How much of a man does it make you?

[Lucky DAWG]

I was noticing something on IA, in real life, tv, media, w/e... point being that this is all over the place. Not to mention a jealous ex boyfriend of a girl i've dated who threatened to knife me lol... the memory brought this on.

I hear people get in fights all the time and some of the time it results in one person threatening the other person with a knife or gun or something and there is a small chance that they might actually be carrying one or the other...

Besides the empty threats like "i'm gonna cut you" or "i'll shoot you" that go around as a joke, does anyone else think it is pussy when someone in a fight pulls out a gun or something when clearly the other person is going to lose now just so they can gain an unfair advantage?

I'm not a big guy, but i don't go around making physical threats over stupid things. IMO i think that if you are going to challenge someone to a fight that you should do it fairly hand to hand.

Another thing, ganging up on someone seems pretty gay to me as well

agree?
disagree?

discuss please, i'm curious to hear what others think

[dnugs03rsx]

i had some chicks ex threatened to shoot take my family and tie them up and kill them in front of me then kill me so we went and slit that mofos tires on his brand new truck haha

[Ruiner]

Besides the empty threats like "i'm gonna cut you" or "i'll shoot you" that go around as a joke, does anyone else think it is pussy when someone in a fight pulls out a gun or something when clearly the other person is going to lose now just so they can gain an unfair advantage?

I'm not a big guy, but i don't go around making physical threats over stupid things. IMO i think that if you are going to challenge someone to a fight that you should do it fairly hand to hand.

I think that only a stupid person fights "fairly" as you so call it. Smart people walk away, alive, while stupid people lay in a pool of their own blood. Survival of the fittest. No matter what fight I am in, I always gain the advantage.

It's like the guy who got INTO my car that night at the gas station. I didn't "see" a weapon immediately, but I immediately pulled my gun and got the upper hand? Why you ask? It's simple: to not gain the upper hand could be be a hazard to my health/life.

Does it make me more or less of a man because I got away with no injuries? It makes me a smart man to know that I get to go home at night. Only a stupid man would leave things up to chance.

[Halfwit]

and with that post.

i declare a thread turnaround.


i get out of hte situation as quick as i can then i wait til they aint lookin and throw somethin at em.

[GTScoob]

I try not to get into fights. If I had a gun and felt threatened I would pull it out and use it as leverage to end the quarrel, like Ruiner said. If it was a fight I started I'd sure as hell pull it out and finish what I started. I dont go around threatening anybody but if I did and when I have, I've followed up with it. Mainly I just try to stay level-headed and out of situations where one might be needed.

If it is just some drunken antics I'd leave it away and just go mano y mano. I'm a big guy with a huge pain tolerance so I've got a pretty good advantage.

[Jecht]

I think that only a stupid person fights "fairly" as you so call it. Smart people walk away, alive, while stupid people lay in a pool of their own blood. Survival of the fittest. No matter what fight I am in, I always gain the advantage.

It's like the guy who got INTO my car that night at the gas station. I didn't "see" a weapon immediately, but I immediately pulled my gun and got the upper hand? Why you ask? It's simple: to not gain the upper hand could be be a hazard to my health/life.

Does it make me more or less of a man because I got away with no injuries? It makes me a smart man to know that I get to go home at night. Only a stupid man would leave things up to chance.

Haha at least you have a car that someone considered worth stealing, mine is WAY at the bottom of the list of most stolen cars.

Anyways, I agree that while it may not seem "manly" to pull a weapon out on someone in a fight, it is the smartest and fastest way to avoid personal injury.

[Ruiner]

Haha at least you have a car that someone considered worth stealing, mine is WAY at the bottom of the list of most stolen cars.

Anyways, I agree that while it may not seem "manly" to pull a weapon out on someone in a fight, it is the smartest and fastest way to avoid personal injury.

All I care about is going home at night as unhurt as possible. I turn 31 in a few days and I have too much to loose with trying to "fight fair" so to speak. If I have the means to get the upper hand, so be it. THAT is using your head if you ask me.

[GTScoob]

Anyways, I agree that while it may not seem "manly" to pull a weapon out on someone in a fight, it is the smartest and fastest way to avoid personal injury.

And thats only if they dont have a similar weapon, then we're back to the wild west.
Anybody can be packing, anybody can be an ex-gangbanger, anybody can be a poser, you dont know so why take the chance?

[Lucky DAWG]

I think that only a stupid person fights "fairly" as you so call it. Smart people walk away, alive, while stupid people lay in a pool of their own blood. Survival of the fittest. No matter what fight I am in, I always gain the advantage.

It's like the guy who got INTO my car that night at the gas station. I didn't "see" a weapon immediately, but I immediately pulled my gun and got the upper hand? Why you ask? It's simple: to not gain the upper hand could be be a hazard to my health/life.

Does it make me more or less of a man because I got away with no injuries? It makes me a smart man to know that I get to go home at night. Only a stupid man would leave things up to chance.

being robbed by a stranger is a bit different.....

sorry if it was misinterpreted
but i mean challenging someone to a fight under the circumstances that they have been doing a lot of trash talking or have royally screwed you over in some way and a fight is the last resort.

when defending yourself in a situation like that
wielding a gun is completely understandable

i'm saying when you are on the offense, using weapons just seems like you can't back up your words. basically, If you have to use a weapon to gain the upper hand then don't start a fight.

[Julio]

If at all possible, walk away. I agree with Ruiner.. I carry also, but that doesnt mean I should flash everytime.. But is there when needed or if I feel my life is in jeopardy.

I guess we learn as we get older.

[jmmx258]

I don't pull weapons lol. Don't care to either. The way I see it, when I was commin up, I spent 8 years in mixed martial arts. I also was starter pitcher in the 15-18 y/o league when I was 13. I could throw a 95mph fast ball. Do you really want my fist to hit you? lol

[BTLFED]

I don't fight fair. I fight to win. If that means walking away, grabbing a large object, or grabbing a gun, I will fight to win.

[ahmonrah]

if it's a bare knuckle brawl...may the best man win. but under NO circumstances WHATSOEVER will i let the fact out of my mind that though this may be a knuckle buster, this guy MAY, in the event of imminent defeat, resort to more agressive tactics to secure a win. so i keep my girl with me, or in the immediate proximity.

[Ruiner]

I don't pull weapons lol. Don't care to either. The way I see it, when I was commin up, I spent 8 years in mixed martial arts. I also was starter pitcher in the 15-18 y/o league when I was 13. I could throw a 95mph fast ball. Do you really want my fist to hit you? lol

I've been hit by a 17,000 lb truck doing 60mph. I think I'll be okay. I'd rather be hit by your fist than a .40 cal bullet from my Glock. You'd probably agree with me as well.

[Ruiner]

i'm saying when you are on the offense, using weapons just seems like you can't back up your words. basically, If you have to use a weapon to gain the upper hand then don't start a fight.

Let me expand up my statement, then: anyone who goes around trying to "back up their words" has A LOT of growing up to do. If you feel the need to call people out and whatnot, you deserve what you get. Knowing that, I'd never approach a fight that I knew would happen without knowing that I would have the upper hand at all times. Why leave it to chance? I've seen some of the biggest guys go down to a lucky punch. It can happen to anyone. Why chance and risk it?

[WWJDrift]

fighting in general is dumb, people who pull guns out and try and act hard are just punks, i dont recommend pulling a gun on anyone because I know alot of people who would shoot you for that even if you are just trying to be intimidating.

[Ruiner]

I don't fight fair. I fight to win. If that means walking away, grabbing a large object, or grabbing a gun, I will fight to win.

Bingo, 'cause in the in, the person that fights to win walks away. The loser gets the worse of it and might not even live to tell his tale. Nobody remembers the loser as someone who "fought fair" so to speak.

[AgentEasy]

and with that post.

i declare a thread turnaround.


i get out of hte situation as quick as i can then i wait til they aint lookin and throw somethin at em.

like putting it in reverse in the middle of 75?



lol and yeah i agree with ruiner.. i keep a bat in my car.. cause 9/10.. people in this world will wither gang up on you or pull a knife.. si i igure why not level it/ gain a slight advantage..

[Ruiner]

fighting in general is dumb, people who pull guns out and try and act hard are just punks, i dont recommend pulling a gun on anyone because I know alot of people who would shoot you for that even if you are just trying to be intimidating.

Where did this become a "pull your gun without the intention of using it" thread?

If I pull my gun, my intention is to stop the threat. If there is no threat, I don't pull my gun. It's that simple. There are laws about when and how you can pull your piece ya know...

[AgentEasy]

Bingo, 'cause in the in, the person that fights to win walks away. The loser gets the worse of it and might not even live to tell his tale. Nobody remembers the loser as someone who "fought fair" so to speak.

exactly.. which is why i'm gonna start carrying as soon as i turn 21.. casue even if you are fighting.. i'd rather know i had my options.. cause even if th other person doesnt know abou tit.. doesnt mean i dont have it.. you know? i'd rather know i had a back-up plan in case shit went bad quick.. or in case the other person had a back-up plan..

[WWJDrift]

Where did this become a "pull your gun without the intention of using it" thread?

If I pull my gun, my intention is to stop the threat. If there is no threat, I don't pull my gun. It's that simple. There are laws about when and how you can pull your piece ya know...

So the point of this thread is, if you have a gun? shoot the guy before he shoots you?

[AgentEasy]

Where did this become a "pull your gun without the intention of using it" thread?

If I pull my gun, my intention is to stop the threat. If there is no threat, I don't pull my gun. It's that simple. There are laws about when and how you can pull your piece ya know...

+1 to you..just for being a real man.. and tactical as hell.. lol same way i am.. rather have a condom and not need it than need one and not have it.. know?

[Ruiner]

exactly.. which is why i'm gonna start carrying as soon as i turn 21.. casue even if you are fighting.. i'd rather know i had my options.. cause even if th other person doesnt know abou tit.. doesnt mean i dont have it.. you know? i'd rather know i had a back-up plan in case shit went bad quick.. or in case the other person had a back-up plan..

I'm a grown man. I'd rather not fight if I don't have to. Usually, you don't have to. If you ARE having to fight, it's probably something of elevated circumstances. Like I said, I don't go around "challenging" people and talking trash. I don't say, "meet me in the parking lot" and whatnot so that we can have it out...

[WWJDrift]

I'm a grown man. I'd rather not fight if I don't have to. Usually, you don't have to. If you ARE having to fight, it's probably something of elevated circumstances. Like I said, I don't go around "challenging" people and talking trash. I don't say, "meet me in the parking lot" and whatnot so that we can have it out...

I SEE THE LIGHT

[civic95]

I think that only a stupid person fights "fairly" as you so call it. Smart people walk away, alive, while stupid people lay in a pool of their own blood. Survival of the fittest. No matter what fight I am in, I always gain the advantage.

It's like the guy who got INTO my car that night at the gas station. I didn't "see" a weapon immediately, but I immediately pulled my gun and got the upper hand? Why you ask? It's simple: to not gain the upper hand could be be a hazard to my health/life.

Does it make me more or less of a man because I got away with no injuries? It makes me a smart man to know that I get to go home at night. Only a stupid man would leave things up to chance.

Well said.

To answer the question "how much of man does it make you?"

It's makes you an alive one.

[Ruiner]

So the point of this thread is, if you have a gun? shoot the guy before he shoots you?

No, the point of this thread is: If you are a truly mature grown up, you don't go around "challenging" people to fights. If you do, be prepared to reap the consequences of someone's will for self-preservation.

If someone challenges me to a fight, I'll just gladly walk away. If he follows/comes after me, well then, the story gets a bit more complex and he should be prepared to reap the consequences of his actions. All situations are unique. I can't give a blanket statement that covers all.

[Ruiner]

Well said.

To answer the question "how much of man does it make you?"

It's makes you an alive one.

Yep. REAL men live, stupid men die.

[WWJDrift]

just wondering, is it legal to carry a shotgun in your back window?

[civic95]

just wondering, is it legal to carry a shotgun in your back window?

You can transport a loaded firearm in any private passenger motor vehicle in an open manner and fully exposed to view or in the glove compartment, console, or similar compartment of the vehicle.

[Lucky DAWG]

No, the point of this thread is: If you are a truly mature grown up, you don't go around "challenging" people to fights. If you do, be prepared to reap the consequences of someone's will for self-preservation.

If someone challenges me to a fight, I'll just gladly walk away. If he follows/comes after me, well then, the story gets a bit more complex and he should be prepared to reap the consequences of his actions. All situations are unique. I can't give a blanket statement that covers all.

no that is not the point at all for the 2nd time

i wish you would stop warping this thread and being condescending.

i wouldn't hesitate to carry around a gun either
or use it if i had to in defense.

But things like jumping someone, cheap shots, kicking someone while their down just so you can win is what im asking you. Forget the fact about whether fighting is right or not, this is a situation that you have to go through with in this scenario.

Call me old fashioned but if i had to fight someone i would rather do it honrably and lose rather then rely on cheap tactics. If the other guy pulls something out on me first though, then by all means, its open game

[Lucky DAWG]

just wondering, is it legal to carry a shotgun in your back window?

yea it is

you'll see a bunch of beer drinkin trucker rednecks with a shotgun rack in the back haha, my friend just recently put one in

[240sxautox]

It is a complete bitch move to pull a gun or a knife in a fight or something.

I also completely hate people who if you're going to knuckle up and go for it, don't call 500 of your friends to show up and fight for you.



If you're man enough to start a fight you should be man enough to end it. ONE ON ONE.

I've had this happen many a time, but I've since grown up and I don't fight for no reason anymore, although if someone talks shit I will still end it-quickly.

[Z32redondo]

It is a complete bitch move to pull a gun or a knife in a fight or something.

I also completely hate people who if you're going to knuckle up and go for it, don't call 500 of your friends to show up and fight for you.



If you're man enough to start a fight you should be man enough to end it. ONE ON ONE.

I've had this happen many a time, but I've since grown up and I don't fight for no reason anymore, although if someone talks shit I will still end it-quickly.

Ok well I guess im kind of mixed then. When I fight, I almost always have a weopon on me. Usually my balisong (butterfly knife). I'm not all flashing that shit threatening with it but if the mofo picks up a steal pole or some shit trying to beat the shit out of me I will pull it out.

I also do bring my friends with me. Not to fight for me or talk trash for me or whatever but for the pure reason that if the other persons friends jump in I atleast have some back up and not sitting there getting my ass stomped by 5 people. I will never go to a fight alone I atleast have one other person with me so if the shit hits the fan then someone is there to take me to the hospital or whatever. I dont want to get stabbed or something and just sit there all alone in my own blood half way paralized.

I dont instigate, dont talk trash, dont run my mouth about other guy's girls. But if someone is really asking for it and pulling off their shirt or some bullshit wanting to square off after them talking a bunch of shit, I have no problem putting them in their place. Like said I dont go looking for fights, or go flashing my "back up" during a fight. The only way I usually fight is if (A)someone is attacking me or (B) just really wanting to prove they are something by talking a bunch of shit about my girl or some shit.

Like said I dont go looking for fights but if one comes my way I dont mind.

To answer the question though. Do I think cheap shots are okay yes and no. Do I think kicking someone while they are on their hands and knees is wrong...yes. Do I think getting far enough into a fight to the point where im on top of someone hitting them is cheap...NO. Those are two very diferent things.

Hitting someone and making them fall to the ground and then letting them get on all fours and kicking them in the face is def. a cheap shot. But fightiing someone and doing something like ducking a punch they throw at you and grabbing their legs slamming them on the pavement. Then continue fighting at this point is def. ok. It is a fair fight and they have a perfect chance to get back in control of the fight.

It is also the degree of the fight that makes it manly or not. If it is just a trash talking dsagreement or something along those lines then fight fair atleast. But if it is like you walked in on them with your GF/ wife, then I see it as no mercy on the other anything goes.

If I know I will win, I will fight fair but if the guy is a 200 lbs body builder ( i weigh 130 lbs) attacks me and I am getting mauled I have no problem picking up a steal pipe and trying to get an advantage. Call me a pussy or whatever you want but when it comes down to it I will fight dirty if I fear for my own safety and well being.

A situation I am speaking of above ^^^ is. Say you get into a fight with someone and they get their big ass friend to come jump you and take care of the situation for them. In this case I will fight dirty without looking back. Otherwise if you started it with someone that could completely tear your ass to peices then you deserve it. I feel it is ok to do in a fight if you are in this situation because the other person already took a cheap shot at you by sending his friend to take care of you. Thus making it ok to fight back taking cheap shots because the other person took one at you first.

It would be like getting into a fight and the other person picks up a large steel rod and then you pull a piece. It is okay because they decided to try and take a cheap shot at you so then fighting fair is out the window.

[disrupt]

guns and knives in a fist fight are a bitch way out. growing up in serbia i learned a few things that help with respect to self preservation. one was to know when the fuck to keep my mouth shut and take it(cause there's people you just don't fuck with) and when to stand ground and fight regardless of odds, and that in a situation where you're losing a fight you should just take the beating and move on.

personally i'd rather get my ass handed to me than take out a gun or knife(given that it's not a life or death situation). life's a bitch, and theres no way in fucking hell you're going to win every fight you start, and pulling out a gun or knife in a fistfight(keyword) to prevent losing is such an insecure egotripping bitch move that it's ridiculous. there's always exceptions though, like i've been to huge soccer brawls where 8 dudes were charging straight at me and i've reached for the nearest pipe or brick(not gun/knife though), because losing a 1v1 fistfight is one thing, getting knocked on the ground and kicked unconscious by 8 or more 6"+ 190lb+ monsters is another(i.e. one involves a sore jaw and some bruises, the other involves cracked ribs, multiple stitches, a concussion, and pissing blood for an upwards of two weeks).

since moving to the u.s. i've had so many shallow threats, just in the last year i've been in two situations where it's been me staring down a group of guys(one time it was 7, the other time it was well over 9, i didn't take the time to count), and i could just see the knives hanging from their belts and bulging in their jean pockets. did they pull them? no, in neither situation, and neither situation ended in a fight. it's fucking ridiculous, 5'4 chihuahua syndrome middle of fucking suburbia spoiled upper middle class highschool douchebags walking around with huge hunting knives. the fuck you doing, gutting racoons? god what the fuck possible reason do you have walking around with a knife when your night consists of hopping into your mom's x5 and going to zaxbys, followed by drinking natty ice in your friend's appartment with 4 other dudes you've known since middle school? pulling a weapon for intimidation purposes is ridiculous, cause if you pull it and don't scare whoever you're fighting, you're completely fucked.

[Nomad!]

I'm with Lucky SC & Ruiner.

With my light hearted attitude & happy-go-luck disposition, many people have mistaken my kindness for weakness. I've gotten into several situations where someone felt the need to "punk out the funny guy". I don't really argue with people so the verbal confrontations I've been in were greatly one sided. I usually laugh & try to walk away. The way I see it, if you're really going to "kick my ass" you wouldn't have time for words. As long as those words are spoken at a safe distance, you're of no concern to me. If you feel the need to "punk me out" by walking up on me, you will get "touched". I guess I'm a little old school because I prefer hand-to-hand combat. I've seen people pull guns in situations that Lucky SC is talking about & feel its a total bitch move.

I also carry. Most people don't know that I'm often armed because I don't flash & I don't talk about it. You never know when you may be presented with a much more serious threat than the motor mouth show boat. Self preservation is key & if I have to pull my gun to ensure that, so be it. Fortunately I've only been in one situation where it was necessary for me to pull my gun & I honestly feel that if I weren't armed I could have been seriously injured, or worse. You just never know what the person confronting is going to do so...it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it!

We should start a Fight Club & have meets at a gun range

[Hundo®]

I was noticing something on IA, in real life, tv, media, w/e... point being that this is all over the place. Not to mention a jealous ex boyfriend of a girl i've dated who threatened to knife me lol... the memory brought this on.

I hear people get in fights all the time and some of the time it results in one person threatening the other person with a knife or gun or something and there is a small chance that they might actually be carrying one or the other...

Besides the empty threats like "i'm gonna cut you" or "i'll shoot you" that go around as a joke, does anyone else think it is pussy when someone in a fight pulls out a gun or something when clearly the other person is going to lose now just so they can gain an unfair advantage?

I'm not a big guy, but i don't go around making physical threats over stupid things. IMO i think that if you are going to challenge someone to a fight that you should do it fairly hand to hand.

Another thing, ganging up on someone seems pretty gay to me as well

agree?
disagree?

discuss please, i'm curious to hear what others think

biggest vagina move ever, take your beating like a man if you cant fight don run your FUCKING mouth. it's pretty simple. Life is easy if you know your limits.

[Jaimecbr900]

A lot of people have no business owning ANY weapon at all...bats, knives, ax handles, guns.....NOTHING.

I said this in another thread, but I'll repeat it again.

In this day and age where young people see on TV and movies that manliness is equal to how quick you can draw your weapon out and shoot someone REGARDLESS of the situation, it is imperative that people be PREPARED for that immature reaction.

Any little wannabe who is trying to impress his little buddies is going to try and do something stupid to show off. It's been the same for millenia. Difference is that back in the day, we may have shoplifted some candy or rolled someone's house or hell even picked a fight just to show off how "manly" and "tough" we were. Fist fights were fist fights. I had a black eye ONCE. I had never lost a fight until then, so I figured I would never lose one. Well I did. I was taking up for my little brother when a much older boy pushed him and he whupped my ass. End of story. I learned a lesson.

Today, you have to assume that all these little thug wannabes are carrying some type of weapon all the time. You know why? Because they can't fist fight. They can't handle situations they get themselves into. They feel that whatever they have hidden away in their pocket is gonna be their equalizer. This is how young people get themselves into such DEEP situations. They think that their little "gat" is gonna be able to get them OUT of anything. WRONG!!!! Especially if you run up on someone that has you 10X's by maturity and 20X's by experience.

I understand what SC is trying to say. I hate people that jump into somebody else's fight or take cheap shots when someone's not looking. That's gay. I agree. But the problem with all of this is simple:

Today, society's mindset is totally different. Every little pencil dick has a gun that they're just itching to use because their ego needs to be stroked by their butt buddies. So if you're not prepared for that little pencil dick, then you should keep your mouth shut and not write checks your booty can't cash. Simple.

I'm with Ruiner. I used to fight all the damn time. I have a very short fuse. It's probably that Napoleonic complex thing...... , but I just don't think it's all that important anymore. There are far more important things to deal with than weather or not I prove that I can smash your face in. Now, if you corner me......that's a different ball of wax.

[Brady]

i hear people get in fights when they claim they won the lottery.

[WWJDrift]

no that is not the point at all for the 2nd time

i wish you would stop warping this thread and being condescending.

i wouldn't hesitate to carry around a gun either
or use it if i had to in defense.

But things like jumping someone, cheap shots, kicking someone while their down just so you can win is what im asking you. Forget the fact about whether fighting is right or not, this is a situation that you have to go through with in this scenario.

Call me old fashioned but if i had to fight someone i would rather do it honrably and lose rather then rely on cheap tactics. If the other guy pulls something out on me first though, then by all means, its open game

[Ran]

1) If you don't take the upper hand, then the other guy will.

2) Fight to win, not to be fair.

3) The end justifies the means.

/thread