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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    You want to live in world where the government can force doctors into slavery to accommodate for those who can't pay?
    Didn't suggest that either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Didn't suggest that either.
    So what happens if doctors decide they want nothing to do with Obamacare and start opening cash only hospitals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    So what happens if doctors decide they want nothing to do with Obamacare and start opening cash only hospitals?
    LOL he doesnt believe in private industry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    So what happens if doctors decide they want nothing to do with Obamacare and start opening cash only hospitals?
    That will simply be deemed "black market" and made illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    So what happens if doctors decide they want nothing to do with Obamacare and start opening cash only hospitals?
    At that point it will be cheaper to be on the NHS, so they'll simply be priced out, unless they're catering to wealthier patients who want more personal care or something. I'm sure a market would open up for something like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    LOL he doesnt believe in private industry
    That's a lie. I totally support a free market solution for police, fire, and military.

    Seriously though. I support private industry for things that are controlled by typical market forces. Healthcare isn't one of them though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    At that point it will be cheaper to be on the NHS, so they'll simply be priced out, unless they're catering to wealthier patients who want more personal care or something. I'm sure a market would open up for something like that.
    In the world Obama is creating, "wealthier patients" will be anyone with a job.


    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    That's a lie. I totally support a free market solution for police, fire, and military.
    Here we go again with this nonsense...... the "all or nothing" attitude towards social programs.

    Anything we share makes sense. I get use out of the fire department, police and military......

    section 8 housing, food stamps and welfare is no benefit to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    In the world Obama is creating, "wealthier patients" will be anyone with a job.




    Here we go again with this nonsense...... the "all or nothing" attitude towards social programs.

    Anything we share makes sense. I get use out of the fire department, police and military......
    Do you get no use out of healthcare? If such a system came up where healthcare was treated like the fire department or the police or military, it was cheaper, and the same care you get now, you wouldn't take advantage of it, simply because of your ideological aversion to "big government"?

    Heh

    section 8 housing, food stamps and welfare is no benefit to me.
    This is a broken-window fallacy. You do get a benefit from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Do you get no use out of healthcare? If such a system came up where healthcare was treated like the fire department or the police or military, it was cheaper, and the same care you get now, you wouldn't take advantage of it, simply because of your ideological aversion to "big government"?

    Heh

    This is a broken-window fallacy. You do get a benefit from it.
    I get no benefit from you having health insurance. I can afford my own healthcare...... one way or another, if i didnt have insurance, i can afford to pay cash. So no, no benefit to me that you have health insurance, none at all. ACA does nothing other than reduce my quality of care and increase my cost because i'm paying for someone else to have healthcare. My current insurance is worthless......... my deductible is so high that i'm going to be paying cash anyways.

    Section 8 is also no benefit to me....... i'd love to see you explain to me how it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    I get no benefit from you having health insurance. I can afford my own healthcare...... one way or another, if i didnt have insurance, i can afford to pay cash. So no, no benefit to me that you have health insurance, none at all. ACA does nothing other than reduce my quality of care and increase my cost because i'm paying for someone else to have healthcare. My current insurance is worthless......... my deductible is so high that i'm going to be paying cash anyways.

    Section 8 is also no benefit to me....... i'd love to see you explain to me how it is.
    Why do I need to explain something that's easy enough for you to earn on your own.

    Yes. You get a benefit from everyone having healthcare, you get a benefit from public assistance. It's not really debatable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Why do I need to explain something that's easy enough for you to earn on your own.

    Yes. You get a benefit from everyone having healthcare, you get a benefit from public assistance. It's not really debatable.
    I dont need or want public assistance. How does this benefit me?

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    What is public assistance?

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    Assistance for the public, probably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Assistance for the public, probably.
    Good answer.

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    Couldn't think of a simpler answer

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Assistance for the public, probably.
    This Robin Hood government is not what i would call public assistance. Theyre taking money from one person and giving it to another. I call it stealing.... or extortion maybe.

    It's not assisting anyone to make it so theyre incapable of taking care of themselves and dependent on government.



    Tell me how section 8 specifically benefits me. Give me your justification of this program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    This Robin Hood government is not what i would call public assistance. Theyre taking money from one person and giving it to another. I call it stealing.... or extortion maybe.
    You can call it whatever you want to call it. But the truth is, the people who use it have also paid into it all their lives. So I guess you could also say they're taking it from themselves?

    That is, unless, you just want to look at it through your own narrow worldview.

    It's not assisting anyone to make it so theyre incapable of taking care of themselves and dependent on government.
    But that's not what it is, so....



    Tell me how section 8 specifically benefits me. Give me your justification of this program.
    I can't tell you my justification for it because it's not my program and I didn't design it, but I can give you the insight of the economists and the people who set it up, and you can compare it with your own thoughts of the system if you'd like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    You can call it whatever you want to call it. But the truth is, the people who use it have also paid into it all their lives. So I guess you could also say they're taking it from themselves?

    That is, unless, you just want to look at it through your own narrow worldview.

    But that's not what it is, so....





    I can't tell you my justification for it because it's not my program and I didn't design it, but I can give you the insight of the economists and the people who set it up, and you can compare it with your own thoughts of the system if you'd like.
    Those people who paid into it their entire lives should not have been forced to pay into their entire lives and should have that money they paid into it to invest how they please, the same as me.

    It's not the government's job to supply people with equal things, only equal opportunity.

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    I really is admirable how much liberals want to give in charity to their fellow man...........................




    now if we could ever get them to start doing it with their own money.....

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    LOL

    That's it? "Sorry"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elbow View Post
    LOL

    That's it? "Sorry"?
    That's it. LOL

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    "Insurance companies appear to be [cancelling policies] for a variety of reasons; some are pulling all their plans from certain states where they have fewer subscribers in order to save money."

    And...

    4 Debunking Obamacare myths: Both sides get it wrong - CNN.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    "Insurance companies appear to be [cancelling policies] for a variety of reasons; some are pulling all their plans from certain states where they have fewer subscribers in order to save money."

    And...

    4 Debunking Obamacare myths: Both sides get it wrong - CNN.com
    CNN can be trusted to offer an unbiased look at Obamacare.



    Just for curiosity, any of those companies who cancelled policies for a variety of reasons, are any of the reasons because the Affordable Care Act made healthcare more affordable and that they simply did not like paying more affordable prices?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    CNN can be trusted to offer an unbiased look at Obamacare
    This was exactly the comment I was looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    This was exactly the comment I was looking for.
    What? i said that CNN can be trusted........ why would anyone question that?

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    Did anyone cite more affordable prices as their reason for canceling insurance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elbow View Post
    LOL

    That's it? "Sorry"?
    Obama never said he was "Sorry" for Obamacare. He said he was sorry that people were too stupid to understand the fact he lies, and they chose to believe him.

    Listen close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echonova View Post
    Obama never said he was "Sorry" for Obamacare. He said he was sorry that people were too stupid

    Listen close.
    That's exactly what he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    That's exactly what he said.
    I wonder how the election would have gone if he was honest. I know he still would have carried the black vote..... but it could have made a difference.

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    Have any of your insurance policies changes from Obamacare? Anyone in here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elbow View Post
    Have any of your insurance policies changes from Obamacare? Anyone in here?
    Yep. My company dropped my existing policy citing that the cost was too high. With new policy my deductible went from $1500 to $5000 in addition to a 8% price increase and my company also reducing the amount they pay from 85% to 80%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elbow View Post
    Have any of your insurance policies changes from Obamacare? Anyone in here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elbow View Post
    Have any of your insurance policies changes from Obamacare? Anyone in here?
    As I've said before (although it might have been a different thread), my insurance changed within days of Obamacare being signed into law. Deductible went up to $10,000, so effectively my family has been without insurance for 3 years. I worked out a deal with my doctor to just pay cash and not worry about even trying to file claims. Unless there is a catastrophic illness/injury it's not even worth it.

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    I am covered under a union contract for this year, but we renegotiate next March. I am predicting that next year, when the employer mandate kicks in, I will see my rates rise in excess of 15% by a combination of higher costs to my employer and my employer taking on a smaller percentage of the bill. They currently pay 87%.

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    Im going to have to see more proof that Obama actually said he was sorry. Your sources are questionable.

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    To me its not more a debate, he lied, the internal memos show exactly what smart people like me and David, and Jimmy, and Sin have been saying on this site for 3 years. I wish I could go pull up the old HC debate threads just to pat myself on the back.

    EVERYONE with any business experience said this would happen, the whole "if you like your plan you can keep it" was such bullshit because they knew that the goal was to get people into the exchange. They were forcing insurance companies to cover things they werent covering before, and mandated minimum coverage which raises costs, and the companies were going to pass that along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    To me its not more a debate, he lied, the internal memos show exactly what smart people like me and David, and Jimmy, and Sin have been saying on this site for 3 years. I wish I could go pull up the old HC debate threads just to pat myself on the back.
    http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/...l#post38574052
    http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/...amacare-4.html
    http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/...re-reform.html
    http://www.importatlanta.com/forums/...l#post38930335

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