Damn, beat me to it.........Originally Posted by Six2Six
Damn, beat me to it.........
Yeah it's ironic how people preach that stereotyping and generalizing is wrong, but yet it appears in their posts.
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what's an IMUS? am i missing out on quality television?
I'll tell you what.....why don't you answer my damn questions instead of avoiding them? Maybe that will help rather than you yourself being ambiguous and trying to straddle the fence. Either you think that something is right or wrong or you don't. COLOR/RACE should have NOTHING to do with that decision. If you disagree, then speak up and say why. If not, then quit defending the actions of people who do that very thing. Every single person I've named specifically does that very thing.Generalize much?
Is that specific enough for you or should I break it down further?
Actually the irony is that you pointed out that neither Jesse nor Al are "leaders" according to you, yet you have failed to answer my question as to who is then.Yeah it's ironic how people preach that stereotyping and generalizing is wrong, but yet it appears in their posts.
Beat you to what exactly?
You are actually the biggest supporter of the two jackasses in this whole thread. What exactly does that say about YOU?
You need to do a little research and quit getting sucked into the vortex full of lies your buddies are spitting out to any camera w/i a 10 mi radius. Al Sharpton "smart"??? Him and Jesse keeping the racial injustices from being forgotten??? Please, they have torn far more DOWN than any real Black leaders ever built. They are out for themselves, period. If you want to put them up on a pedestal on your mantle, be my guest. You certainly aren't alone, and that's exactly what's sad.
yea where were they when them Duke boys got the charges dropped
Sharpton and Jackson were the first on the scene, coalition and all
Im glad he's off the air tho, noone that fug should be on cable
How do you figure I am supporting them? I said before they were sucked into mainstream and greed, they did do good/great acts. NOW, they both are in it for who knows what reason. I was agreeing with 90% of what you were saying man!
Al is smart, get over it. Is he using it in the best manner, NO; I got over that!
In the last decade I question alot of their decisions, probably further back than that. Back in the King days up to the late 1980's, Jesse was doing great things. Now I do not feel strongly of their actions.
And SIX beat me to noticing the GENERALIZATION of people.......
Ummmm, see below?....
They may have done one or two good things in their life, but who hasn't. Even Adolf Hitler fed some hungry Germans once.I said before they were sucked into mainstream and greed, they did do good/great acts. NOW, they both are in it for who knows what reason. I was agreeing with 90% of what you were saying man!
Your threshold for someone being "smart" must be wayyyy lower than mine then.Al is smart, get over it.
Did yall want me to name each and every Black "entertainer" that had said something derrogatory about females, whites, blacks, hispanics, asians, cows, horses, buses?????? That would take all day, hence the generalization. It's obvious yall didn't get the real important part of what I was saying which was "don't complain if "do as I say, not as I do" comes back to bite you on the behind". So if that's all you two got was that I was generalizing, yall missed my point.And SIX beat me to noticing the GENERALIZATION of people.......
I keep shit simple
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Stop chopping my post! I said he is smart and does not use it in the best manner...Ummmm, see below?....
They may have done one or two good things in their life, but who hasn't. Even Adolf Hitler fed some hungry Germans once.
Your threshold for someone being "smart" must be wayyyy lower than mine then.
Did yall want me to name each and every Black "entertainer" that had said something derrogatory about females, whites, blacks, hispanics, asians, cows, horses, buses?????? That would take all day, hence the generalization. It's obvious yall didn't get the real important part of what I was saying which was "don't complain if "do as I say, not as I do" comes back to bite you on the behind". So if that's all you two got was that I was generalizing, yall missed my point.
Hitler = bad comparison, horrible actually
And you also said "and the rest of the Black entertainment industry"........c'mon
Also, by me saying that they have done good acts does not mean I support them! Geez, don't twist the words.....
#1. I'll reply however I want.
#2. Again, you obviously didn't get Hitler, so I'll break it down for you. YOU said "they'd done SOME good before...", so in response to that I gave you the analogy of HITLER did SOME good before too but that obviously doesn't make him someone to even remotely look up to, right???? Get it now?
#3. So what if I said the rest of the Black entertainment industry, that's what I meant. I have NEVER seen a single producer, song writer, publicist, movie producer, actor (except Bill Cosby), rapper, singer, music store (except with the 2live Crew thing), comedian, or just about anyone associated with entertaining anyone come out and PUBLICLY and LOUDLY and PROFOUNDLY protest to music/movies/comedic shows/TV using derrogatory terms towards ANYONE. They can bad mouth whites, women, blacks, hispanics, gov't, retarded people, sex, penis size.....it doesn't matter. They have carte blanche to say and do whatever they want and noone ever complains.....UNTIL.....it is someone of a different color/race as they are. THEN the gloves come off and everyone is utterly offended and their pussys hurt because someone said what they HEAR and SEE everyday, just NOW they don't agree with it or find it funny only because of WHO said it.
That sir, is BS. Don't agree? Tough titties. That's MY opinion as I've observed it. I don't like people who talk out of both sides of their mouth. Pick a side and stay there. Don't be riding the fence and then choosing a side based on color. THAT is racist. There should not be a double standard. Name a time when a double standard is EVER good. Name it.
Dude, don't get your panties in a bunch. It's the internet. You should've said something instead of playing games. If you want to get my attention, speak up next time.
I think what Imus said was wrong. Whether it was racist in intent is something I can't answer because I'm not him. I think anyone who is dumb enough to make a remark over the public air waves like he did deserves to be punished. Although I don't think what he said was bad enough for him to loose his job, he should've been suspended for a lot more than 2 weeks and possibly fined.
Regarding the "fence", I don't know what you're talking about. I meant everything I said in all of my responses. Obviously you either misread my posts or maybe you just don't understand English.
I thought by saying that, any normal person would get the jest that I don't like Al or Jesse.
You're exactly right. But I live in this little place called Reality. In our town we know that when the shit hits the fan, we're gonna side with our own people even if they're wrong. Is it right? No. Is it fair? No. But shit, neither is life.
I hope this post is concise and to the point. I tried not to use any big words so it would cut down on the confusion.
Sorry, no fence riding here. I am laying facts, I am on no ones side.#1. I'll reply however I want.
#2. Again, you obviously didn't get Hitler, so I'll break it down for you. YOU said "they'd done SOME good before...", so in response to that I gave you the analogy of HITLER did SOME good before too but that obviously doesn't make him someone to even remotely look up to, right???? Get it now?
#3. So what if I said the rest of the Black entertainment industry, that's what I meant. I have NEVER seen a single producer, song writer, publicist, movie producer, actor (except Bill Cosby), rapper, singer, music store (except with the 2live Crew thing), comedian, or just about anyone associated with entertaining anyone come out and PUBLICLY and LOUDLY and PROFOUNDLY protest to music/movies/comedic shows/TV using derrogatory terms towards ANYONE. They can bad mouth whites, women, blacks, hispanics, gov't, retarded people, sex, penis size.....it doesn't matter. They have carte blanche to say and do whatever they want and noone ever complains.....UNTIL.....it is someone of a different color/race as they are. THEN the gloves come off and everyone is utterly offended and their pussys hurt because someone said what they HEAR and SEE everyday, just NOW they don't agree with it or find it funny only because of WHO said it.
That sir, is BS. Don't agree? Tough titties. That's MY opinion as I've observed it. I don't like people who talk out of both sides of their mouth. Pick a side and stay there. Don't be riding the fence and then choosing a side based on color. THAT is racist. There should not be a double standard. Name a time when a double standard is EVER good. Name it.
I do not like Generalization......everyone is different.
I do not like Al and Jesse; although they have done good things, they have done crappy things.
All of the Black entertainment idustry does not fall into the category you are laying them in. Many of them do "sing a different tune", sadly it does not play as much because it is not what America reacts to.
Stop Generalizing, please.
Oh, Hitler killed people......so not cool
I don't play games. If my words were too hard for you to understand, go to www.dictionary.com and follow along next time.Dude, don't get your panties in a bunch. It's the internet. You should've said something instead of playing games. If you want to get my attention, speak up next time.
Then why did you say that he got what he deserved then? He deserved to be called a tard and maybe to fined for being a prick, but losing his job???I think what Imus said was wrong. Whether it was racist in intent is something I can't answer because I'm not him. I think anyone who is dumb enough to make a remark over the public air waves like he did deserves to be punished. Although I don't think what he said was bad enough for him to loose his job, he should've been suspended for a lot more than 2 weeks and possibly fined.
Again, neither you nor Airmax have bothered to answer any of my questions directly.....like how would YOU like it if someone came in and got YOU fired for something YOU said that made THEM angry?
I promise you don't want to try to go there with me.Regarding the "fence", I don't know what you're talking about. I meant everything I said in all of my responses. Obviously you either misread my posts or maybe you just don't understand English.
I said you're riding the fence because in one post you say one thing and then in the very next post you contradict yourself and say something else. That's why I said to stop riding the fence.
One minute you say that it wasn't that big a deal, the next you say that it was racist. Pick a side. Racism IS a big deal.
Finally......there we have it.You're exactly right. But I live in this little place called Reality. In our town we know that when the shit hits the fan, we're gonna side with our own people even if they're wrong. Is it right? No. Is it fair? No. But shit, neither is life.
This is the exact reason why there is and will always be a divide between every race here in America. I'm glad you finally admitted that you DO ride the fence.
If I'm exactly right as I put it, I'm just right. I'm not Spanish right. I'm not Brown right. I'm just right. Right? You even agreed with me on that, right? Right.
So then how come you suddenly have a case of IBS of the mouth and spout out what you just did. So let me get this straight; You will side with someone, even when you KNOW they are wrong, just because of the color of their skin or where they came from????? Again, go to www.dictionary.com, look up the definition of RACISM, read it, and see how it applies to you.
Wrong is wrong my friend. REGARDLESS, not BECAUSE, of color or race. So if you think that its right to side with someone based on the color of their skin, you are no better than Al nor Jesse or any other racist because that is EXACTLY what they do.
I used big words, but I gave you reference points to go find out what they mean. If you need additional sources of help, let me know.I hope this post is concise and to the point. I tried not to use any big words so it would cut down on the confusion.
And you may be absolutely right about that, as a matter of fact if you look above you (my reply to Six2Six) will see clearly why it is that certain things get the lime light and others don't.
I can't explain more clearly why I used a general statement. If you want specific examples, I'd be happy to oblige.Stop Generalizing, please.
Dead is dead. Riots incited by rants of racism have KILLED people just as dead as the Jews that Hitler gassed.Oh, Hitler killed people......so not cool
Again, I can't explain how the ANALOGY still escapes you. Hitler killed people due to his racism. All the race pimps encourage people that already have racist tendencies into having an excuse to do harm to other people, including killing them. Do you honestly think that any side (black, white, brown, or yellow) has not used the excuse given them by such instigators to commit murder???? Look up your history books. Look at what happened during the Civil Rights era in the South. Why did both Black and White people get killed? Racism. Why did Hitler kill Jews? Racism. Why did people die during racial riots of the 60's and even the 90's? Racism. ALL of which was what??? Further instigated by someone that played on existing thoughts.
Get it now?
Most of the folks who are putting al the pressure on him about getting fired and getting punished. Said that its kind of messed up that hes really being used as a example, because this has happened before and happens allt he time like u all say. But when he says some idiotic stuff trying to be funny it was just that time to really say enough is enough since most folks have been gettin a slap on the wrist and everyone forgets about it.
And abo the whole duke thing, that everyone keeps blaming jackson and sharpton. it was really the North carolina DA, that rushed the guilty talk. And tried hard to get those guys locked up. Because he was tryin to get the black vote in NC, and was using this case to stay in office.
True. I hadn't really looked at it from that angle. So you're basically saying that it has to start somewhere, right. If so, +1.
And abo the whole duke thing, that everyone keeps blaming jackson and sharpton. it was really the North carolina DA, that rushed the guilty talk. And tried hard to get those guys locked up. Because he was tryin to get the black vote in NC, and was using this case to stay in office.
Damn it!!! Just as I was about to +1 you for the previous statement, you go and do this.
Yes, the DA is a tard and is probably gonna get disbarred for it. Good! Serves him right. He was trying to send some innocent guys to prison. But do you not remember Jesse Jackson coming in and immidietly promising to give that girl (that as it turns out was lying) a scholarship for her "ordeal"??? Al Sharpton also chimed in on that one too if I recall correctly. So they were in the fray too. That's the point, they can't keep their noses out of anything that has a Black person and a White person as the actors. It's like automatic.
I'll have to find the video somewhere. I saw them on the news when they announced that they were dropping the charges. Unlike their 2 hours worth of coverage for the Imus thing, it was only like a 3 sec blurb as part of the Duke story.
I'm going to find it to post it.
True. I hadn't really looked at it from that angle. So you're basically saying that it has to start somewhere, right. If so, +1.
Damn it!!! Just as I was about to +1 you for the previous statement, you go and do this.
Yes, the DA is a tard and is probably gonna get disbarred for it. Good! Serves him right. He was trying to send some innocent guys to prison. But do you not remember Jesse Jackson coming in and immidietly promising to give that girl (that as it turns out was lying) a scholarship for her "ordeal"??? Al Sharpton also chimed in on that one too if I recall correctly. So they were in the fray too. That's the point, they can't keep their noses out of anything that has a Black person and a White person as the actors. It's like automatic.
I'll have to find the video somewhere. I saw them on the news when they announced that they were dropping the charges. Unlike their 2 hours worth of coverage for the Imus thing, it was only like a 3 sec blurb as part of the Duke story.
I'm going to find it to post it.
ya i heard about the scholarship thing, but that whole situation was bad to begin with. but besides black and white, when a girl screams rape.. everyone always believes the female before the evidence is collected and investigated.
BTW i always try to delete the media factor out of all the situatsion thats why i never mention anything about them. because there intentions are never good.
Wow, to all the people who got offended by the comments, i give you a big FUCK YOU. This is America and we have a thing called freedom of speech. If you don't like it, turn it the fuck off...really. And fuck these racist asshole who are saying his comments were 'racist', they were fucking not you grabastic piles of amphibian inbred shit. God damn this shit pisses me off. Seriously, he made a comment about a TEAM not a FUCKING RACE! But all the racist black people go and cry 'racist' and get heard.
Am i racist? NO. If people are going to be ignorant and stupid, thats what they will be. I think Al Sharpton and everyone that agrees with him are a bunch on NAPPY HEADED HOES.... god i'd love to say that to his face. Next black person that says something like that should be plastered all over the news as beign racist.... it would be the same god damn thing.
Fuck you america, fuck you white people and fuck you black people and fuck all races that made the whole idea of racism such a fucking TABOO subject.. thats all it fucking is... TAB FUCKING BOO.
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oOoOoOo BURN! Not. Yet another feeble attempt to try and insult me with "class" lol. You're really just making yourself look like you can't come up with a meaningful response so you use a little crass remark instead. Grow up.I don't play games. If my words were too hard for you to understand, go to www.dictionary.com and follow along next time.
He got what his employers thought was a proper punishment. Would I have done the same? Probably not. But my name isn't MSNBC.Then why did you say that he got what he deserved then? He deserved to be called a tard and maybe to fined for being a prick, but losing his job???
I'd probably be angry at first but I'd eventually get over it and move on. It's not the end of the world and I'm sure he knows that.Again, neither you nor Airmax have bothered to answer any of my questions directly.....like how would YOU like it if someone came in and got YOU fired for something YOU said that made THEM angry?
If it's a battle of wits you want, I'm always game.I promise you don't want to try to go there with me.
Like I said above, I don't know if he was trying to be racist or not. At first I perceived it that way, but then I gave it some thought. He said something stupid, the wrong people heard it and it backfired.I said you're riding the fence because in one post you say one thing and then in the very next post you contradict yourself and say something else. That's why I said to stop riding the fence.
One minute you say that it wasn't that big a deal, the next you say that it was racist. Pick a side. Racism IS a big deal.
If that's how you define riding the fence, by living in reality, then whatever. You can think that if you want. I won't lose any sleep over it.Finally......there we have it.
This is the exact reason why there is and will always be a divide between every race here in America. I'm glad you finally admitted that you DO ride the fence.
Don't give me that bullshit. Racism defined:So then how come you suddenly have a case of IBS of the mouth and spout out what you just did. So let me get this straight; You will side with someone, even when you KNOW they are wrong, just because of the color of their skin or where they came from????? Again, go to www.dictionary.com, look up the definition of RACISM, read it, and see how it applies to you.
Wrong is wrong my friend. REGARDLESS, not BECAUSE, of color or race. So if you think that its right to side with someone based on the color of their skin, you are no better than Al nor Jesse or any other racist because that is EXACTLY what they do.
A belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
Where did I say I was better than someone else? That's right. I didn't. All I did was point out how life REALLY is. But yet you go and twist words again, like you did to Airmax, to make you seem like the good guy.
LOL CBS just fired his ass.
Al Sharpton should be fired for being racist.
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Does he even have a real job (i.e. where he gets a paycheck)? I thought he lived off his groupies' donations.
Wouldn't that make him a con-artist??Does he even have a real job (i.e. where he gets a paycheck)? I thought he lived off his groupies' donations.
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Maybe so. Poor groupies.
I made a statement a few pages ago about sexual harassment and how it works in coporate america. This situation is no different other than the media attention. It doesn't matter that I don't see anything wrong with a Matco tools calender showing women in a bathing suit. What matters is it may be offensive to some. People make attempts everyday NOT to offend people; whether because of race, sex, or culture.
Imus was not fired because of Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. He was fired because he crossed a line that his employer was not willing to cross with him. Plain and simple. However what I see here is justification for why "it shouldn't be that big of a deal".
It is very sad that when people think of African Americans, they jump right past the good people and qoute the most controversial people of the race. It never changes.
I'm sure most of you were around a month ago when South Park had the N-word episode. What I'm sure none of you saw on CNN! was the group of African Americans who are trying to BAN the N-word. Imagine that, African Americans that don't use ignorant language; and it wasn't even that hard to find.
They do that because without Al and Jesse, they have no argument.
Imagine that! I thought all Black people thought like Al and Jesse and walked around calling each other "nigga" all day? Next you'll be telling me that all White people aren't racists.I'm sure most of you were around a month ago when South Park had the N-word episode. What I'm sure none of you saw on CNN! was the group of African Americans who are trying to BAN the N-word. Imagine that, African Americans that don't use ignorant language; and it wasn't even that hard to find.
/sarcasm
I think everyone in this thread white or black have agreed on Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson but people are still harping on them in this thread and calling them racist.
I will ask this though, if Al Sharpton didn't grab on to this issue would Imus still have a job?
They do that because without Al and Jesse, they have no argument.
Imagine that! I thought all Black people thought like Al and Jesse and walked around calling each other "nigga" all day? Next you'll be telling me that all White people aren't racists.
/sarcasm
lol +1
Without the media attention, I believe he'd still be employed.
I don't know if he would still have his job, but it definately wouldn't have been as big a deal. It's kind of like the recall we have at my job (Toyota). There is a campaign because of a law suit filed against Toyota about certain engines sludging up. Some people were told to pay thousands of dollars to take care of a situation that lay with the design. However, when people started complaining Toyota had to act to protect their image. Things like this happen all the time in business so I don't understand how all these great business minded individuals can't understand it.
Then apparently he is good for something, I may not agree with his agenda but at the end of the day what needed to be done is done.. one less idiot on the air.
probrably so, the whole situation is brought out by the media. IF we all agree it was wrong for him to say it in the first place im happy. WE all know it was stupid shit that he said and pointless. Thats all that matters, and we all know everything else is media.....and more bs to get us to forget about bush ruining our country....lol
What?!? I have total faith in our country's leader...
Actually Europeans have straight hair and Africans have corse or "nappy" hair as you call it. "Nappy" hair is indigenous to Africa as it keeps the head cooler and hotter climates whereas straight hair is a genetic adaptation to Europe and Asia to keep the head warm in colder whether.
If a white person has nappy hair they have black blood in them somewhere along the lines which according to TRADITIONAL AMERICAN STANDARDS makes them black. So no white people cannot just sprout naps and waves at random.
We are actually one race with geo-genetic adaptation traits and huge cultural differences. There is no piece of evidence that proves there are actually different races of humans, actually what the hell is a race? A competition to die faster? Thats just some punk ass European divisive shit to get you to fight each other in the break room while they pump your asscheeks for money on the shift.
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Why do white people call black people racist when black people, in America, have no viable power to negatively manipulate any ethnicity (or "race" as you call it)?
Why do white people care what Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson say? Do Al Sharpoton and Jesse Jackson impinge upon your rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Maybe they impede people's ability to be racists but thats nothing Jesus Christ condemn.
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lol +1
Does he even have a real job (i.e. where he gets a paycheck)? I thought he lived off his groupies' donations.
correction, it was jesse jacksons illegitimate kid and mistress that lived off of groupie donations
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