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    Quote Originally Posted by geoff View Post
    You see it as a trap, something to be used against him by the " gays, blacks, socialists, left,ect.." and that he was suckered into it. Truth is, to him it was an opportunity to share what his faith teaches him and to do as Jesus commissioned...to go out into the world and share the gospel.

    Every action has consequences...that is how life works. He knew what he was saying and he stuck to his beliefs. I applaud him for doing so.
    right to free speech is not congruent to right to work.

    He also didnt JUST say "I believe what the bible teaches ETC ETC ET ETC"

    He went into much more detail, and made fun of gays. if he would have just stuck to being factual (by his beliefs, what he believes to be true) A&E would have had no way to suspend him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geoff View Post
    Blank: You stated "Meaning there was zero truth in what he was implying." I am confused as to whether you are referring to Phil or the interviewer from GQ.
    Blank is an Athiest hes doesnt believe in a god so any of the "god teaches XXXXXX" doesnt matter, its not "factual"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    You dont know how TV works, No advertisers, no show.

    You also dont know their contract. They could have left EASILY and gone to another network, there were already reports that AMC/FX among other major outlets were all waiting for word they were seperating from A&E.

    This was about money, A&E was about to lose a TON. Why else would they cave>
    Obviously you don't know about contracts. The lady that does contracts for these kinds of TV shows was on Fox News just the other night saying exactly what I said. The Robertson's aren't and can't go anywhere unless A&E lets them. There's no debate about it. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    People dont share the same opinion as you = Brainless. Just shows how biased you are and makes 100% total sense why you try to argue the way you do.

    I dont agree with their view, but differing opinions doesnt mean brainless.

    Wheres that civility your kind preaches about (lectures) all the time?
    Brainless meaning boycotting the network that develops your coveted TV show kills ad revenue, effectively contributing to the shows cancellation.

    That's what I mean by brainless. They can't think 1 step ahead of themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    right to free speech is not congruent to right to work.

    He also didnt JUST say "I believe what the bible teaches ETC ETC ET ETC"

    He went into much more detail, and made fun of gays. if he would have just stuck to being factual (by his beliefs, what he believes to be true) A&E would have had no way to suspend him.
    I read the article...did i miss where he made fun of gays? This guy was interviewed, asked controversial questions, and then answered them. If you were given an assignment by your professor to give your personal opinion of gay marriage and gays in society today...should you be flunked or expelled for giving your personal opinion because your paper was offensive to the LGBT community?
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    Quote Originally Posted by geoff View Post
    Blank: You stated "Meaning there was zero truth in what he was implying." I am confused as to whether you are referring to Phil or the interviewer from GQ.
    All of Phil's disparaging comments and implications were grossly inaccurate and/or anecdotal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geoff View Post
    I read the article...did i miss where he made fun of gays? This guy was interviewed, asked controversial questions, and then answered them. If you were given an assignment by your professor to give your personal opinion of gay marriage and gays in society today...should you be flunked or expelled for giving your personal opinion because your paper was offensive to the LGBT community?
    Terrible analogy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    All of Phil's disparaging comments and implications were grossly inaccurate and/or anecdotal.
    How is one's personal opinion about a subject to be considered inaccurate? Can you please quote him where his opinion was inaccurate?
    You also say that his comments were disparaging and anecdotal; again, his personal opinion was given on a question the interviewer asked...how is that degrading? Also, your use of anecdotal is incorrect...he was asked for his opinion/thoughts on the matters...
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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Terrible analogy.
    Care to elaborate....what is the difference?
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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Obviously you don't know about contracts.
    Cite specifically what their contract says. Be sure to attach bibliography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    All of Phil's disparaging comments and implications were grossly inaccurate and/or anecdotal.
    opinion, not factual
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    Quote Originally Posted by geoff View Post
    How is one's personal opinion about a subject to be considered inaccurate? Can you please quote him where his opinion was inaccurate?
    You also say that his comments were disparaging and anecdotal; again, his personal opinion was given on a question the interviewer asked...how is that degrading? Also, your use of anecdotal is incorrect...he was asked for his opinion/thoughts on the matters...
    Do you not know what anecdotal means?

    Here's what Websters has to say about the meaning of "anecdotal"
    Quote Originally Posted by Websters Dictionary
    pertaining to, resembling, or containing anecdotes: an anecdotal history of jazz.
    (of the treatment of subject matter in representational art) pertaining to the relationship of figures or to the arrangement of elements in a scene so as to emphasize the story content of a subject. Compare narrative (def 6).
    based on personal observation, case study reports, or random investigations rather than systematic scientific evaluation: anecdotal evidence.
    My use of the word "anecdotal" is 100% correct. Thank you

    Now onto Phil's anecdote
    “I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person," Robertson is quoted in GQ. "Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”
    That is Phil's personal experience, and is nowhere near accurate of the racial climate of the Jim Crow era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    opinion, not factual
    Far from an opinion actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    Cite specifically what their contract says. Be sure to attach bibliography.

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    You just let me know if you need more sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    That is Phil's personal experience, and is nowhere near accurate of the racial climate of the Jim Crow era.
    The Jim Crow laws were racial segregation laws enacted between 1876 and 1965 in the United States at the state and local level.
    Phil Robbertson (born April 24, 1946)

    He was 19 by the time Jim Crow was gone, but , his life experience cant be provided in a contextual incident? Who said he was saying this is indicative of the entire era? I dont know how you are making the leap from his personal experience to him making sweeping generalizations about an entire 90+ years.

    Again, it was his opinion, not factual
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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Cite specifically what their contract says
    Unnamed source, no bibliography. Sorry, try again
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    Can someone post the actual questions and answers in their entirety ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    Unnamed source, no bibliography. Sorry, try again
    Did you read it? The source was named?

    Nice try though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Did you read it? The source was named?

    Nice try though.
    an insider connected to the production told FOX411.
    .

    No one in that article has direct knowledge of the specifics of the contract and what clauses are in it. Unnamed Source reporting on contract she "believes" to "most certainly" have "X" KTHXBYE

    TRY AGAIn, LOOKUP SPECIFIC, AND TRY , AGAIN. FOR THE 4th time

    to dumb it down for you, post the actual contract, or this is all hearsay
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    .

    No one in that article has direct knowledge of the specifics of the contract and what clauses are in it. Unnamed Source reporting on contract she "believes" to "most certainly" have "X" KTHXBYE

    TRY AGAIn, LOOKUP SPECIFIC, AND TRY , AGAIN. FOR THE 4th time

    to dumb it down for you, post the actual contract, or this is all hearsay
    According to Beverly Hills-based entertainment attorney Julian Chan
    But I digress. Maybe the Robertson's have the only contract in the entire entertainment industry that lets them just walk away and take A&E's intellectual property whenever they want, and A&E and its entire team of contract attorneys are just that stupid. LOL.

    Nice try again. LOL.

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    I think you're just arguing to argue at this point, since you're not making a point. Such a contract probably wouldn't be publicly available, and rightfully so.

    I'll just believe what every other contract attorney says about the contract, and you and the rest of the 1.7 million can believe there's a chance, however small, that the Robertson's have a unique contract that allows them to own A&E's intellectual property, that allows them to terminate said contract at will, at the same time, allows A&E to suspend them, and that A&E's team of attorneys are stupid enough to let that happen. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Do you not know what anecdotal means?

    Here's what Websters has to say about the meaning of "anecdotal"


    My use of the word "anecdotal" is 100% correct. Thank you

    Now onto Phil's anecdote


    That is Phil's personal experience, and is nowhere near accurate of the racial climate of the Jim Crow era.
    I know what anecdotal means, he was asked for his opinion and for his personal experience...how then can it be incorrect? Do you have some kind of secret means of time travel, did you go back to the days of Phil working the fields WITH the blacks and see treatment or hear opinions from said black folks contrary to what Phil stated?

    You stated that he was grossly inaccurate...seeing how you were not there to experience it first hand nor do you know anyone present to see how his co-workers in the fields were treated...how can you say he was inaccurate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post

    All I know is, there are 1.7 million people who are as brainless as the show they watch.
    The show actually has substance. Phil Robertson is a college graduate. You reject anything that doesnt fit into your box. Phil could survive in your world, you couldnt survive in his, yet you feel suited to judge his intelligence. He's a self made millionaire and was so long before Duck Dynasty. In case you're not up to date on the plot, Duck Dynasty is about "millionaire rednecks", it didnt create the millionaire.

    Fun fact, Terry Bradshaw was Phil Robertson's backup QB in college.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    The show actually has substance. Phil Robertson is a college graduate. You reject anything that doesnt fit into your box. Phil could survive in your world, you couldnt survive in his, yet you feel suited to judge his intelligence. He's a self made millionaire and was so long before Duck Dynasty. In case you're not up to date on the plot, Duck Dynasty is about "millionaire rednecks", it didnt create the millionaire.

    Fun fact, Terry Bradshaw was Phil Robertson's backup QB in college.
    You are wasting your breath...and your comment was anecdotal and inaccurate...how can anyone survive much less become a " millionaire redneck" without suckling the Government tit? How did he become successful without Obama? Are you trying to argue that he did it himself through his own hard work and ingenuity???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    The show actually has substance. Phil Robertson is a college graduate
    Where did I say he wasn't?

    yet you feel suited to judge his intelligence.
    Where did I judge his intelligence? All I said was he said some stupid shit. And saying the stupid shit was probably intelligent on his part.

    He's a self made millionaire and was so long before Duck Dynasty.
    Where did I say he wasn't a self made millionaire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geoff View Post
    You are wasting your breath...and your comment was anecdotal and inaccurate...how can anyone survive much less become a " millionaire redneck" without suckling the Government tit? How did he become successful without Obama? Are you trying to argue that he did it himself through his own hard work and ingenuity???
    WTF are you talking about? You are the first person to irrelevantly bring up Obama in this thread. Congratulations. You are officially in the Obama nut-rider club with Sinfix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    WTF are you talking about? You are the first person to irrelevantly bring up Obama in this thread. Congratulations. You are officially in the Obama nut-rider club with Sinfix.
    Just expressing how the left more than likely views this family
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    Do you find it offensive when others wish you a Merry Christmas? I am curious how much you believe in the PC crap...i would like to think that eventually...even someone like you has to say this is ridiculous...
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    It's ridiculous how much news coverage it gets, and how wishing someone well during the holiday season offends so many conservative Christians, and how somehow it equates to a large scale loss of life. The only people waging a "war" on Christmas is evangelical Christians. Literally no one else gives a shit.

    Happy holidays.

    You have one of two responses at this point

    A. Say thank you and go on about your day

    2. Don't say a fucking word and go on about your meaningless miserable existence hating everyone who doesn't say "Christmas"

    DO NOT go on Fox News and vent about how people are trying to remove Jesus from Christmas. The only person that can do that is you.

    I find it offensive when people say there is a war on Christmas. There is a war in Afghanistan. Actual people have lost their lives.

    There is no war on Christmas. No one has lost their life fighting for the word "Christmas." Not a single person.

    Christmas is still the grand materialistic holiday it's always been. Nothing's changed.

    Jesus is still part of your Christmas. He is not part of mine. He is not part of a lot of people's Christmas. And that is perfectly ok.

    Just like Mr. Robertson is free to say being gay is wrong, I have the freedom to say happy holidays.

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    "Just like Mr. Robertson is free to say being gay is wrong, I have the freedom to say happy holidays." THIS

    Was it not those who B*tched about Conservative Christians saying " Merry Christmas " and crying that it might offend someone that started this " war "? I actually agree with you that issues such as this get so much media coverage. Between you and I, i also agree that no one can take Jesus out of Christmas...And i agree that this " war " on Christmas is offensive to those fighting real wars.

    I consider myself conservative, old fashioned, even traditional...it was how I was raised.I used to listen to Hannity and watch his show...it has gotten a little ridiculous and out of hand. But, I find it funny how hypocritical you are...you empathize with the gays and their agenda yet suggest that Conservative Christians suck it up and quit whining....
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    Quote Originally Posted by geoff View Post
    ...you empathize with the gays and their agenda yet suggest that Conservative Christians suck it up and quit whining....
    How are these mutually exclusive?

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    how are they not? One side can be offended and cause national headlines yet the other can not?
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    I haven't heard a single word about being offended by the word "Christmas", except by evangelicals when the word holidays is used in place of it.

    No one else cares except evangelical Christians. They are the ones who, for one reason or another. manufactured the "war".

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    there you go dodging again...how is it ok for the LGBT community as well as Sharpton and the NAACP to cry foul and blow up small ridiculous things such as Phil's personal opinions/answers to questions he was asked but if a Conservative Christian voices their concerns or whatnot you say they need to pretty much suck is up and quit being p*ssies...hypocrite much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by geoff View Post
    Just expressing how the left more than likely views this family
    Blank is the left, he expressed how he views them. Theyre "brainless rednecks" with a bunch of "brainless" fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geoff View Post
    there you go dodging again...how is it ok for the LGBT community as well as Sharpton and the NAACP to cry foul and blow up small ridiculous things such as Phil's personal opinions/answers to questions he was asked but if a Conservative Christian voices their concerns or whatnot you say they need to pretty much suck is up and quit being p*ssies...hypocrite much?
    Maybe GLAAD is upset by Phil's views on Homosexuality. Do they have the freedom to express that? Would you be upset if someone said Christianity "isn't right"?

    Don't lie to me or yourself because evangelicals are all over Fox News when someone says something about Christianity.

    Does anyone care? Not much.

    Freedom of speech works both ways and is cyclical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Maybe GLAAD is upset by Phil's views on Homosexuality. Do they have the freedom to express that? Would you be upset if someone said Christianity "isn't right"?

    Don't lie to me or yourself because evangelicals are all over Fox News when someone says something about Christianity.

    Does anyone care? Not much.

    Freedom of speech works both ways and is cyclical.

    Freedom of speech goes both ways..... but what we have is one side who is vile, classless, hateful, racist and disgusting..... but they throw temper tantrums whenever someone says they dont like gays or think Obama is incompetent.

    Liberal - "i wish republicans would fucking die, i want to shit down Sarah Palin's throat and rip off Romney's testicles, everyone from the south is a redneck and christians are uneducated idiots"

    Conservative - " the bible says homosexuality is a sin "

    Liberal - "WHOA!!!!!!! YOU CROSSED THE LINE!!!!!! Gays have rights too! Obama needs to arrest you rednecks"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    Freedom of speech goes both ways..... but what we have is one side who is vile, classless, hateful, racist and disgusting..... but they throw temper tantrums whenever someone says they dont like gays or think Obama is incompetent.

    Liberal - "i wish republicans would fucking die, i want to shit down Sarah Palin's throat and rip off Romney's testicles, everyone from the south is a redneck and christians are uneducated idiots"

    Conservative - " the bible says homosexuality is a sin "

    Liberal - "WHOA!!!!!!! YOU CROSSED THE LINE!!!!!! Gays have rights too! Obama needs to arrest you rednecks"
    Why would you only use an extreme example of one and not the other?

    I could write a book with how many times you alone have said "liberals" should die

    I could fill a library with the times conservatives said liberals/gays/blacks/Obama should die.

    Lets be consistent. It'll help your argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Why would you only use an extreme example of one and not the other?

    I could write a book with how many times you alone have said "liberals" should die

    I could fill a library with the times conservatives said liberals/gays/blacks/Obama should die.

    Lets be consistent. It'll help your argument.
    So what i say is an example of conservative views???? LOL..........

    The only people i have ever said "should die" are people who attempt to harm me or take my freedom away. Wait a second... you're right, anyone who tries to rob or enslave me probably will be a liberal democrat.

    Most of the hate speech comes from the left, most of the "running to mommy" comes from the left. Look no further than this site to compare left and right, when your feelings get hurt, you want to run to the mods and asks for threads to be censored or removed. Same as libs in real life, they want to say whatever they want to say, then want everyone else to be censored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    But I digress. Maybe the Robertson's have the only contract in the entire entertainment industry that lets them just walk away and take A&E's intellectual property whenever they want, and A&E and its entire team of contract attorneys are just that stupid. LOL.

    Nice try again. LOL.
    We dont know what owns what and who owns what, you are basing it all on hearsay. We dont even know what it would take to break their contract.

    Again, if this was court, you just lost because you are operating on assumption
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