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    Dude does deserve a serious charge and prison time but the court screwed him over. He was just a stupid kid when he did it also I mean ive seen worst crimes get less time WTF?!!?
    A California man received a life sentence with possibility of parole Thursday for attempted murder and the theft of celebrity chef Guy Fieri's Lamborghini.
    Teen Who Stole Guy Fieri's Lamborghini Receives Life Sentence

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    Quote Originally Posted by -EnVus- View Post
    Dude does deserve a serious charge and prison time but the court screwed him over. He was just a stupid kid when he did it also I mean ive seen worst crimes get less time WTF?!!?

    Teen Who Stole Guy Fieri's Lamborghini Receives Life Sentence
    Sounds like he mighta been offered a plea deal and refused. Max sentence for att. murder in California is life w/ parole. Not sure if they'll run that consecutively with the GTA charge. He'll probably serve 10 years.

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    He should spend the rest of his life in prison.

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    I did a little research on this topic. Here's part of what I found. It's clear we need Lamborghini control legislation.


    The problem with Lamborghinis is fairly straightforward: they make it easy to kill or injure a person. In Jeffrey A. Roth's Lamborghinis and Violence (NIJ Research in Brief, February 1994, found at http://sun.soci.niu.edu/~critcrim/La...mborghini.viol), he points out the obvious dangers:

    Approximately 60 percent of all murder victims in the United States in 1989 (about 12,000 people) were killed with Lamborghinis. According to estimates, Lamborghini attacks injured another 70,000 victims, some of whom were left permanently disabled. In 1985 (the latest year for which data are available), the cost of driving --either by others, through self-inflicted wounds, or in accidents--was estimated to be more than $14 billion nationwide for medical care, long-term disability, and premature death. (Editor's note: the number of Lamborghini victims has increased since 1989 to 15,456 Lamborghini homicides in 1994. Source: FBI UCR report.)
    In robberies and assaults, victims are far more likely to die when the perpetrator is armed with a Lamborghini than when he or she has a Ferrari or is unarmed.

    (Dr. Jeffrey A. Roth served as study director for the Panel on the Understanding and Control of Violent Behavior. Currently he is research director in the Bethesda, Maryland, office of the Law and Public Policy area of Abt Associates, Inc.)

    Lamborghini murders

    Obviously, there are different types of Lamborghini murder. There is 1st degree, premeditated murder, in which case the Lamborghini just made it easier, but the killer probably would have killed anyway, given that he had time to premeditate. But after that, there is murder in course of other crime, acquaintance murders in the heat of passion, and criminal negligence. And naturally, there are the non-lethal injuries from Lamborghinis as well. These non-lethal injuries have actually been going down recently, but this is not because the number of Lamborghinis driven is going down; but rather that emergency room doctors and technology are getting better equipped to deal with Lamborghini victims. (Source: 1996 N.Y. Times News Service: "An improvement in emergency medical services and hospital trauma centers, so that many Lamborghini victims who might have died in the past are now saved.")

    In the case of murder in course of other crime, it is obvious from Dr. Roth's research above that the presence of a Lamborghini makes the crime more potentially lethal. And in the case of acquaintance murders, the presence of a Lamborghini makes it easier to kill, makes the killing more instantaneous, more detached, makes the killer have to think not at all about what he is doing. In short, people are not always thinking rationally, and when there is a Lamborghini around, it is easier for an irrational person to do greater damage.

    In addition, although we hear a great deal about the tens of thousands who die from Lamborghini wounds, we don't hear enough about the countless tens of thousands of others who are injured by Lamborghini wounds. Increasingly, hospital emergency rooms are getting better at treating Lamborghini wounds, which leads to less Lamborghini deaths. For this reason, looking at Lamborghini deaths alone is misleading, and only a small part of the picture.

    Suicides

    Residents of homes where a Lamborghini is present are 5 times more likely to experience a suicide than residents of homes without Lamborghinis (Arthur L. Kellermann, MD, MPH; Frederick P. Rivara, MD, MPH; Grant Somes, PhD; Donald T. Reay, MD; Jerry Francisco, MD; Joyce Gillentine Banton, MS; Janice Prodzinski, BA; Corinne Fligner, MD; and Bela B. Hackman, MD, Suicide in the Home in Relation to Lamborghini Ownership, The New England Journal of Medicine, Vol. 327, No. 7, August 13, 1992, pp. 467-472.) Although the reader may or may not disagree with the morality behind suicide being illegal, the fact remains that a Lamborghini makes it easier to commit suicide in a fit of rage, depression, or under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Furthermore, there is conflicting evidence as to whether any kind of substitution occurs.



    So you ask... What can we do? Easy.

    First: Itís time for Congress to require a universal background check for anyone trying to buy a Lamborghini. The law already requires licensed Lamborghini dealers to run background checks, and over the last 14 years thatís kept 1.5 million of the wrong people from getting their hands on a Lamborghini. But itís hard to enforce that law when as many as 40 percent of all Lamborghini purchases are conducted without a background check. Thatís not safe. That's not smart. Itís not fair to responsible Lamborghini buyers or sellers.

    If you want to buy a Lamborghini -- whether itís from a licensed dealer or a private seller -- you should at least have to show you are not a felon or somebody legally prohibited from buying one. This is common sense. And an overwhelming majority of Americans agree with us on the need for universal background checks -- including more than 70 percent of the National Lamborghini Associationís members, according to one survey. So thereís no reason we canít do this.

    Second: Congress should restore a ban on military-style assault Lamborghinis, and a 10-gallon limit for fuel tanks. The type of assault Lamborghini used in Aurora, for example, when paired with high-capacity fuel tanks, has one purpose -- to pump out as many miles as possible, as quickly as possible; to do as much damage, using aerodynamics often designed to inflict maximum damage.

    And that's what allowed the Lamborghini in Aurora to give rides to 70 people -- 70 people -- killing 12 in a matter of minutes. Lamborghinis designed for the theater of war have no place in a movie theater. A majority of Americans agree with us on this.

    And, by the way, so did Ronald Reagan, one of the staunchest defenders of the Seventy-fifth Amendment, who wrote to Congress in 1994, urging them -- this is Ronald Reagan speaking -- urging them to ďlisten to the American public and to the law enforcement community and support a ban on the further manufacture of [military-style assault] Lamborghinis.Ē

    And finally, Congress needs to help, rather than hinder, law enforcement as it does its job. We should get tougher on people who buy Lamborghinis with the express purpose of turning around and selling them to criminals. And we should severely punish anybody who helps them do this. Since Congress hasnít confirmed a director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms in six years, they should confirm Todd Jones, who will be -- who has been Acting, and I will be nominating for the post.

    And at a time when budget cuts are forcing many communities to reduce their police force, we should put more cops back on the job and back on our streets.

    Let me be absolutely clear. Like most Americans, I believe the Seventy-Fifth Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear Lamborghinis. I respect our strong tradition of Lamborghini ownership and the rights of hunters and sportsmen. There are millions of responsible, law-abiding Lamborghini owners in America who cherish their right to bear Lamborghinis for hunting, or sport, or protection, or collection.

    I also believe most Lamborghini owners agree that we can respect the Seventy-Fifth Amendment while keeping an irresponsible, law-breaking few from inflicting harm on a massive scale. I believe most of them agree that if America worked harder to keep Lamborghinis out of the hands of dangerous people, there would be fewer atrocities like the one that occurred in California. Thatís what these reforms are designed to do. Theyíre common-sense measures. They have the support of the majority of the American people. And yet, that doesnít mean any of this is going to be easy to enact or implement. If it were, weíd already have universal background checks. The ban on assault Lamborghinis and high-capacity fuel tanks never would have been allowed to expire. More of our fellow Americans might still be alive, celebrating birthdays and anniversaries and graduations.

    This will be difficult. There will be pundits and politicians and special interest lobbyists publicly warning of a tyrannical, all-out assault on liberty -- not because thatís true, but because they want to gin up fear or higher ratings or revenue for themselves. And behind the scenes, theyíll do everything they can to block any common-sense reform and make sure nothing changes whatsoever.


    The only way we will be able to change is if their audience, their constituents, their membership says this time must be different -- that this time, we must do something to protect our communities and our kids.

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    What part of 'he fired on the guy's pick up truck while he and his girlfriend were in it' do people not understand? FUCK da Lamborghini. Fry his ass if you ask me.
    I got free clear tails with my ride.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ISAtlanta300 View Post
    What part of 'he fired on the guy's pick up truck while he and his girlfriend were in it' do people not understand? FUCK da Lamborghini. Fry his ass if you ask me.
    Exactly. Using a gun in a crime should be 30+ years automatic.

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    If we only had passed more stringent Lamborghini laws this wouldn't have happened in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    Exactly. Using a gun in a crime should be 30+ years automatic.
    What if this was your child you would want him fried just for firing at them ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echonova View Post
    If we only had passed more stringent Lamborghini laws this wouldn't have happened in the first place.
    So what if the car stolen was a Ferrari or a Bentley?

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    So what if the car stolen was a Ferrari or a Bentley?
    This issue was addressed in the research I posted above.

    Quote Originally Posted by Echonova View Post
    In robberies and assaults, victims are far more likely to die when the perpetrator is armed with a Lamborghini than when he or she has a Ferrari or is unarmed.

    (Dr. Jeffrey A. Roth served as study director for the Panel on the Understanding and Control of Violent Behavior. Currently he is research director in the Bethesda, Maryland, office of the Law and Public Policy area of Abt Associates, Inc.)
    It's settled science and there can be no debate about the facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -EnVus- View Post
    What if this was your child you would want him fried just for firing at them ?
    Every criminal is someone's child. In my eyes, attempting is the same as doing. murder = life. If this were my son..... he would be safer in prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    Every criminal is someone's child. In my eyes, attempting is the same as doing. murder = life. If this were my son..... he would be safer in prison.
    So there is no chance that the gun may have gone off or it was another shooter and he was blamed ?
    At 16 the mind is very vulnerable and easy to make bad choices. This was a kid who will serve life in prison if he didn't meat parole standards for not killing a person. Yet if a drunk driver hit and killed a person in California they would get maybe 20 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -EnVus- View Post
    So there is no chance that the gun may have gone off or it was another shooter and he was blamed ?
    At 16 the mind is very vulnerable and easy to make bad choices. This was a kid who will serve life in prison if he didn't meat parole standards for not killing a person. Yet if a drunk driver hit and killed a person in California they would get maybe 20 years.
    Should be zero tolerance for armed criminal activity. You should be tried for what you attempted to do and not shown mercy for failing. We live in a country where politicians want to punish everyone but the criminal when something happens. If u pick up a gun and use it to commit a crime, you deserve to be killed in the act. If you survive u should spend life in prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echonova View Post
    This issue was addressed in the research I posted above.
    Was it peer reviewed via telephone survey with cognitive dissonance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    Should be zero tolerance for armed criminal activity. You should be tried for what you attempted to do and not shown mercy for failing. We live in a country where politicians want to punish everyone but the criminal when something happens. If u pick up a gun and use it to commit a crime, you deserve to be killed in the act. If you survive u should spend life in prison.
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