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02-21-2007, 02:37 PM
EvasiveEF9

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Originally Posted by DropTopDrifter

still not a "drift" ...ass dragging. I've said it before and i'll say it again. The day a FF car can slide a increasing radius turn while GAINING speed and keeping angle, is the day FF can drift... but because its physically impossable, it will never happen. Yes, you can trail brake a FF car, yes you can lift throttle oversteer a FF car, yes those are ways to start a drift, but its still not drifting.

But since its not about drifting , just how much FF is a disadvantage, i'll continue.....

Face it, FF cars are in denial that they just aren't as good as RWD.

Whats the most expensive FF car ever offered.. and i dont mean any tuner car, i mean a stock,from the factory, car. Now look at RWD cars, even more proof that rwd is better....

Good call..never looked at it that way.

I still love my FF. Handles nicely in the mountains. It's not a point and shoot car...you just push the gas and then turn wherever you wanna go. I'll agree a FF can't drive, but I still think they HANDLE better than FR or MR. AWD, obviously, takes it home across the board. Except...reliability and power-loss through drivetrain are its downfalls...in my opinioin. They are getting better with reliability, though.
02-21-2007, 02:47 PM
Doppelgänger

ahhhh AWD does not increase a cars ability to make higher lateral G numbers, it makes a car more stable. Sport Compact Car did a test of FF vs FR vs AWD years ago with stock platforms as well as highly tuned versions on wet and dry. Test included skidpad, dry pavement launching, wet pavement launching and a road course. In the end AWD only had better numbers on wet pavement drag launches over the other cars. I wish i had the article around somewhere.
02-21-2007, 02:48 PM
EvasiveEF9

PS - For the record, I've driven most combinations possible. Have not owned all of these, so don't think my mommy and daddy fund my wrecked cars...I've not destroyed anything...

1994 Dodge Caravan (that's what I learned in!)
1996 Dodge Ram 1500 2wd, ext cab, short bed
2004 BMW 325ci
1991 Honda Civic (currently own/DD)
1993 Acura Integra (about to start building)
1962 Plymouth Belvedere (You'll see her at the strip late this summer if all goes as planned)
1972 VW Sandrail (about to begin restoration for the street...used to be driven frequently)
2001 Passat AWD V6 wagon
1987 Jeep Wrangler

And no...I don't mean I drove it once around the block...I've had the opportunity to drive all of these for at least a month's time...

I've not been in an AWD car, though...
02-21-2007, 02:50 PM
EvasiveEF9

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Originally Posted by DropTopDrifter

ahhhh AWD does not increase a cars ability to make higher lateral G numbers, it makes a car more stable. Sport Compact Car did a test of FF vs FR vs AWD years ago with stock platforms as well as highly tuned versions on wet and dry. Test included skidpad, dry pavement launching, wet pavement launching and a road course. In the end AWD only had better numbers on wet pavement drag launches over the other cars. I wish i had the article around somewhere.

Would be nice to see...I could DEFINITLY see the AWD taking crown for launches, and out-of-the-hole...basically, coming out of a turn wide open. Basically anywhere that you need all the power quick and getting hte car to straighten up to run.
02-21-2007, 02:53 PM
Psycho

Didn't honda use to have an awd accord?
02-21-2007, 02:55 PM
Psycho

Quote:

Originally Posted by DropTopDrifter

ahhhh AWD does not increase a cars ability to make higher lateral G numbers, it makes a car more stable. Sport Compact Car did a test of FF vs FR vs AWD years ago with stock platforms as well as highly tuned versions on wet and dry. Test included skidpad, dry pavement launching, wet pavement launching and a road course. In the end AWD only had better numbers on wet pavement drag launches over the other cars. I wish i had the article around somewhere.

If they tested a mid-engine RWD platform, it would have excelled in all aspects of the comparison.
02-21-2007, 02:58 PM
SampaGuy

^yup

mr > fr > awd > ff
02-21-2007, 03:00 PM
Doppelgänger

rear-engine awd > everything else at launching !!!!!!!!!!

RR> everything else
02-21-2007, 03:02 PM
EvasiveEF9

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Originally Posted by DropTopDrifter

RR> everything else

Agreed...according to SO many tests...
02-21-2007, 03:03 PM
EvasiveEF9

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Originally Posted by Psycho

Didn't honda use to have an awd accord?

I dont' know about the accord, but I know they had an AWD civic and there were so many problems they cancelled the project after just a few years...like...what, 2? I think there was also an AWD prelude; I think it was the same one that was AW-Steering
02-21-2007, 03:08 PM
DaX

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Originally Posted by EvasiveEF9

I dont' know about the accord, but I know they had an AWD civic and there were so many problems they cancelled the project after just a few years...like...what, 2? I think there was also an AWD prelude; I think it was the same one that was AW-Steering

Yep, the Civic Wagovan RT - a cool video of one HERE.
02-21-2007, 03:13 PM
EvasiveEF9

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Originally Posted by DaX

Yep, the Civic Wagovan RT - a cool video of one HERE.

...suddenly I want one...

LoL

See? Even honda tried to get in the game of AWD...
02-21-2007, 03:14 PM
DaX

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Originally Posted by EvasiveEF9

...suddenly I want one...

LoL

See? Even honda tried to get in the game of AWD...

They're very hard to find. I was desperately after one (wanted to stay with an EF), but ended up settling for the Beat. Oh well. :rolleyes:
02-21-2007, 03:20 PM
Psycho

Is it possible to put that awd system into a new civic?
02-21-2007, 03:27 PM
DaX

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Originally Posted by Psycho

Is it possible to put that awd system into a new civic?

I've never seen it done, so I'd probably guess that it is possible, but not a bolt in affair. Honda-Tuning magazine did an Integra with a CRV drivetrain one time. TONS of fab work though.
02-21-2007, 05:05 PM
BKgen®

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Originally Posted by Psycho

Is it possible to put that awd system into a new civic?

i've seen an awd 4g63 from an evo in a tiburon, so anything is possible.
02-21-2007, 05:28 PM
koukis14

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Originally Posted by KDM guy

i've seen an awd 4g63 from an evo in a tiburon, so anything is possible.

WOW that is kinda gay but I would like to see it.
02-21-2007, 06:21 PM
NUGZ

fwd cant drift thats why i have 3 cars fwd,rwd,4wd :lmfao:
02-21-2007, 06:23 PM
The Green Monster

there's one of them awd civic wagon things at GT...i wanted to buy it but had no idea who owned it...i remember seeing a video a couple years back on Supraforums of one actually getting the front wheels off the ground by like 4 inches
02-21-2007, 06:27 PM
Psycho

Those electric ATV Power Wheels at Wallmart can drift like a beast. A friend and I once had a 10 min. long hot persuit, with wallmart security, on those things.
02-21-2007, 11:25 PM
C.K

I just drive my car everywhere in reverse. Boost comes in like crazy in reverse. :goodjob:
02-21-2007, 11:52 PM
BKgen®

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Originally Posted by koukis14

WOW that is kinda gay but I would like to see it.

i'll see if i can find it, but have you seen the old 2nd gen tiburon that had 2 engines mounted in the front & rear?
02-21-2007, 11:57 PM
efman

well whenever i can afford a rwd car i'll bring this thread back from the dead
02-22-2007, 12:20 AM
BKgen®

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Originally Posted by KDM guy

i'll see if i can find it, but have you seen the old 2nd gen tiburon that had 2 engines mounted in the front & rear?

http://thumbs.vidiac.com/4273818b-cf...223cefa020.jpg Click here to see Video

runs 10's (just barely), but check out the crazy burnout at the end.
02-22-2007, 12:21 AM
Leadfoot_mf

So the little 16 yo noob bitch JoeyKazez neg repped me for this thread and left this comment "sucka mah egg"
the little pussy couldn't even post is this thread

dude you are a fag. stay out of grown up threads in 10 years when if you grow up come back and try again you little douche.
02-22-2007, 12:25 AM
Hulud

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Originally Posted by Leadfoot_mf

So the little 16 yo noob bitch JoeyKazez neg repped me for this thread and left this comment "sucka mah egg"
the little pussy couldn't even post is this thread

dude you are a fag. stay out of grown up threads in 10 years when if you grow up come back and try again you little douche.

:lmao:

whatta tool
02-22-2007, 12:26 AM
BKgen®

everybody neg rep him. :goodjob:
02-22-2007, 12:28 AM
Hulud

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Originally Posted by KDM guy

everybody neg rep him. :goodjob:

http://forums.importatlanta.com/show...91&postcount=1

heres a link + to whoever shows proof of neg
02-22-2007, 12:30 AM
Leadfoot_mf

how do you show proof i just neg rep him lets see if we can get him in the red by morning. haha
02-22-2007, 12:32 AM
Hulud

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Originally Posted by Leadfoot_mf

how do you show proof i just neg rep him lets see if we can get him in the red by morning. haha

damnit tim

stop being a debbie downer

you use print screen on the feedback page (when you leave feedback)
02-22-2007, 12:33 AM
BKgen®

http://premium1.uploadit.org/brandonp47//negrep1.jpg
02-22-2007, 12:33 AM
Hulud

exactly what KDM did
02-22-2007, 12:34 AM
Hulud

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to KDM guy again.

do you take IOU's?
02-22-2007, 12:34 AM
Leadfoot_mf

blah debbie downer i can rep u anymore i rep u too much must spread the love.
02-22-2007, 12:35 AM
Leadfoot_mf

i already repped him on the + side lol
02-22-2007, 12:35 AM
BKgen®

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Originally Posted by Hulud

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to KDM guy again.

do you take IOU's?

lol sure. i don't keep up with rep anyway.
02-22-2007, 12:43 AM
Hulud

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Originally Posted by Leadfoot_mf

i already repped him on the + side lol

you + repped him? LAME! lol
02-22-2007, 12:46 AM
SKUNK2GUY

i just love how tdt is hating on fwd and he has an s2k which is a honda the king of fwd! hmmmmm i remeber seeing an 8 second non sponsered ek!!! rwd ftmfl!!!!
02-22-2007, 12:58 AM
Leadfoot_mf

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Originally Posted by Hulud

you + repped him? LAME! lol

kdm not the fag joey
02-22-2007, 01:00 AM
ShooterMcGavin

so how'd this turn from a fwd=ftl thread to a let's all neg rep joeykokz? :thinking:

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