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    RICHMOND, Va. -- The hearings began eight minutes early and finished in less than 25 minutes -- Michael Vick's first taste of the famed "rocket docket" in Richmond, Va. -- and they brought Vick some bad news.


    With a team of five lawyers at his side, Vick learned that more charges probably will be added to the array of gruesome federal dogfighting allegations already filed against him. Too, he was told that his two-week jury trial will begin at 9:30 on the morning of Nov. 26.

    "That's 9:30 sharp," U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson said, making it clear there will be no unnecessary postponements.

    The worse of those two news items for Vick came from Asst. U.S. Attorney Michael Gill, who told Hudson that the federal government will be filing a "superceding indictment" by the end of next month. Although legal experts can disagree on what might come in the new indictment, the federal prosecutors in Richmond typically add charges in superceding indictments. It is unlikely they will eliminate charges.

    The message from the government prosecutors to Vick and his three co-defendants (Purnell Peace, Quanis Phillips, and Tony Taylor) was not subtle. Here's the message: We've already charged you with serious crimes. You might want to consider a guilty plea. We are going to file more charges next month. That gives you a few weeks to think about the guilty plea. If you come and talk to us about pleading guilty and testifying for us, there will be no more charges against you. If you do not, the charges and the potential punishment will grow quickly.


    Vick trial: Nov. 26
    Michael Vick was jeered as he came into court, where he pleaded not guilty Thursday. He later said in a statement: "I take these charges very seriously and look forward to clearing my good name." Story
    Although Vick is unlikely to respond to the pressure in that message, it is possible that one or two of the others could seek a lesser jail sentence, or no jail at all, in return for testifying against Vick.

    Each of the other three defendants -- all of whom, like Vick, also pleaded not guilty and were released on bond and given the same trial date as Vick on Thursday -- has retained private counsel separate from Vick's legal team. None of them will use a public defender.

    The government's revelation of the possibility of additional charges came in the second of two rapid-fire, staccato hearings conducted at the tempo of a top-of-the line marching band. U.S. Magistrate Judge Demmos Dohnal ran through the federal bail litany in what must have been record time, ordering Vick to give up his licenses for a dog kennel and for the breeding of dogs. Dohnal then released him. Less than five seconds after Dohnal had finished, Hudson walked in and continued the breakneck pace.

    If anyone had any doubt that Vick's celebrity might change the court's usual pace, Hudson cleared it up quickly. Lawrence Woodward, one of Vick's lawyers, argued that a speedy trial is not possible under the Richmond rules. There is no way, Woodward said, to be ready for trial on Oct. 4, which is what the rules require. He described the complexity of the charges, the need for forensic analysis of some of the dead dogs, and the multi-state nature of the charges.

    Hudson listened and ruled instantly, as he did on every other issue during the hearing.

    "Yes," Hudson said, "I will treat this case as complex litigation."

    And then he set it for trial on Nov. 26, about eight weeks later than the date required by normal docket rules. Woodward and the rest of Vick's legal team likely were hoping for an eight-month delay rather than an eight-week delay. It was apparent that Hudson is serious about the November date.

    Vick and the Atlanta Falcons now know what the quarterback will be doing this fall.

    Hudson laid out a schedule for the pre-trial skirmishing that is always a part of a major federal conspiracy prosecution. Vick's lawyers might have an advantage in the speedy pre-trial procedures in that they come equipped with money and staff, so it is likely they'll be able to outwork federal prosecutors who must tend to other cases and won't be able to focus solely on Vick.

    In another sign of the quick-step culture of the Richmond courthouse, Hudson told the lawyers he will select a jury in "a half a day." With enormous media coverage expected, coupled with the severity of the charges described in the indictment, two veteran Richmond defense lawyers -- both of whom have histories with Hudson -- thought it would take as much as a week to find 12 jurors who haven't already made up their minds on Vick.

    "If Judge Hudson says a half a day, then it will be a half a day," one of them observed after the hearings.
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    rut roe........

    damn, trial doesn't start to Nov. can't wait to see if the NFL let him play or not......

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    didnt ray lewis play while he was on trial????

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    I more posted this for the part I put in bold and the new charges that will be coming, and if the other 2 plea out to testify, Vick is done!! haha
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    What about today's proceedings particularly intrigued you?

    The feds announced that they will be filing a superceding indictment in August. Since there was only one count in the original indictment, I would expect that there will be multiple counts added that could elaborate on the dogfighting and gambling aspects of the crime and, to make matters worse, there could be racketeering charges filed against Vick based on the gambling aspects of dogfighting.

    The maximum sentence for racketeering is 20 years in prison, although if convicted it's unlikely Vick would serve anywhere near that amount.




    Why might the government hold back some charges and threaten to bring them later in a superceding indictment?

    It's possible that they're hoping the threat of enhanced charges will increase their leverage on Vick to get him to come in and plea bargain to some or all of what he has already been charged with.

    Does it surprise you that Vick was released without bond?

    No. The only two issues that the judge is supposed to consider when deciding on whether there should be bond are one, is he a threat to the community? I think it's obvious that he isn't. And two, is he a "flight risk" — in other words, is there a possibility that if they let him go he will not show up for trial? Since Michael Vick has a face that everyone recognizes, there really is no possibility that he could become a fugitive, and if he did, he would destroy any remaining possibility he has of resuming his lucrative football career. So I think the judge showed common sense in determining that he was not a flight risk and that he should be released without bond.

    One of the restrictions the judge did place on Vick was that he is not allowed to travel outside of his federal district. What implications, if any, does this have on his ability to resume his NFL career this season?

    The judge's travel restriction places 49 states off limits to Michael Vick. This means that even in the unlikely event that NFL commissioner Goodell's investigation ends with a reinstatement of Vick to his team, he simply could not function as the quarterback of the Atlanta Falcons.

    However, in that event I would expect his attorneys to go back in front of the judge and argue that he should be allowed to leave his state of residence solely for the purpose of playing in NFL games and earning his livelihood. And the same reasons why he was not given a bond — namely, that he is almost certain to show up in court — should be the reasons he is allowed to travel to NFL games

    What did you think of Vick's statement today in which he professed his innocence?


    Full text of Vick's statement


    "Today in court I pleaded innocent to the allegations made against me. I take these charges very seriously and look forward to clearing my good name. I respectfully ask all of you to hold your judgment until all of the facts are shown. Above all I would like to say to my mom I'm sorry for what she has had to go through in this most trying of times. It has caused pain to my family and I apologize to my family. I also want to apologize to my Falcon teammates for not being with them at the beginning of spring training."


    If you haven't pled guilty, the only rational thing to do is profess your innocence. So what he said today doesn't change my opinion of the case at all. In fact, it would have been a bit more convincing if the words had come out of Michael Vick's mouth rather than his attorney Billy Martin's.

    So what comes next for Vick?

    The judge scheduled the trial for Nov. 26. That date can often be put off. However, Vick has the misfortune of being prosecuted in the federal court in Virginia, which is so notorious for moving cases along quickly that it is known as the "rocket docket." Therefore, I would expect Vick's attorneys to move quickly to obtain from the government the evidence relating to the case, to the extent they can.

    That's what I expect to see in public, but in private, I would bet there would be plea bargaining negotiations. And if Vick's defense team starts to see that the government's case against him really is as strong as the indictment makes it appear to be, then that will certainly increase the chances that there will be a plea bargain.

    Realistically what interest would the government have in accepting a plea bargain from Vick?

    When it comes to plea bargaining, Vick has a problem. Based on the indictment, he appears to have bankrolled the entire dogfighting operation, which began after he became a wealthy professional athlete.

    It may well be accurate to say he was the leader of the operation. Thus, it's not as if he can offer up to the government a criminal who's further up the chain than he is.

    This is unlike the situation facing NBA ref Tim Donaghy, who may well be able to offer up mob-connected bookies whom the government may be more interested in convicting.

    Nevertheless, the two reasons why Vick may still be able to make a deal are: First, there would be a value to both sides if Vick is the first defendant to try and do a deal — the government would be more likely to accept such a deal than if he were the last defendant to seek a deal. Second, the government knows that if it has to actually try Vick, it will be going up against a high-powered defense team, including prominent D.C. attorney Billy Martin, whereas, if they do a deal with Vick and take the other three defendants to trial, they will not be facing anywhere near as well-financed a legal defense.

    How would a plea bargain actually work? What could Vick plea down to in this case?

    If he were convicted of everything in the indictment, he could get a maximum of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine (plus restitution), as opposed to the six years and $350,000 that has been widely reported. The reason he can't get more than the five years and $250,000 is because he's been charged with only one count that contains one conspiracy. I have personally confirmed the five-year, $250,000 maximum with the U.S. Attorney's office in Richmond, which is prosecuting the case.

    That one conspiracy, according to the indictment, was to violate two different federal statutes. The two statutes he has been charged with conspiring to violate are 1) participating in dogfighting across state lines and 2) traveling across state lines for the purpose of gambling (this is known as violating the "Travel Act"). Oddly enough, he is not charged with actually violating the dogfighting statute or the Travel Act — he is only charged with a conspiracy to violate those two statutes.

    If Vick is convicted of conspiring to violate the "Travel Act," then regardless of whether the government proves he also conspired to participate in dogfighting across state lines, the maximum penalty is the five years and $250,000, and under the federal sentencing guidelines, Vick, who has no previous convictions, would probably receive a sentence of between 10 and 16 months.

    But if he is only convicted of conspiring to participate in dogfighting across state lines, the maximum he could get is one year in prison and a $100,000 fine. Under the guidelines, he might not get any prison time.

    However, the government raised the ante today by saying it would bring a superceding indictment in August. I would expect that indictment would include the actual violation of the dogfighting statute and the "Travel Act" that were not included in the original indictment. There is also the possibility that the government could charge him with racketeering, which would put even more pressure on his defense team to come to the table and do a deal.




    So if I'm his attorney, what I want to do is move quickly to get the government to agree to let Vick plead guilty only to conspiring to participate in dogfighting across state lines and not to conspiring to violate the "Travel Act," because the maximum he could get would be a year and the reality of it would be he might not go to prison at all. If they wait until August, such a deal may no longer be available.

    That would be a reasonable goal for a defense attorney here.

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    basically,



    The judge's travel restriction places 49 states off limits to Michael Vick. This means that even in the unlikely event that NFL commissioner Goodell's investigation ends with a reinstatement of Vick to his team, he simply could not function as the quarterback of the Atlanta Falcons.

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    maybe he could be the home waterboy.



    (thanks for cliffs by the way. i wasn't readin all that shit)


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    Still...


    That is all














    lol, j/k

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelly
    Still...


    That is all














    lol, j/k
    Chante's got jungle fever. Haha

    I'd tap the new quarterback. He's looking mighty deelicious!!!

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    Lolz... Im jus playin

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    Youd get DA BUMP to if you hit dat, Homeboy has herpes remember
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett
    Youd get DA BUMP to if you hit dat, Homeboy has herpes remember
    No he doesn't...but his alias does

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett
    Youd get DA BUMP to if you hit dat, Homeboy has herpes remember
    na uh really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by itsjustdee
    na uh really?
    Yeah he was even sued a few years back by a lady for it, he settled for a undisclosed amount out of court to
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    Lol, that's what they tell me

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    wow!

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    funny that some of ya'll actually thinks he will be going to jail.


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    is this november 07?

    cause thats pretty fast,they must really have a good case

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    Quote Originally Posted by HypnoToad
    is this november 07?

    cause thats pretty fast,they must really have a good case
    Was going to be early October but his defense team asked for a later date (They were trying to push it back 8 months) but the Judge said October, thats as long as they get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett
    Was going to be early October but his defense team asked for a later date (They were trying to push it back 8 months) but the Judge said October, thats as long as they get.
    damn........vick is fucked

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