NAME ONE THING OBAMA HAS DONE RIGHT... WITH FACTS AND STATISTICS.

[AFSil80]

I agree on almost all of that, except that the original question was looking for one thing that he as done - it didn't say it had to be 100% perfect. I have a friend who came home from Iraq, couldn't find a job to support his family, and the US paid for him to go to school on the GI Bill. He now has a job, supports his family, and pays his taxes. Would you say that increasing funding for him was a bad thing?

You're talking to someone who currently collects GI Bill benefits.

The reason he had to increase the budget for the GI Bill was because more soldiers, sailors, Marines and airmen were leaving the service, and began putting in the paperwork to collect their benefits. I first applied for my benefits for the Summer 2009 semester. I didn't receive any of my benefits for another 6 months, and the only reason we got that was because we (Student Veterans of America) had to write our Congressman and get special approval for funding. Luckily our school recognized the issue and didn't cancel our classes, and even so, the money we DID get was an advance, not our actual money. THAT funding didn't even come until Spring 2010, and then we had to pay back the money that was advanced to us

So yeah, I know ALL about the VA, and I'm telling you...the VA is a bunch of crooked individuals that depend on us veterans for a job, yet they make it increasingly difficult to collect what is owed to us according to the contract we signed when we swore an oath to defend this country.

And yet they try to get away with shit like this...

VA record destruction scandal grows | The Daily Caller

I'll say it again...this President does not care about fiscal accountability since he does not care about the average American. He would much rather throw money at a situation in a fruitless attempt to solve it. But, I'm glad to see that SOME members of Congress still listen.

Congress Is Getting Tougher on the VA - WSJ.com

[Vteckidd]

What about Iraq? because most of the deaths were in Iraq, not Afghanistan. This makes sense because bush wanted to clean out Iraq first.

Obama did the opposite

[Echonova]

I can name one thing Obama has done right...

























































He was a successful thread topic on Importatlanta!!!!

[AFSil80]

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Nobody else posts enough for me to do that.

[Echonova]

Donald Rumsfeld says a 'trained ape' would be better than Obama | Mail Online

[Vteckidd]

AWESOME

Compare the first sitting black president to a "trained ape" and portray him as inferior......


release the race pimps

Donald Rumsfeld says a 'trained ape' would be better than Obama | Mail Online

[geoff]

Ok, I really do not support this President nor his agenda. But, i do give credit when it is due. One thing the President did that was good...the HARP program for borrowers who are underwater. Under his administration, this program was put in place to help homeowners refinance. How do I know? I sell mortgages, it is my business to know.

[BanginJimmy]

Ok, I really do not support this President nor his agenda. But, i do give credit when it is due. One thing the President did that was good...the HARP program for borrowers who are underwater. Under his administration, this program was put in place to help homeowners refinance. How do I know? I sell mortgages, it is my business to know.

HARP was a decent program, but it didnt actually change anything, it just put on a bandaid. For some, that bandaid was enough to get them through. For others, it was a bandaid on a sucking chest wound.

[geoff]

HARP was a decent program, but it didnt actually change anything, it just put on a band aid. For some, that bandaid was enough to get them through. For others, it was a bandaid on a sucking chest wound.

I know first hand that HARP saved a lot of people a great deal on their monthly payments. I don't see it as a band aid, it was more like a small reparation to homeowners who despite the economic recession maintained good standing on their mortgages. Think about it, the banks screw a bunch of people over ( specifically with ARMS ) and then the markets crash. Home values plummet therefore putting a lot of people out of the market to refinance. They were stuck in high interest rates and were told by the big banks that there was nothing that could be done due to the home being underwater...nice scheme no? These people were trapped in crazy loans while historically low rates in the 2's & 3's were being sold left and right. Hate the guy and disagree with just about everything that he stands for...but he did save a lot of people from losing their homes. They are actually in the works now for expanding the eligibility of the program for borrowers that had loans not owned by Fannie or Freddie.

[BanginJimmy]

I know first hand that HARP saved a lot of people a great deal on their monthly payments. I don't see it as a band aid, it was more like a small reparation to homeowners who despite the economic recession maintained good standing on their mortgages. Think about it, the banks screw a bunch of people over ( specifically with ARMS ) and then the markets crash. Home values plummet therefore putting a lot of people out of the market to refinance. They were stuck in high interest rates and were told by the big banks that there was nothing that could be done due to the home being underwater...nice scheme no? These people were trapped in crazy loans while historically low rates in the 2's & 3's were being sold left and right.

What part of this was NOT the fault of people buying homes they couldnt actually afford?

Some call it predatory lending, I call it stupid people not reading what they are signing.


I call it a bandaid for the simple fact that nothing was done to prevent it from happening again. ARMs are still out there even though interest rates are already rising. The govt is still pushing banks to write loans for people that wont pay them back, the Fannie and Freddie are buying them up. Until the govt steps in and prevent these types of loans (ARMs, interest only ect) and stops encouraging their use by backing them through the GSE's we are just asking for a fresh round of economic failure.

[geoff]

What part of this was NOT the fault of people buying homes they couldnt actually afford?

Some call it predatory lending, I call it stupid people not reading what they are signing.


I call it a bandaid for the simple fact that nothing was done to prevent it from happening again. ARMs are still out there even though interest rates are already rising. The govt is still pushing banks to write loans for people that wont pay them back, the Fannie and Freddie are buying them up. Until the govt steps in and prevent these types of loans (ARMs, interest only ect) and stops encouraging their use by backing them through the GSE's we are just asking for a fresh round of economic failure.

I find it odd that I would even debate someone on the "good" that Obama has done lol. That being said, when is the last time you actually applied for a mortgage? I deny people on a daily...yes daily basis. The idea behind an ARM, Interest Only, ect...is not in itself a "bad idea" or "predatory" in any way. If i have a borrower looking to purchase a home but flip it in the next 2-5 years...why would he/she not want an ARM/Interest only loan? Let's call it what it really is...the 90's and 00's were an era of "free money". Sure the lobbyists pushed regulation changes...but EVERYBODY was on board. The people all wanted a piece of the "American Dream" and everybody else wanted a piece of the pie. There was money to be made...great deals of money. I hear the stories from loan officers all the time. They made a killing. The true problem was that they were giving away money...100% financing with 80/20 loans, stated income/assets, ect...Yeah the big banks screwed everyone...and better yet...after the bailout and after the "recovery" the banks still denied people the ability to refinance since there was no equity in the home...enter Obama and the HARP program. No matter which way you try to swing it...it was a good thing he did.

It is not a bandaid. If you are not currently selling mortgages or in the business...then you don't know what you are talking about. Underwriting guidelines are extremely strict and there are MANY in place that are there to avoid another bubble like the last one. I could write books about all the measures put into place to avoid it.

[Sinfix_15]

PTFA S.896


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But for every thing Obama did right, he did 1000 things wrong and hes still a worthless shit bag.

[AFSil80]

^ Read the book "Greedy Bastards" by Dylan Ratigan. He breaks it down to a very simple explanation to where basically the banks lobbied to Congress to let them insure their own mortgage loans, which removed all incentive of them caring if the mortgage was paid, b.c they would collect no matter what.

And then began the sub-prime mortgage rates that caused that particular bubble.

Oh yeah, and then they got bailed out on top of it.

[BanginJimmy]

^ Read the book "Greedy Bastards" by Dylan Ratigan. He breaks it down to a very simple explanation to where basically the banks lobbied to Congress to let them insure their own mortgage loans, which removed all incentive of them caring if the mortgage was paid, b.c they would collect no matter what.

And then began the sub-prime mortgage rates that caused that particular bubble.

Oh yeah, and then they got bailed out on top of it.

Who cares who lobbied for it in the first place. It caused the bubble, and wrecked havoc on our economy for the next probably decade before it recovers. What matters is that nothing Obama has done has done anything to curb a new round of it.

[AFSil80]

The book is more than just a history lesson.

It offers insight into the corruption that plagues our current political system.

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[AnthonyF]

NOT A FUCKING THING!!! 2016 cannot get here any sooner.

[Sinfix_15]

NOT A FUCKING THING!!! 2016 cannot get here any sooner.

Careful what you wish for.... 2016 will be here soon and we'll have to listen to blank say if you dont vote for hillary its because youre a chauvinist

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NOT A FUCKING THING!!! 2016 cannot get here any sooner.

Dumbest post in the thread didn't come from Sinfix this time. Fucking shocker.

[Echonova]

Obama did his "Mission Accomplished" speech today. Not that he'll ever to be held accountable.


7.1 million. Bwhaahhahahahahahaha

[Browning151]

Obama did his "Mission Accomplished" speech today. Not that he'll ever to be held accountable.


7.1 million. Bwhaahhahahahahahaha

Magic. Funny how they couldn't produce numbers for months and then suddenly as the deadline arrives they have up to the minute numbers.

How many of those people have A) actually paid for coverage and B) were previously uninsured, cause that's what 0care was all about right? Helping all those uninsured folk get covered? Oh, and by uninsured I mean actually uninsured not "let's count the people who's plan was cancelled because of 0care and then signed up as people who were uninsured."

[Vteckidd]

Magic. Funny how they couldn't produce numbers for months and then suddenly as the deadline arrives they have up to the minute numbers.

How many of those people have A) actually paid for coverage and B) were previously uninsured, cause that's what 0care was all about right? Helping all those uninsured folk get covered? Oh, and by uninsured I mean actually uninsured not "let's count the people who's plan was cancelled because of 0care and then signed up as people who were uninsured."

Written by the OBAMA LOVING Washington Post

Health policy experts said that the long-term significance of the high enrollment numbers for this first year of insurance will take time to clarify. “There is still a lot of haze around this,” said Jonathan Oberlander, a professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill who studies health-care politics.

Oberlander and others noted that the number of people who have gotten coverage varies significantly by state. In addition, uncertainty lingers about how many people who have signed up have actually begun to pay for their new health plans, how many will continue to pay for them, and how many of the enrollees had no insurance before.

RIGHT LEANING THE BLAZE

As the White House and news headlines celebrate Obamacare “enrollment” hitting the 7 million mark, a secretive study from the RAND Corporation reportedly suggests as few as 858,000 previously insured Americans have actually paid for their new policies.

President Barack Obama announced an “enrollment” total of 7,041,000 on Tuesday during a press conference, heralding it as proof that the Affordable Care Act is successful and here to stay.

The White House has not provided answers to key questions about the numbers, including how many enrollees were previously insured, how many Americans have actually paid their first month’s premium or how many Americans have seen their costs increase.

Then this
White House says 7 MILLION Obamacare enrollments, but study shows 858,000 | Mail Online

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Dumbfuck

Hey everyone! Sinfix just called me a Dumbfuck and is slowly chipping away at my reputation points! Look how smart he is!

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Sinfix_15]

Hey everyone! Sinfix just called me a Dumbfuck and is slowly chipping away at my reputation points! Look how smart he is!

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I neg you when you deserve to be negged. Its not rocket science.

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That was a serious hit to my Internet bravado though.

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I'm just pissed of I can't pay more or get dropped altogether because I have a pre-existing condition. Thanks Obama.

Let's vote Obama out in 2016 so we can repeal obummercare and I can pay more again. I'm just tired of having insurance.

[Echonova]

I'm just pissed of I can't pay more or get dropped altogether because I have a pre-existing condition. Thanks Obama.

Let's vote Obama out in 2016 so we can repeal obummercare and I can pay more again. I'm just tired of having insurance.

All I know is, insurance is a civil right, not a privilege.

[Echonova]

Also "can't pay more"... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOL

I couldn't, yet still had to.


Give it a few more years, you'll catch up with me. I've been on Obamacare for four years

[BanginJimmy]

I'm just pissed of I can't pay more or get dropped altogether because I have a pre-existing condition. Thanks Obama.

Let's vote Obama out in 2016 so we can repeal obummercare and I can pay more again. I'm just tired of having insurance.

So much win in this single post I just dont know where to begin.

1. Insurance to cover a pre-existing condition isnt insurance, its sticking someone else with the bills.

2. Repeal Obamacare? Why bother? Just exempt everyone from it through executive order. No reason to bother Congress with something so trivial.

3. A lot of people really liked their insurance until Obamacare came around. 60y/o women with an hysterectomy really appreciate having access to prenatal care now though.


Lets be real though. Obamacare has several conditions that really needed to be addressed. The problem is that they pretty much ignore most of those points and instead center their arguments on lies. No one in their right mind (even you Blank) EVER thought Obamacare would reduce costs or even slow the rise in costs. How do I know this? because there is absolutely nothing in the bill that would do that.

Instead of focusing on the small details lets look at the big picture, the cost of health insurance to the consumer. I cant think of a single reason Obamacare would bring down the retail cost. I can think of 1 MAJOR reason for the cost of health care to rise though. Insurers want to see profits at a certain level. Because of the floor on the amount spent on actual health care, insurers will not be able to keep their present margins. To keep profits where they want with a smaller margin simply means raising the cost of doing business. For example, insurer currently profits 25% of your $200 premium, or $50. Now they have to lower that amount to 20% of your premium. What makes more sense for a business? Lowering their overall profits, or adjusting prices to get to their target profit? So, instead of paying $200 a month in premiums, insurers are making the exact same amount of money with the lower margin by simply jacking up the rates to $250 a month.

[Vteckidd]

So much win in this single post I just dont know where to begin.

1. Insurance to cover a pre-existing condition isnt insurance, its sticking someone else with the bills.

2. Repeal Obamacare? Why bother? Just exempt everyone from it through executive order. No reason to bother Congress with something so trivial.

3. A lot of people really liked their insurance until Obamacare came around. 60y/o women with an hysterectomy really appreciate having access to prenatal care now though.


Lets be real though. Obamacare has several conditions that really needed to be addressed. The problem is that they pretty much ignore most of those points and instead center their arguments on lies. No one in their right mind (even you Blank) EVER thought Obamacare would reduce costs or even slow the rise in costs. How do I know this? because there is absolutely nothing in the bill that would do that.

Instead of focusing on the small details lets look at the big picture, the cost of health insurance to the consumer. I cant think of a single reason Obamacare would bring down the retail cost. I can think of 1 MAJOR reason for the cost of health care to rise though. Insurers want to see profits at a certain level. Because of the floor on the amount spent on actual health care, insurers will not be able to keep their present margins. To keep profits where they want with a smaller margin simply means raising the cost of doing business. For example, insurer currently profits 25% of your $200 premium, or $50. Now they have to lower that amount to 20% of your premium. What makes more sense for a business? Lowering their overall profits, or adjusting prices to get to their target profit? So, instead of paying $200 a month in premiums, insurers are making the exact same amount of money with the lower margin by simply jacking up the rates to $250 a month.

Ive said this for 5 years, healthcare i a FOR PROFIT system. Blank doesnt understand this, the left doesnt understand this, you are making sense, they dont understand that either.

NOPE PREMIUMS ARE FALLING
Premiums rising faster than eight years before Obamacare | The Daily Caller
49-State Analysis: Obamacare To Increase Individual-Market Premiums By Average Of 41% - Forbes

EVEN FUCKING SEBELIUS IS SAYING IT
Premiums will rise in 2015, says Sebelius | TheHill

Premiums will rise in 2015 under ObamaCare, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said on Wednesday.

“I think premiums are likely to go up, but go up at a smaller pace than what we’ve seen since 2010,” Sebelius said in response to a question from Rep. Erik Paulsen (R-Minn.).

Blank never showed is so called "premiums are down" because its not true, or, hes getting a subsidy because he doesnt make enough money. People that are getting insurance because "they cant afford it" are getting it because of the subsidy which is a dirty word for OTHER PEOPLES TAX MONEY.

They havent solved anything, they have made it worse, the old system was FAR better. If you wanted insurance you got it, you went out and paid for it. and it was CHEAPER.

NOW, you MUST have insruance, it COSTS MORE, and if you cant afford it you get FINED if you dont purchase it

[Vteckidd]

I'm just pissed of I can't pay more or get dropped altogether because I have a pre-existing condition. Thanks Obama.

Let's vote Obama out in 2016 so we can repeal obummercare and I can pay more again. I'm just tired of having insurance.

2 things patently wrong with your statement, and im sure you know this.

1) Premiums have risen, not fallen, this is not even a debate.

2) People who didnt have insurance, still dont, because they dont need to pay for it. Obama quoted 40 million without insurance, to date, 7 million have "SIGNED UP" which really means they made a login, it doesnt mean they PURCHASED insurance. The real numbers are estimated to be less than 3 million.

3/40 million covered, have continually not met their own imposed quotas, premiums rising.

Welcome to Obamacare. Everything it was designed to do, its not (its not controlling cost and its not increasing access)

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2 things patently wrong with your statement, and im sure you know this.

1) Premiums have risen, not fallen, this is not even a debate.

Has nothing to do with my statement, and may be true for some people. Not all cases are the same. You don't have to "debate it" if you don't want to. Lol

Welcome to Obamacare. Everything it was designed to do, its not (its not controlling cost and its not increasing access)

Sounds like you, like a lot of others may be unclear on what ACA was designed to do. And it most assuredly has increased access. Thats undebatable.

Guess that makes 0 things patently wrong with my statement.

[Vteckidd]

Has nothing to do with my statement, and may be true for some people. Not all cases are the same. You don't have to "debate it" if you don't want to. Lol

This is just laughable, you act like if you surveyed 100 people and 1 person says "my premiums lowered" he becomes the poster child for dismissing all other 99 people. its just dumb. Its not even worth arguing.

The facts are pretty clear , i posted several articles, premiums are rising, not lowering. Obama specifcally promised premiums would lower. They arent. Not even close

Sounds like you, like a lot of others may be unclear on what ACA was designed to do. And it most assuredly has increased access. Thats undebatable.

Guess that makes 0 things patently wrong with my statement.

Troll post

6 million cancellations=Increased access, only in a liberals world.

[ISAtlanta300]

I'm just pissed of I can't pay more or get dropped altogether because I have a pre-existing condition. Thanks Obama.

Let's vote Obama out in 2016 so we can repeal obummercare and I can pay more again. I'm just tired of having insurance.

Yes, instead let's just force the entire country to pay more for your pre-existing condition while slapping me with shit I don't need, like maternity and newborn care; mental health and substance use disorder services

Thanks, Obama!

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Yes, instead let's just force the entire country to pay more for your pre-existing condition while slapping me with shit I don't need, like maternity and newborn care; mental health and substance use disorder services

Thanks, Obama!

I hear ya man

We had a good thing going with all that free health care. Up until Obama, when someone came into an ER and couldn't afford the care the hospitals were federally mandated to provide to patients by my hero Pres Reagan, it was just miracled into being free. All the work and time the doctors put in to treating people? Free. All the test and diagnostics? No charge....Medications? Supply-side Jesus paid for it.

Does Obama think he is God or something???

[Vteckidd]

I hear ya man

We had a good thing going with all that free health care. Up until Obama, when someone came into an ER and couldn't afford the care the hospitals were federally mandated to provide to patients by my hero Pres Reagan, it was just miracled into being free. All the work and time the doctors put in to treating people? Free. All the test and diagnostics? No charge....Medications? Supply-side Jesus paid for it.

Does Obama think he is God or something???

Whats changed?

People arent signing up for the ACA like Obama thought, because theres no benefit to do it.

If the ACA is so great, why does OBama keep delaying the mandates for coverage? WE NEED COVERAGE, then delays the mandate lol cant explain that.

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6 million cancellations=Increased access, only in a liberals world.

Comparing "cancellations" to access. Only in a "conservatives" world. Fail post.

Whats changed?

People arent signing up for the ACA like Obama thought, because theres no benefit to do it.

If the ACA is so great, why does OBama keep delaying the mandates for coverage? WE NEED COVERAGE, then delays the mandate lol cant explain that.

Tide comes in, tide goes out, can't explain that lol.

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I neg you when you deserve to be negged. Its not rocket science.

You're a real hero. A patriot bro if you will.

[Sinfix_15]

You're a real hero. A patriot bro if you will.

Are we having a moment? We should bro hug or something.

[Vteckidd]

So cancelations= more access now lolol