

...well said my pale friend

i like to use the Space Shuttle as in example of American cheapness...it is the most complicated machine that man has ever made....















and it was made by the lowest bidder.

+1 for capitalism...

[GSRteg®]

Camaro is alright.

[On_Her_Face]

to whoever said that their gm's outlast imports, please tell me where you buy them, i love chevy but my last ls2 lasted 8.5k miles lol

[BKgen®]

WRONG, take it from someone who knows how the car building business works. You are completely off. Let me give you an example so you won't go saying stupid shit anymore to embarrass yourself.

In Huntsville, AL there is a huge factory plant owned by SIEMEN TECHNOLOGIES, not by Chrysler/Diamler. This factory makes engines, transmissions, radios, gauges, and a shit ton of other parts for every single Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep vehicle. So this is how it works, Siemen has a contract with C/D and they sell there shit they make for them at a set cost, so the whole idea for Siemens is to lower the price of manufacturing, labor, and parts for these parts. Basically Siemens works like a "wal-mart" in this manner sense they have the buying power here on a huge market. Siemens sends out a bid for the cheapest part of whatever they need. So for example my dad use to sell, and still does, the tiny radio lights that go in every Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep vehicle, he use to sell them at .55 lamp. Then Siemens bid out the lamps to any company, and what came from that was a bunch of shitty cheap ass companies coming with there horrible shitty lights. So my dad had to lower the price of his lamps to .21 a lamp and had to get his manufacture to start making the quality of lamps worse to save money on there end as well. Then from there Siemen gives D/L the finished product (a whole radio) with the cheapest and worst quality bidded out parts. Now this is done in about EVERY SINGLE PART THAT IS IN YOUR AMERICAN MADE CAR. This is why pretty much all American made cars are pure junk, but GM is the worse about this and has a horrible reputation of having the worse quality of any manufacture, and yes I have seen this first hand, even in a corvette C5 hardtop, the fucking seatbelt holder broke 11 times in 3 months, the guy hated the shitty quality so bad he traded it in with 3 1/2 years left on his lease cause it was such a piece of shit. This is also one of the main reasons all American car companies are going dead broke.

You're welcome for your class lesson today, now no more saying stupid shit.

cliff notes: outsourcing.

[BuBBa DRiFT]

my parents Tahoe had a bad head gasket after 4,000 miles, the interior electronics are crap, the radio has gone out, and the transmission has gone out. the truck has less than 70k miles on it.

[The Yousef]

i love chevy but my last ls2 lasted 8.5k miles lol

...thats impressive

[OneSlow5pt0]

Firebird

but ill take the camaro over the challenger

[The Yousef]

Firebird

....indeed



i love the way they look!



















...but interior looks/feels like legos made out of p00

[OneSlow5pt0]

....indeed



i love the way they look!



















...but interior looks/feels like legos made out of p00

thats cause ever chevy/pontiac interior is straight out of a 92 grand prix

[Sack Attack]

I dont know where everyone is buying their shit at but I buy/sell cars aside from my regular job and have had multiple chevys with very high miles (250k+) and they all still run terrific. I used to hate them. I was totally a honda & nissan man (because thats what sells) but 200k on an import car with an aluminum head isnt impressing me as much as 200K on a cast iron head american made car. Overheat the aluminum and see you at the machine shop.
Overheat the cast iron and chances are you will be ok.

[Vteckidd]

done, ill put the PO through for one on Tuesday

[Hundo®]

shut up you ol snaggle tooth scribble tattoo havin ass muh fucka.. LOL jk, that new camaro is the shit, id definiately take one.

[babygurl]

you can only get the camero if I can make out with you

if not sorry you SOL!

I have spoken!

[Psycho]

The only american car I would buy is the Corvette.

[VooDooXII]

....indeed

i love the way they look!

...but interior looks/feels like legos made out of p00

That was seriously reason enough for me not to go after one...and I love V8s.

Well...that and insurance anyway.

[1000cckiller]

The only american car I would buy is the Corvette.

Its not the highest of standards anymore, but it is a good car. I have had two friends with z06 the tops flew off at 100 miles per hour.

[Tracy]

That Firebird is the ugliest thing I have seen in a while! GROSE!

[Sammich]

when i finally get a corvette u want a camaro..u change ur decision like i change draws..make up ur mind