Mel Watt promoted by Obama

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Challenge accepted... As long as you are willing to do the same.


You are a lot of things that I respect blank, but being open-minded is not one of those... Just sayin'

Not sure what I haven't been open minded about as long as its truthful information. There's a left and a right side of information, but I'm not gonna sit here and complicity believe that Obama is a secret communis Muslim socialist dictator; it's not really a legitimate point of view. Thats kinda like saying I'm not open minded because I don't believe the sun revolves around the earth. Lol

I fully understand that some people think we're morally obligated and we have a civic duty to vote

[Sinfix_15]

Not sure what I haven't been open minded about as long as its truthful information. There's a left and a right side of information, but I'm not gonna sit here and complicity believe that Obama is a secret communis Muslim socialist dictator; it's not really a legitimate point of view. Thats kinda like saying I'm not open minded because I don't believe the sun revolves around the earth. Lol

I fully understand that some people think we're morally obligated and we have a civic duty to vote

You're the most close minded person I've ever met.

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You're the most close minded person I've ever met.

So, not believing in false things makes you closed minded. Got it.

Boy have I got a story for y'all about Santa Claus

[Sinfix_15]

So, not believing in false things makes you closed minded. Got it.

Boy have I got a story for y'all about Santa Claus

Your belief of what truth is, is false. Your unrelenting effort to defy reality to maintain your belief is what makes you close minded.

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You're right. The sun does revolve around the earth. Good detective work, Sinfix.

[David88vert]

And if you're interested in what other political philosophers think about the ethics of voting, you're more than welcome to research on your own. If you're interested in seeing what other people think, you will. But I think you should. Let's see how open minded you really are.

You made the statement, I am just asking for you to produce these papers that support your statement. I have not seen any such papers, and I am pretty certain that I read more papers on legalities than you do.
If you have supporting documentation for your statement, then show it. If you do not, then I will dismiss your statement as incorrect.

[David88vert]

Not sure what I haven't been open minded about as long as its truthful information. There's a left and a right side of information, but I'm not gonna sit here and complicity believe that Obama is a secret communis Muslim socialist dictator; it's not really a legitimate point of view. Thats kinda like saying I'm not open minded because I don't believe the sun revolves around the earth. Lol

I fully understand that some people think we're morally obligated and we have a civic duty to vote

Dismissing factual data and statistics as you have previously done is clearly close-mindedness. That is your right though - no one can force you to be open-minded.

As for voting being a civic duty, I agree that it is, and I have some company on that:

“A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user.”
― Theodore Roosevelt

"I grew up in Minnesota, where we treasure our tradition of civic engagement - and our record of having the nation's highest voter participation." - Al Franken

"Voting is a civic sacrament - the highest responsibility we have as Americans." - Christine Pelosi

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That's all we needed to hear. Thank you.

[Sinfix_15]

You're right. The sun does revolve around the earth. Good detective work, Sinfix.

You put your own far left radical OPINIONS on way too high of a pedestal.

[David88vert]

That's all we needed to hear. Thank you.

I can make my beliefs on voting clear - I believe that all citizens should vote, and vote well. That is, to educate themselves on the candidates and policies that are being voted upon, and choose what is best for the common good, not self-interest, while staying within the confines of the Constitution and its ideals. As for those that are not motivated to learn about the voting issues/candidates, it is not enough for them to abstain from voting. Their civic duty is to learn and vote for the common good, regardless of what ideology that they have.

You already stated everything needed to show that you have beliefs that are not in line with the founding fathers, or Ivy League political professors:

"So you believe that based on someone's opinion, that their freedom should be taken away?" - Sinfix_15
In response:
"Racially motivated voters should be adjusted for, yes." - You

I think that you were referencing Jason Brennan's (left-leaning libertarian) paper - The Ethics of Voting - when you made your statement, of course, you did not want to actually show your "source". However, if you actually took the time to read and study his writings, you would know that he does not advocate the removal of the right to vote due to ideology, such as racism. He does not advocate that a value of a vote should be adjusted either, in fact, he expressly argues that each vote should be counted.
http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i9464.pdf

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Brennen's paper says pretty much what I said in so many words. That some people should abstain from voting. Did you read it?

It's one of my sources. But there are others. I wanted to see if you could find it on your own, and not have to be baby sat through the thinking process

[Sinfix_15]

Brennen's paper says pretty much what I said in so many words. That some people should abstain from voting. Did you read it?

It's one of my sources. But there are others. I wanted to see if you could find it on your own, and not have to be baby sat through the thinking process

I would love the results of an election where only people more intelligent than myself were allowed to vote.

[David88vert]

Brennen's paper says pretty much what I said in so many words. That some people should abstain from voting. Did you read it?

I read it and it does not agree with what you said. He stated that he believes that people should voluntarily not vote if they cannot justify why they are voting that way. That is not the argument that you stated. He specifically dedicated a whole section to "the right to vote" and that it should not be able to be taken away. His article does not support your statement, so please provide one that does.

His words : "I argue that some citizens should not vote. This does not imply that they should not have the right to vote. Claiming that you have a right to do something but should not do it is perfectly consistent. The right to vote and the rightness of voting are different things. I do not argue that we should disenfranchise anyone. Though I think many voters are wrong to vote, I will not argue that anyone should prevent them from voting."

It's one of my sources. But there are others. I wanted to see if you could find it on your own, and not have to be baby sat through the thinking process

Where are these others? I want you to show me an Ivy League political professor that says that voters that are racist should be adjust for, based upon their racist ideology. After all, that is what you claimed.

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I see what happened here. My position was misrepresented along the way. So I've spent too much time clarifying what Sinfix thought I said and not what I actually said, which was an agreement with Watts. So that's my last word on the subject.

[David88vert]

I see what happened here. My position was misrepresented along the way. So I've spent too much time clarifying what Sinfix thought I said and not what I actually said, which was an agreement with Watts. So that's my last word on the subject.

So, you are in agreement with a racist, while you say that racist voters should be adjusted for. LOL.

For the record, it's ok for Watts to be racist. As long as he performs his duties fairly, without illegally discriminating against a race, such as Caucasians, then he can have whatever ideology that makes his happy (although his statements do not make him sound like a happy person).

[Vteckidd]