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    Vermont passes single-payer.

    As health-insurance problems keep arising, Vermont offers a ray of hope | MinnPost

    Surely this place will start looking like Afghanistan and North Korea any minute now....

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    Well 2 things will inevitably happen

    1) Costs will rise
    2) Care will suffer (as in quality of care)

    YOu can bet on higher taxes, and doctors leaving the state. Save this post and respond in 5 years
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    I'm guessing that you haven't been following the news. Either Obama was lying, or his staff was intentionally hiding pertinent information from him. Either way, bad news.

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    Obamacare declared a success by Obama? Not so fast - the numbers fall right in line with what I have been seeing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Vermont passes single-payer.

    As health-insurance problems keep arising, Vermont offers a ray of hope | MinnPost

    Surely this place will start looking like Afghanistan and North Korea any minute now....

    A blog. And you question my sources? LOL

    Vermont has two insurers for the state. Vermont uses a community rating that blends the rates across ages, making younger participants pay much higher premiums than if they lived in another state.

    Vermont's suggested cost savings are being questioned by Avalere Health, as the numbers don't add up: http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...S03/311140037/
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    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    A blog. And you question my sources? LOL
    What does the source matter in this case? I'm not disputing a fact. Vermont passed single payer, did they not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    What does the source matter in this case? I'm not disputing a fact. Vermont passed single payer, did they not?
    So, sources only matter when others are stating information, not when you are. Got it.

    They aren't implementing it until 2017.
    Their current system is not single payer. What the heck is Vermont Health Connect? - VTDigger

    Do you know why they are attempting it there? It's the most liberal state in the union and with a population of about 626,000 and just 15 hospitals, all nonprofits, it is the only state with a chance to actually implement it. Also, Vermont also has little income diversity. In the rest of the country, we see that people with lower incomes who don't pay into a health care system make it costlier for other people. In Vermont, 96 percent of children have insurance coverage, and 91 percent of the overall population does - only Mass. ranks higher.
    Now, how are you going to make it work in a state like GA or CA? - or any state that has racial and income divides much, much wider than VT (the other 49 states).
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    Obamacare signup delayed -- for 2015 - CNN.com

    Obamacare signup is delayed until 2015. Sounds like the Democrats started getting worried about mid-terms.
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    Someone is not being truthful. As someone who has delivered many enterprise software applications, I can say that the testing documentation and defect report is likely to be correct, not the CMS officials.

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    Lowest growth in healthcare spending and costs in 50 years.

    http://m.whitehouse.gov/sites/defaul...embargo_v2.pdf

    But....Fox and friends said Obamacare would make costs skyrocket. Hmmm....

    Hospital readmission rates are down as well. Guess that means

    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    1) Costs will rise
    2) Care will suffer (as in quality of care)
    Are both false so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post



    Are both false so far.
    when you pick your own facts to fit your point of view, sure.

    LOL@ using the WHITE HOUSE as a "SOURCE" LOLOL yeah cause they have NOTHING to lose do they HAHAHAHA

    49-State Analysis: Obamacare To Increase Individual-Market Premiums By Average Of 41% - Forbes

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    Obamacare Raising Premiums, Hurting Middle, Lower Class | Washington Free Beacon

    Just google OBAMACARE and look at all the LEFT WING places reporting the massive increases, cancellations, and impending rate hikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    LOL@ using the WHITE HOUSE as a "SOURCE" LOLOL yeah cause they have NOTHING to lose do they HAHAHAHA
    Lol. Talk about sticking your head in the sand....

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    Or I suppose the more logical explanation is that all those people are talking out of their ass.

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    Cherry picking to fit your argument and narrative. LEGIT!
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    Blank, I think you don't know how to interpret your own posted report.
    What is spent on healthcare is not the same topic as the new Obamacare rates. Apples to oranges.

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    If you BELIEVE that Healthcare costs are FALLING, then you are a lost cause I dont have to spend 20 pages explaining why youre wrong. Just keep drinking the Kool Aid
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    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    Blank, I think you don't know how to interpret your own posted report.
    What is spent on healthcare is not the same topic as the new Obamacare rates. Apples to oranges.
    Healthcare costs have slowed. That's what I said, and that's what the data shows. Nothing more. Nothing less.

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    If you BELIEVE that Healthcare costs are FALLING, then you are a lost cause I dont have to spend 20 pages explaining why youre wrong. Just keep drinking the Kool Aid
    Well I just spent one post telling you how you were wrong, so apparantly you know something all those people don't know. Please, share it with the rest of us.

    I believe what the data shows. Nothing more. The data says healthcare spending and cost growth is lower than it's been in 50 years, it even says ACA is the cause. It also says readmission rates are also slowing. That almost directly contradicts your claim of costs rising and quality of care falling. So, if you have some information that contradicts what all those people researched, then please, share it with us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Healthcare costs have slowed. That's what I said, and that's what the data shows. Nothing more. Nothing less.


    Well I just spent one post telling you how you were wrong, so apparantly you know something all those people don't know. Please, share it with the rest of us.

    I believe what the data shows. Nothing more. The data says healthcare spending and cost growth is lower than it's been in 50 years, it even says ACA is the cause. It also says readmission rates are also slowing. That almost directly contradicts your claim of costs rising and quality of care falling. So, if you have some information that contradicts what all those people researched, then please, share it with us.
    This post contradicts itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    This post contradicts itself.
    Ok

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    Facts are a needless distraction.

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    This is how blank sees the facts, and how he will be shown the truth. It's right under his nose... One day. Not today, but one day.



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    Franken open to individual mandate delay

    "Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) says he would be open to a brief delay in the individual mandate if the problems with HealthCare.gov aren’t fixed by the end of the month, according to Minnesota Public Radio.

    "I think then we have to consider extending the deadline for the mandate, but let’s hope that doesn’t happen," Franken told MPR.

    Franken has so far been relatively quiet about potential changes to the health-care law, but he now joins a growing group of Senate Democrats in seats that could be targeted by the GOP in 2014 who are speaking up on the issue."


    Didn't Chris Matthews call Sen. Ted Cruz a "political terrorist" when he tried to change Obamacare?
    Now, if Sen. Franken ends up supporting a delay to the individual mandate, does that make him a "political terrorist" as well? Will we see an outcry from MSNBC denouncing him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    If blank is half as smart as blank thinks blank is...... he is hanging his head in shame and avoiding this section. The reality of Obama's failures is becoming too obvious to ignore, even for those who desperately want to ignore it.

    I've been hearing former Obama supporters say "Romney was right" all week.

    If you're as smart as you play to be you would know that our President doesn't have an actual say in ...... anything really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manny Naber View Post
    If you're as smart as you play to be you would know that our President doesn't have an actual say in ...... anything really.
    So everything is or isnt Bush's fault?

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    What does Bush have to do with this discussion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manny Naber View Post
    If you're as smart as you play to be you would know that our President doesn't have an actual say in ...... anything really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    What does Bush have to do with this discussion?
    It was a rhetorical question aimed at sarcastically poking fun at the democratic narrative.....

    you know...?

    Everything bad is Bush's fault and Obama has absolutely nothing to do with anything, other than killing Osama Bin Laden with his bare hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    It was a rhetorical question aimed at sarcastically poking fun at the democratic narrative.....

    you know...?

    Everything bad is Bush's fault and Obama has absolutely nothing to do with anything, other than killing Osama Bin Laden with his bare hands.
    well no one said anything about it but you, so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    well no one said anything about it but you, so...
    He said "i should know that the president doesnt do anything"

    This goes against what i hear in the media regarding previous presidents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    He said "i should know that the president doesnt do anything"

    This goes against what i hear in the media regarding previous presidents.
    Why are you so preoccupied with what the media says?

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Why are you so preoccupied with what the media says?
    The media is an instrumental tool in deciding elections. If they were honest, Obama wouldnt be president. That's a pretty big deal IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manny Naber View Post
    If you're as smart as you play to be you would know that our President doesn't have an actual say in ...... anything really.
    Then under what authority did he use to modify the law of the land, Obamacare, without congressional approval?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy View Post
    Then under what authority did he use to modify the law of the land, Obamacare, without congressional approval?
    Could you clarify what you mean by "modify without congressional approval"?

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    Passed the House on October 8, 2009 (416–0)
    Passed the Senate as the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" on December 24, 2009 (60–39) with amendment
    House agreed to Senate amendment on March 21, 2010 (219–212)

    Signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010

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    Delaying the mandates, changing the law and its implementation.

    last week he told the Insurance companies its ok to break his own law so people wouldnt lose their own insurance. He basically is circumventing pieces of legislation to appease voters when the backlash gets more than he can handle
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