The individual mandate will be next.
They can't say you have to have insurance or face fines, then tell you that your employer doesn't have to offer you insurance and can't be fined despite the law saying otherwise.
The individual mandate will be next.
They can't say you have to have insurance or face fines, then tell you that your employer doesn't have to offer you insurance and can't be fined despite the law saying otherwise.
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The individual mandate will only go if no other option is left to them by the general populace, and they are way too stupid to even pay attention anymore. By making the rules impossible to follow or predict, insurance companies will go broke and take a bail out in exchange for government control.
Remember the purpose is to collapse the system, not provide healthcare.
Elections have consequences. Maybe a total collapse of the healthcare system and even a partial collapse of the govt is what we need to reboot and get things back on track.
More seriously though, I think the human race is a victim of its own humanity. World population is out of control and unsustainable. Eventually we will get to a breaking point and the proverbial bubble will burst. I can see it happening in the next 20 years or so. Resources will become scarce leading to worldwide famine and conflict.
Eh... I do not disagree entirely, so take the following words knowing I have mucho respect.Originally Posted by BanginJimmy
Were you to fully utilize the significant advances in agriculture, eliminate stupid EPA regulations as say... The death-lock on the California irrigation system to farms because of some fucking minnows... And allow farmers to actually do work. Food and/or famine should be the least of our worries. The power grid and supporting infrastructure is another story... But there is only one reason why people starve today and will continue to starve in the future is Government. I just don't mean ours... Any good Socialist knows that a certain percentage must be sacrificed for the greater good. It's just not talked about at the dinner parties.
with every post i gain more and more respect for you. your wisdom never disappoints.
Lifting the govt stranglehold would be a bandaid, but it wouldnt be a cure. It may even get the world to the point where experts think global population will begin to decline. I just dont know how much damage will be done by that point and if it will be fixable.
More advanced farming is really just geneticly engineered products which are widely known to be less healthy. The same is true of meat products.
As far as the famine and conflict go, it wont start here in the US. It will start in the poorest parts of the world that already live on the brink of famine and conflict. Just a small drop in aid to any number of areas in Africa, Asia and Indonesia could turn somewhat small conflicts into regional ones.
the government is the cause of the problem. we throw away enough food to end starvation in this country.
any reason i should care if other countries with communist governments kill themselves? sounds like a net positive to me......
the government is also the cause of GMO food......... patented seeds.... really?
the next election may be the most important one in our history, were another democrat away from a revolution.... while im sure youre gonna dismiss that notion, the government is training for it right now as we speak
GMO foods is a topic for another day. What I was referring to is the EPA caused disaster going on right now (and has been going on for years)in California, you know... "The breadbasket of America". Many farms have simply dried up because the EPA has cut off their irrigation.
It's a bit of a over-simplification to couch it in those terms, but there is no denying the ramifications.
I know what you are talking about. Its a major problem and one that is being felt in a lot more places than just Cali. Las Vegas and many other parts of Nevada, Arizona and New Mexico are in a fight right now over water also.
Water is a long term problem that is being exacerbated by population.
Back on topic though, getting into it with a few others on another forum I am on. Some of the arguments people come up with are really mind blowing. Some of them even make Sin and Blank look rational.
I don't dare delve into what I really think is coming on this forum. May or may not be in my lifetime. Mostly because I suck at guessing time frames. And because no one ever wants to hear the truth. On the flip side, everyone wants to be heard, it's just most people don't have anything important or truthful to say... But the internet makes the most insignificant person important, so there's that.
i always get a chuckle at you saying this, seeing as how i agree with you 95% of the time.
Well I think what Jimmy means is , in principle I agree with you a ton Sin, but you tend to go out there like say.......Glenn Beck and go the extra 1/4 mile to say things that i think causes people to miss your original point.
Sometimes you can go too far that people of less IQ (which is a lot of people) dont comprehend what you are saying and just see you say "Black America....................." and label you a racist.
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wow.... am i really as bad as beck? that cuts deep.
the word racist is meaningless.
LOL no but , you do go over the top, you know that, its part of your personality. Im smart enoguh to know what your point is, but other people, see you type out something and all they get from it is "Black poeple are lazy" or "I hate obama"
they dont get your deeper point. All they see is black vs white from things you type. Im sure you know what i mean
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ya im followin ya.
its on purpose and usually a lot more well crafted than it appears. for some reason it amuses me to try and make people think something about me but at the same time leaving the benefit of the doubt. its an inside joke with myself that i usually dont care if other ppl get
ive never said one racist remark on this forum
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Obama is sleeping one night when the ghost of George Washington appears in his room and wakes him up. Obama looks at George and asks " George, what can i do to make this country better?"
George replies " just be honest like i was and everything will work out just fine"
Obama shakes his head and says "i dont know about that, i'll have to get back with you"
George lowers his head and fades away.
The ghost of Thomas Jefferson appears and Obama asks "Thomas, what can i do to make this country better?"
Thomas replies "just love the constitution like i did and everything will be just fine"
Obama shakes his head and says "i dont know about that Thomas, i'll have to get back with you"
Thomas lowers his head and fades away.
The ghost of Abraham Lincoln appears and Obama asks "Abe, what can i do to make this country better?"
Abe replies " go see a play"
Check the news - its in the House to delay the individual mandate now - H.R. 4015. This bill would delay the individual mandate by 5 years. I doubt that it will pass this time, but they are attempting to delay it.
On another note, since December, individuals can now qualify for a "hardship exemption" -- meaning they would not have to pay a penalty for not buying insurance -- if they "experienced another hardship in obtaining health insurance." There is no definition as to what "another hardship" means, and anyone seeking this exemption should "submit documentation if possible."
That is pretty open and could apply to everyone. So, what will be interesting is that - if only the older and sick Americans sign up, and the younger and healthy Americans claim "hardship", how will the insurance companies keep the rates down? The whole purpose of the mandates were to have the those that didn't need healthcare pay for those that do - this new exemption opens a huge loophole that could have massive economic consequences for Obamacare.
Remember how Obama said that 46 million Americans were uninsured and that the ACA was needed for them. He talked about how they were asking for this bill to be passed:
"We are not a nation that accepts nearly 46 million uninsured men, women and children" - Obama, June 2009
"Nearly 46 million Americans don't have health insurance coverage today" - Obama, August 2009
Of course, we all know that he revised that in Sept of 2010 - "We are the only democracy—the only advanced democracy on Earth—the only wealthy nation—that allows such hardship for millions of its people. There are now more than 30 million American citizens who cannot get coverage." - due to his initial counting of illegal aliens in his initial number.
So, the CBO estimated that 7 million Americans needed to sign up and pay up by Mar 31, 2014, on the federal exchange to make their numbers. So far, with only days left to sign up, we are at 4.2 million signed up, and the administration is not saying how many actually have paid for their selected plan - you know, actually have enrolled.
Administration: 4.2 million people signed up for Obamacare plans through February - Kyle Cheney - POLITICO.com
Selecting a plan is the equivalent of test driving a car - it means nothing until you sign the contract to pay for it. Obamacare's numbers are simply test drives, and are not saying how many have "bought the plan" (enrollment). And of those that actually did enroll, it appears that only 80-85% of them have actually paid for it so far.
The real question is - since Obama said that 30 million needed insurance, why aren't they signing up in droves?
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"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
I saw an article that said only about 10% of the enrollees were previously uninsured.
New health insurance marketplaces signing up few uninsured Americans, two surveys find - The Washington Post
Tell me again how this law is going to reduce the cost of health insurance? I havent seen it yet.
Oh, and according to my new Union Contract, my employer assumes my health care plan will qualify as a Cadillac plan when that goes into effect in 2018 so they are going to reduce coverages in order to fall below that threshold. Just more proof that the left is more about keeping people down than it is about bringing people up.
For lack of a better term, he has COMPLETELY shit the bed on the ACA.The real question is - since Obama said that 30 million needed insurance, why aren't they signing up in droves?
Theres no incentive for them to sign up. He made the law so that they cant charge for "preexisiting conditions" thinking "Hey, just cause you get cancer doesnt mean you should be taken advantage of by a HC company".
But what really happened was "Ill just buy insurance when i need it, since there is no penalty"
He also completely fucked up with:
People who are poor (the people he advocates for buying insurance) have 2 options right now, buy a plan, or , pay a fine that is less than 12 months of the plans premiums. So, whats the point? Until the fine outpaces the premium, theres no incentive to buy.
Poor people get subsidies for healthcare, but again, theres no incentive. They can just buy it when they need it. OR...............stay on their parents until they are 26.
EVERYTHING we have predicted is coming true, watch the Democrats RUN FOR THE HILLS as this gets worse and worse
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^ They're already trying to distance themselves from him.
Also, if you want to solve the food and farmer issues, start off by burying Monsanto. But good luck with that...Obummer selected one of their lobbyists to be a part of the FDA.
Organic Consumers Association: Millions Against Monsanto
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PASS THE BILL THEY SAID
ITLL LOWER PREMIUMS THEY SAID
Health insurance premiums have risen more after Obamacare than the average premium increases over the eight years before it became law, according to the private health exchange eHealthInsurance.
The individual market for health insurance has seen premiums rise by 39 percent since February 2013, eHealth reports. Without a subsidy, the average individual premium is now $274 a month. Families have been hit even harder with an average increase of 56 percent over the same period — average premiums are now $663 per family, over $426 last year.
Between 2005 and 2013, average premiums for individual plans increased 37 percent and average family premiums were upped 31 percent. So they have risen faster under Obamacare than in the previous eight years.An important caveat is that eHealth’s prices don’t include subsidies, so the prices for anyone earning between 100 and 400 percent of the federal poverty level will be lower. The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) has repeatedly claimed patients will pay as little as $18 per month, without noting the taxpayer cost.
Premiums are being hiked across the board for several reasons, but the biggest contributor is the Obama administration’s highly touted “essential health benefits,” services that insurers on and off exchanges must provide.
Some benefits, such as emergency and laboratory services, are uncontroversial. But others, like maternity, newborn and pediatric services, are causing headaches for huge swaths of the population that don’t need them. Anyone past childbearing age, single men, the infertile, even nuns — their premiums are rising as well, because their plans must, by law, provide more services.
But premiums aren’t the only key to health care costs — deductibles and out-of-pocket costs like co-pays are also rising. When it comes to employer health plans alone, four out of five U.S. companies have increased deductibles or are considering doing so.
The latest survey from consulting firm McKinsey found that half of those who haven’t purchased health insurance yet this year cited their inability to pay the premium.
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Haven't seen BlankCD in a while. Wonder how he's doing these days.....
I got free clear tails with my ride.....
Why would he come back to this? He has absolutely nothing to back up his love affair with Obama other than race and/or party.
Today it was announced that about 5 mil people have signed up for private plans through the exchanges. They still wont say how many have actually paid a premium though, which I expect to be less than 70%.
The real death blow is going to come out in the demographics though. You are going to see the 'young indestructibles' make up less than 20% of the market where the admin claims they need at least 40% to sustain the program.
All I know is that I can't get through 5 songs on Pandora without hearing some stupid fucking ad for Obamacare.
They realize that the young Americans that put them in office has learned the error of their ways...and the Administration is trying to sucker them back in.
Worried Obama begs donors, 'Do you still have my back?' | WashingtonExaminer.com
Except for the fact that the only people he's approaching are those with money...which typically isn't the youth of America since he's already bankrupted our generation.
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Theyre literally begging people to sign up and pay for this garbage. You see commercials for it everywhere.... radio, public tv, sporting events, its also pretty obvious that talk show hosts and news anchors have been instructed to push it.......
But dont you dare say that theres a liberal bias in media.
Lebron james, Alonzo Mourning, Magic Johnson all running ads encouraging people to sign up.
YEAH, BECAUSE MILLIONAIRES IN SPORTS AND BUSINESS REALLY REPRESENT THAT YOUNG KID WITH HERPES WHO NEEDS HEALTHCARE.
What an epic disconnect
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Just remember...most transparent administration in US History.
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Propaganda and advertisings works.........
Democrats are now fighting for the right to indoctrinate our children and start poisoning minds early.
Once democrats gain the ability to campaign to 1st graders, the world we know is lost.
What are you gonna say when your 3rd grader comes home with homework to find out why racist white people wanted to stop Obama from giving ppl health insurance?
You'll only have to worry about that in big cities.
Thankfully, some county school systems still believe in education, not indoctrination.
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If that were the case i wouldnt care. With common core the government controls EVERY classroom...... and the books are littered with radical left wing propaganda.
Home school.
^ That, and to address Sinfix, regardless of the book content, I've had teachers in high school say they're required to teach content but made it clear that it's the govt that requires it, not their own desire/curriculum standards. And then they proceed to blow through it in one day and don't ever bring it up again.
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My name is not Sinfix, I don't have a love affair with Obama. Sorry.
Who would you rather inform the public about the ACA? The president himself is a millionaire businessman.
I've been just sitting back watching and laughing. What's the point trying to tell people who say stuff like this...
...is ignorant. They'll just get further and further entrenched in their beliefs.
I wish more parents would take on home schooling their kids. Stop wasting the schools time with self-important parents. They end up failing miserably, and that's how we end up with dumbass kids who end up believing the school system is loaded with left wing propaganda.
If you want to believe the earth is 6000 years old and the left sole philosophy is indoctrinating young kids, then that's fine, but leave your children out of it. The earth doesn't need any more morons like Sinfix and AFSik80
I think its pretty sad you have to have people pitch your ACA because its not doing what you promised it would do.
He needs people to pitch it, because its not doing what he claimed
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Im not sure how to solve the public education we have going on, but , studies are pretty clear that if you have the RIGHT accountability and the ability to fire teachers who dont do well (IE DO AWAY WITH UNIONS), kids benefit.
The #1 problem with education is lobbyists and the teachers union
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Yeah.... the world needs less self sustained, college educated, tax paying, law abiding professionals like me.
We need more people sitting on thier ass living in welfare villages dropping out of school to pursue rap careers who think mcdonalds wont pay them 40k a year because of racism and somebody need to pay for Sheniquas 9 kids because the baby daddies aint around.
I can exist without liberals.
Liberals need people like me to feed off of.
Its hilarious for you of all people to accuse someone of being entrenched in thier beliefs....
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