Tracy's affect on BG's business.

[Mike Lowrey]

BUT the general concensus seems to be negative from the posts I have seen about them.

Half of IA are 13 yo kids or retards.....If that is group you want to take a "general concensus" from.....

[iloveboost]

I, too, live 5 minutes from Batlground. I'll make the drive to go elsewhere. I'll leave it at that.

[iloveboost]

Half of IA are 13 yo kids or retards.....If that is group you want to take a "general concensus" from.....

The general consensus of people that pay to have work done at Batlground are not 13 year olds, so their opinions might actually be valid.

[SixSquared]

I'd go to BG if I had a car worth doing work on... lol I'm not about to do any performance crap on a 97 s10. But, imho, Tracy is cool as hell, and I lovers her to death. I would have no problem letting BG have their way with a car of mine. And yes, I would go out of my way to go up there.

[Kyle]

Also does tracy still work there or not?

Here is what I have gathered. (Note I don't know tracy I just read threads and hear what people say.)


She works at Batlground. Batlground builds her a 10 second evo. She drifts with BG. They sell the Evo, she quits. They get a show on FSN, now is she working there agian? If so that seems a little to me.

[quickdodge®]

She does NOT work there. Later, QD.

[Ed]

Also does tracy still work there or not?

Here is what I have gathered. (Note I don't know tracy I just read threads and hear what people say.)


She works at Batlground. Batlground builds her a 10 second evo. She drifts with BG. They sell the Evo, she quits. They get a show on FSN, now is she working there agian? If so that seems a little to me.

something like that. i personally have met her once, a long time ago, so i dont know her as well...

a lot of people seem to have a beef with her, and not dan, and that sometimes can hurt the shop. ive heard of faulty jobs performed by them as well. but from what i have gathered, most people have problems with tracy.

[Vteckidd]

From what i understand:

Tracy and Dan date each other they have been together for YEARS.
Dan owns Batlground.
Tracy worked WITH (NOT FOR) Dan.
Tracy OWNS DRIFT FURY, Not Dan
Tracy XXXXXX Gets paid to drift by Maxis
Dan XXXXXX Gets paid to drift by Maxis
Maxis does not pay BATLGROUND to drift. they pay each driver seperately

Tracy decided to focus more on drifting an her events company (DRIFT FURY) and Dan run the shop.

She still has something to do with Batlground, but not in the same capacity she did before. if you call batlground, the voicemail says to email them for contact purposes.

They are soo busy travelling an drifting , they really cant focus on running the shop like they used to. so they take 1 car at a time, and choose their work rather than working on everything.

FSN wants to do a show on Batlground, so of course, all that hard work tracy has put in, your damn right shes going to be apart of it. Tracy also is the one doing all the deals, working the phones, getting sponsors from what i understand. shes probably the one that got the TV show in the first place.

Dan is like the guy behind the curtain in the wizard of Oz. He runs the shop, doesnt talk to many people, tunes cars, and doesnt do the phone work or marketing. Tracy handles all of that.

That is what i understand, i could be wrong

[quickdodge®]

but from what i have gathered, most people have problems with tracy.

And that's what sucks. Tracy just speaks her mind on whatever. And I guess that would fault the shop in getting business. They don't realize that's just her. Not the shop. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

i could be wrong

You're not. Later, QD.

[The Yousef]

From what i understand:

Tracy and Dan date each other they have been together for YEARS.
Dan owns Batlground.
Tracy worked WITH (NOT FOR) Dan.
Tracy OWNS DRIFT FURY, Not Dan
Tracy XXXXXX Gets paid to drift by Maxis
Dan XXXXXX Gets paid to drift by Maxis
Maxis does not pay BATLGROUND to drift. they pay each driver seperately

Tracy decided to focus more on drifting an her events company (DRIFT FURY) and Dan run the shop.

She still has something to do with Batlground, but not in the same capacity she did before. if you call batlground, the voicemail says to email them for contact purposes.

They are soo busy travelling an drifting , they really cant focus on running the shop like they used to. so they take 1 car at a time, and choose their work rather than working on everything.

FSN wants to do a show on Batlground, so of course, all that hard work tracy has put in, your damn right shes going to be apart of it. Tracy also is the one doing all the deals, working the phones, getting sponsors from what i understand. shes probably the one that got the TV show in the first place.

Dan is like the guy behind the curtain in the wizard of Oz. He runs the shop, doesnt talk to many people, tunes cars, and doesnt do the phone work or marketing. Tracy handles all of that.

That is what i understand, i could be wrong

sounds about right to me.....

[quickdodge®]

sounds about right to me.....

I think I already covered that Yousef. Later, QD.

[The Yousef]

I think I already covered that Yousef. Later, QD.

i'm just emphasizing the point then....

[Ed]

And that's what sucks. Tracy just speaks her mind on whatever. And I guess that would fault the shop in getting business. They don't realize that's just her. Not the shop. Later, QD.

I have no beef with her. I just wouldnt trust them to work on my car (nothing personal), as ive heard horror stories from evo owners about bg. I trust the shop i go to with anything and everything. This unnamed person knows everything there is to know about evos, since hes been working on them since evo 1 came out.

PS.: Only thing is i found the hello kitty evo hideous. LOL. but it was a girl car, so go figure.

[CHADbee]

voted

[Vteckidd]

And that's what sucks. Tracy just speaks her mind on whatever. And I guess that would fault the shop in getting business. They don't realize that's just her. Not the shop. Later, QD.

some people have a problem seperating PERSONAL OPINION from WORK .

I get it all the time, people call me a dick or an asshole for my view on something, then they will say "im not going to mainstream".

Like they wont come to us because i said Spiderman 3 sucks.

If i go after someone an ban them, ill hear "dont go to MSPi, mikes a dick". even though i banned them for NO REASON that had anything remotely to do with cars.

People dont realize how tough it is. Ill say it, you deal with people that completely waste your time, piss you off. You get people that want to make 1000whp for $1000. you get all kinds of bullshit. People dont know shit about cars, then want to question your methods. They are ungreatfull, arrogant, rude, crass, etc. sometimes, you lose it, i know i have.

Most of the people though are cool, they dont argue, they just want to have a fun car. Those are the people you keep doing this for. but sometimes, the "bad" people ruin any kind of "fun" or positive vibe you have, and its easy to let that carry over into other aspects of your life (like internet posting)

you can tell from my posting when i have had a bad day. My family can tell, my friends, etc. ill get so pissed off, so fired up, that you better stay away.

in many ways, Tracy an i are exactly alike, which is why we always talk to each other about this kind of stuff.

Unfortunetly, Tracy is a woman in a "mans" business. So think how often she gets treated like shit, or like she knows nothing, etc. I think she has become a little combative to people just from the way she gets treated. and she has gone out of her way to be nice to me an my shop. But no one ever talks about the good things she does. No one ever remembers the NICE things people do. its always the BAD stuff that gets remebered.

And sometimes, i hear shit about us, about how we "fucked up some car" an 99% of the time, its a car WE NEVER WORKED ON. some kid the other day on barrett said "oh man, my friends civic with an h22 got fucked up by MSPi". he had no idea who i was, i asked him what happened, an it was some bullshit story like we had put the wrong "racing pistons" in his "bois" motor. you know whats funny, WE HAVE NEVER WORKED ON AN H22 POWERED CIVIC. NEVER. that car NEVER came through our shop, yet someone was saying we had "fucked it up". that happens to shops ALL THE TIME. or its half the story gets told, like Tank likes to do to Topspeed an ISP. He only tells HIS SIDE of the story to make the shop look bad.

If you ask "whats the most talked about incident with BG over the past year"

90% will say she was wrong for going after speedmonkey
the other %10 will say something about them drifitng.

the problem is, NO ONE REMEMBERS the stuff speedmonkey said to provoke that outburst. all they remember is the camera, tracy, brandon, and will being "verbally bashed".

It wasnt a smart business move to go after will, but i understand why. If i called your mother a whore, and continually went after you for it, would you not want to confront me? thats all they did, but because it was Tracy vs Speedmonkey and tracy "represented batlground" it left a sour taste in peoples mouths about their business. People thought that becaus they went after will they would go after everyone, which simply isnt true.

Im not defending tracy, nor am i saying shes wrong. Its just a 3rd party view by someone that is in similar situations that she goes through.

[B16a2 Civic]

Mikes havin a good day
Yessssssssssssss

[B18c1Turboed]

Nope... I prefer to do all my own work.That way if you mess it up you cant blame anyone but yourself!
I understand alot of people dont know how to work on their own cars and all but just really think about how much money you would be saving.

Pick up a Helms manual and go to town, saving money equals buying more parts,buying more parts equal going faster.Going faster equal blowing shit up.Its all a win win!!!

[quickdodge®]

Pick up a Helms manual and go to town,

Don't you mean Haynes' manual? If so, how will that help you install turbos, intakes, and the other aftermarket goodies that are put on the cars? Not saying you're wrong about getting a Hayne's manual at all, but as far as tuning, it won't help out so much. Later, QD.

[Nemesis]

Just my personal opinion, but no matter if Tracy works for BatlGround or not, her actions and what she says will always be a reflection of them in some way or another. Not because she used to work there, but because first thing that comes to anyones mind most of the time when BatlGround is mentioned , is Tracy.


Its all about professionalism and maturity.

[Vteckidd]

^^^ My point exactly.

An QD there are 2 types of manuals. Haynes SUCKS, its generic, no real information except for your most basic jobs.

HELMS makes the manuals that the dealerships use. They are much more in depth an about 100 times thicker. they have wiring diagrams, clearances , everythign you need to know from the windshield wiper motor to what size rod bearings

[Kyle]

From what i understand:

Tracy and Dan date each other they have been together for YEARS.
Dan owns Batlground.
Tracy worked WITH (NOT FOR) Dan.
Tracy OWNS DRIFT FURY, Not Dan
Tracy XXXXXX Gets paid to drift by Maxis
Dan XXXXXX Gets paid to drift by Maxis
Maxis does not pay BATLGROUND to drift. they pay each driver seperately

Tracy decided to focus more on drifting an her events company (DRIFT FURY) and Dan run the shop.

She still has something to do with Batlground, but not in the same capacity she did before. if you call batlground, the voicemail says to email them for contact purposes.

They are soo busy travelling an drifting , they really cant focus on running the shop like they used to. so they take 1 car at a time, and choose their work rather than working on everything.

FSN wants to do a show on Batlground, so of course, all that hard work tracy has put in, your damn right shes going to be apart of it. Tracy also is the one doing all the deals, working the phones, getting sponsors from what i understand. shes probably the one that got the TV show in the first place.

Dan is like the guy behind the curtain in the wizard of Oz. He runs the shop, doesnt talk to many people, tunes cars, and doesnt do the phone work or marketing. Tracy handles all of that.

That is what i understand, i could be wrong

Thanks for the info, that makes tracy look a lot better in my eyes. Glad I know a little more. +2.

[s13slider®]

They tune cars great , but if they dont know you they are kinda some stuck up assholes when you call or walk in . I got my old dsm tuned there and they did a great job but they get kinda pissy when you start asking questions. IMO if im spending money i wanna know some details on exactly what they are doing and they pretty much just said we are tuning your car and thats all you need to know .

just my 2 cents though

[Ed]

Just my personal opinion, but no matter if Tracy works for BatlGround or not, her actions and what she says will always be a reflection of them in some way or another. Not because she used to work there, but because first thing that comes to anyones mind most of the time when BatlGround is mentioned , is Tracy.


Its all about professionalism and maturity.

+1

[SpeedMonkey]

i dont need to re-discuss my issues with batlground. EVERYONE that matters already knows.

i simply just want her to leave my name out of her mouth.. or i will further spit out my experiences and what i know. i wanted to leave it alone.. i beleive they're shady, overcharge (seen it.. its really stupid too) they havent done good work on car's i've seen, they have tuned shitty several times, they have had shady shit happen with parts and wheels.... but people can find that out on their own. i dont need to tell everyone.. i beleive those important enough already know. i want to drop it.. but she wont. so... i started this poll to show her how much stupidity costs a business.

[koukis14]

I'm not reading 4 pages of this so If I post something someone has said I'm sorry. My view on BG is they are wasting thier money and time on a drifting team. I pretty much ran the old shop I worked at because of my old bosses cancer. I though about opening a tuning shop when I moved down here but my dad talked me out of it. He said if the economy ever crashes, they will be the first kind of businesses to go. Im not exactly sure but do they do driveability diag, maintenance ect. I do know that turning down business is a direct result of poor management and a company inevitably going under.

Also how much time and money are they wasting with drifting? In my opinion drifting belongs right between the Monster Trucks and the Tractor Pulls. They are probably turning business down because they don't have the techs to handle a full load of work....or the ones they have are not skilled enough to handle it. I have known plenty of good, talented, smart techs that waste thier time and lives in "race" shops getting paid 13 bucks an hour with no benefits, when they could be at a dealership make $60k a year with full benefits.

Just my 2 cents.

[SpeedMonkey]

I'm not reading 4 pages of this so If I post something someone has said I'm sorry. My view on BG is they are wasting thier money and time on a drifting team. I pretty much ran the old shop I worked at because of my old bosses cancer. I though about opening a tuning shop when I moved down here but my dad talked me out of it. He said if the economy ever crashes, they will be the first kind of businesses to go. Im not exactly sure but do they do driveability diag, maintenance ect. I do know that turning down business is a direct result of poor management and a company inevitably going under.

Also how much time and money are they wasting with drifting? In my opinion drifting belongs right between the Monster Trucks and the Tractor Pulls. They are probably turning business down because they don't have the techs to handle a full load of work....or the ones they have are not skilled enough to handle it. I have known plenty of good, talented, smart techs that waste thier time and lives in "race" shops getting paid 13 bucks an hour with no benefits, when they could be at a dealership make $60k a year with full benefits.

Just my 2 cents.

+1

[quickdodge®]

but if they dont know you they are kinda some stuck up assholes when you call or walk in .

I've never been to shop where that did NOT happen. All shops are stuck up assholes if they don't know you. Later, QD.

[B18c1Turboed]

Ive been to BG one time, too drop off a car.We where there for about 20 mins and Tracy was yelling at Dan about the Nopi Drift license.
She was wanting to give them away and he wasnt, so they where yelling at eachother. That was my 1st and last impression!!


FYI: Balanced doesnt have a all wheel drive dyno, or else we would have went there,to get tuned!

[Vteckidd]

well, like anything in racing, money comes an goes.

They are taking a huge risk with drifting, because its still young. If it turns out to be a fad, then in a few years there will be problems, but right now its getting stronger an stronger every year, so no one really knows how long it will stick around.

But, lets say they get PAID $40,000 EACH to drift every yer, an they MAKE $20,000 a yer on their other events they promote. thats $50,000 a year to both people. so $100,000 a household.

thats not a bad living, why would you want to work on cars anymore?

i know i wouldnt

They are turning down work because they dont have TIME. small businesses are TOUGH, they cost ALOT of money to maintain. There is NO MONEY in performance shops. you have to do it because you love it. NO ONE is making $80,000 a yer running a performance shop. the only people that make money, are the people that HAD MONEY ALREADY WHEN THEY STARTED.

FYI: I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY MAKE OR GET PAID FOR DRIFITING, THEY MAY MAKE $1000 a year, I HAVE NO IDEA EXACT FIGURES.

[SpeedMonkey]

I've never been to shop where that did NOT happen. All shops are stuck up assholes if they don't know you. Later, QD.

yes... its like a dog backyard... everywhere you step in.. there will be shit. however.. it'd be nice to have some type of warning as to where the biggest pile of shit is. thats my point.

[koukis14]

I've never been to shop where that did NOT happen. All shops are stuck up assholes if they don't know you. Later, QD.

Thats because 99% of the time kids own the places. Kids that got money from mommy and daddy because they fucked everything else in thier life up.

The parents see thier kids are interested and know alot about cars a tuning and throw money at them to start a business so they don't look like fucktards because they were to stupid to go to college.

Honestly how many nationwide, famous, successful tuning shops are there?

And I guess the ones that can't put a turbo kit on a car just get reality shows on MTV.


WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO DARWINISM???

[SpeedMonkey]

lol dude bragging about beating a STOCK k03 turbo 1.8t on the HWY is like winning at the special olympics... in the end your still retarded. my car was faster at the track and yours is faster on the hwy wow!!! do you want a cookie? you make it sound like this was an amazing feat beating a 1.8t that came factory 150hp/160lbs

maybe i'll race you in my beetle to make you feel more of a man

exactly... you and yousef do NOT have cars that had enough work by them to be able to criticize their work fairly. im sorry.. but if you needed them for a boost controller install or anything that insignficant as enthusiasts.. YOU are the retards.

i might be retarded for racing your stock turbo car... but you talked smack about whooping 350z's... so i intentionally set up a race between me you and a certain blue RSX.... we both beat you... by alot, no biggie.. i knew it would happen.. i knew you were bsing out the mouth but i thought it'd be cool to embarrass the "MAN" who ran IA.. julio also made similar comments.. except.. he's not a bitch.. he came out.. ran... shook hands.. and i like him. besides..that was done on the kills sub forum.. isn't that the point of its existence? you talked... went... and got owned.

[quickdodge®]

yes... its like a dog backyard... everywhere you step in.. there will be shit. however.. it'd be nice to have some type of warning as to where the biggest pile of shit is. thats my point.

Oh I know, Will. I wasn't using my comment as pro-BG. That was just a general comment. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

Thats because 99% of the time kids own the places.

I can't ride with you on that. But the rest I can. Later, QD.

[Lucky DAWG]

well, like anything in racing, money comes an goes.

They are taking a huge risk with drifting, because its still young. If it turns out to be a fad, then in a few years there will be problems, but right now its getting stronger an stronger every year, so no one really knows how long it will stick around.

But, lets say they get PAID $40,000 EACH to drift every yer, an they MAKE $20,000 a yer on their other events they promote. thats $50,000 a year to both people. so $100,000 a household.

thats not a bad living, why would you want to work on cars anymore?

i know i wouldnt

They are turning down work because they dont have TIME. small businesses are TOUGH, they cost ALOT of money to maintain. There is NO MONEY in performance shops. you have to do it because you love it. NO ONE is making $80,000 a yer running a performance shop. the only people that make money, are the people that HAD MONEY ALREADY WHEN THEY STARTED.

FYI: I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY MAKE OR GET PAID FOR DRIFITING, THEY MAY MAKE $1000 a year, I HAVE NO IDEA EXACT FIGURES.

+1

I think Mr. Kidd makes a good point, and i also think that those of you who are openly critisizing BG for what some or most of your points seem to be made up theorems or half true analyzations; are not being fair. If you have a bad experience with them, then simply don't go there. To try and think up a reason for why they are turning away business is ignorant because you don't know why because you don't run the shop.

Think about a few more reasons why they might be doing it instead of critisizing them and thinking they are trying to screw you over in one way or another. No shop is perfect as i think it was QD that said before.

Just my opinion, but i don't think its fair to the shop

[SpeedMonkey]

+1

I think Mr. Kidd makes a good point, and i also think that those of you who are openly critisizing BG for what some or most of your points seem to be made up theorems or half true analyzations; are not being fair. If you have a bad experience with them, then simply don't go there. To try and think up a reason for why they are turning away business is ignorant because you don't know why because you don't run the shop.

Think about a few more reasons why they might be doing it instead of critisizing them and thinking they are trying to screw you over in one way or another. No shop is perfect as i think it was QD that said before.

Just my opinion, but i don't think its fair to the shop

i would agree.. but there has been plenty of truth. plenty of dissapointment.. anyone will shit talk ANY place of business after a bad experience.. but when its ALOT OF PEOPLE... something's up.

they did this to themselves... i didn't do it to them.

[quickdodge®]

No shop is perfect as i think it was QD that said before.

Admin said that, but I'll take the credit on it. Later, QD.

[SpeedMonkey]

lets leave BG alone.. im not talking about the SHOP anymore.. i'll let people come to their own conclusion...

i simply want to show how bad tracy is and was for Dan's business.

[Lucky DAWG]

i would agree.. but there has been plenty of truth. plenty of dissapointment.. anyone will shit talk ANY place of business after a bad experience.. but when its ALOT OF PEOPLE... something's up.

they did this to themselves... i didn't do it to them.

i understand that.
but as it seems from some posts that they have had good experiences with customers as well.

maybe i am jumping to conclusions, have you taken it up with them one on one before posting this?