ok youre right, care wont change, everything will be perfect, doctors will voluntarily take paycuts to treat more patients (YEAH, give me MORE WORK FOR LESS PAY!), and you can ignore the fact that it costs money to cover more people, and you cannot tax enough people to pay for single payer.
With the rollout of the ACA, i cant wait to see single payer. Itll all be roses and rainbow farts
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Spoken like someone who knows absolutely nothing about medical school, it's job market, or economics. But it's not surprisingOriginally Posted by Vteckidd
And your point?
My point is irrelevant - the doctors that currently treat ill patients have a point that is relevant. If you read and comprehended the article, their point should be abundantly clear to you.
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Doctors are retiring, and are being replaced by more doctors.
So what's your point?
Is the cognitive dissonance painful?
My article:
A study shows that six in 10 physicians (62%) believe that it is likely many of their colleagues will retire earlier than planned - in the next 1 to 3 years (very soon). 55% of physicians believe the hospital-doctor relationship will suffer as admitting privileges are put at risk to comply with hospital standards of meaningful use.
Your article:
Applications to enter into initial studies in the medical field increased by 3.1% - which not all of them are studying to be doctors.
Do you realize that your article was not even related to the actual topic?
I have no idea if cognitive dissonance is painful - I'm not the one suffering from it.
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LOL i give up, this place has become not a place of discussion on honest debates anymore, its bullshit strawmen and ignoring facts.
I cant argue with someone who cant even fathom the simplest of economic policies.
*unsubscribed
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This just in. People who enroll in medical school aren't actually interested in working in the medical field at all
This just in, everyone who enrolls in medical school graduate and become doctors.
Theres a shortage of doctors, its the FIRST FUCKING LINE IN THE LINK YOU POSTED.
There will be shortages going forward. Its going to happen, and ill laugh when im right
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Why is it that your rhetoric doesn't stand up to the facts?
I'm trying to believe you guys, I really am, but what you're saying just doesn't seem to coincide with reality.
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So what we're saying is medical doctors are the only profession where the more customers you have, the less employees you need?
this 1 statement should end this conversation.
Do you buy "electronics" insurance before you go visit best buy?
The whole model of insurance would answer your question, but its clear you dont know how the system works.
Doctors make X
Hospitals charge Y
People buy insurance to be able to afford to pay the Doctors X
More patients= more risk.
Let me dumb it down, do you think having MORE teenage drivers would LOWER your rates or RAISE them. HINT: Teenage drivers cause more accidents, the income you bring in, in the form of premiums, doesnt cover $100,000 in damages a person can cause. Why do you think your rates get lower the older you get?
the opposite is true with health insurance.
So yes, doctors with more patients, would have to charge more because your $200.month premium =more care which costs more money. More risk=more cost=more money. you would need more doctors if it was beneficial for them to become doctors. But with single payer, you would cut their salaries because , why else would you have single payer? Single Payer would tell you what a Heart Surgeon should make regardless of what the private market says they are (Mainly because there is no private market)
its not a $1:1$ ratio like you think it is.
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That's all I needed to hear. Thank you.
My disabled mother's doctor told her that he no longer accepts medicaid, that she has to pay cash.
No worries..... i'll just tell her that medical school enrollment is up.
The other thing is the news coming out now that 4 times as many people are enrolling in the free medicaid than the individual insurance in the exchange. Basically, the individuals that go to the exchanges to buy healthcare are supposed to fund the medicaid people.
But it doesnt work when 4 times as many people want free healthcare vs paid.
Its Social Security all over again. Here comes the exploding deficits and out of control premiums costs going up.
Still waiting to see Blank post proof his premiums decreased
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I think it's morally reprehensible to deny someone healthcare based on their inability to pay. Especially since there isn't any law on the books anywhere requiring him to. I think it's even more reprehensible to do it under the guise of Obamacare. I'm sorry your grandmothers doctor is playing political games with her health.
It still won't prove anything other than the straw man that everyone's premiums increased is bullshit. That's something I and the rest of educated already know.
Wow. You claim that you understand economics and business, and then make that statement?
That doctor is not denying her healthcare - he is just stating the way that he must be compensated for his service. There was nothing said that she was unable to pay either - you assumed that all on your own. It is the same for any privately produced product or service in our American society. She can either agree to those terms or go to another doctor who provides those same services.
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so in your world Doctors dont set their prices, they work for free. I dont think you understand how medicare works. Doesnt surprise me you seem highly uneducated on basic healthcare system principles.
Cant prove what isnt true i suppose.It still won't prove anything other than the straw man that everyone's premiums increased is bullshit. That's something I and the rest of educated already know.
Also, never said EVERYONE, said as a whole premiums are rising, thats a true statement. Id love to see your premiums that you claim decreased even though you have the same coverage , deductible, and benefits. Put your money where your mouth is
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She wasn't denied care. She just has to pay cash now. Everything was fine before obama "helped".
You want to live in world where the government can force doctors into slavery to accommodate for those who can't pay?
Didn't suggest that either.
So what happens if doctors decide they want nothing to do with Obamacare and start opening cash only hospitals?
Medicare is a subsidy the govt pays for seniors, Obamacare is going to cut medicare payments to doctors to try and control costs. So what does the doctor do? He refuses medicare patients because if a private insurer pays you $200 for a procedure, and medicare says "you only need to make $50" the doctor will choose private insurers.
Its the doctors choice to choose what customers aka patients he wants to see. If their insurance doesnt pay his prices, they dont get care and they can go to someone "cheaper".
Welcome to ECON 101
Of the $716 billion in cuts, $415 billion come in the form of “updates to fee-for-service payment rates,” a euphemism for reducing Medicare’s payments to doctors and hospitals. But what happens when you reduce payments to doctors? Doctors stop being willing to see Medicare patients. And if you can’t actually get a doctor’s appointment, what does it really matter what your insurance plan covers on paper?
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LOL @ thinking doctors would be perfectly fine with turning their careers into a more "charity" type gig.
Amen. Common sense prevails.
It's amazing what this forum thinks they know about healthcare. LOL
It's amazing what you think that you know about healthcare, politics, economics, psychology, etc.... LOL
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Hardly. LOL.
Yeah. Obamacare is causing a global economic meltdown and mass doctor retiring. LMAO
I'm not saying Obamacare is causing a mass doctor retiring, but I know most doctors aren't going to be happy doing work for less. Would you?
What makes you a healthcare expert anyway?
Far from a healthcare expert actually. I do understand it's infinitely more complex than our buddy David and Apocalypsekidd are leading you to believe.
I never made any claim that it would cause a global economic meltdown, or anything even vaguely related. Get your facts straight, and don't try to make it sound like I said something that I never even alluded to.
The article stated that a study shows that doctors think that a large number of them will retire in the next 1-3 years. Do you think that you know better than the doctors themselves? Where is the source for your statements? Perhaps you are sitting on it?
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I havent seen anything about mass retirement, but that is a possibility, so is the fact that doctors may simply decide not to see anyone that receives insurance through Obamacare.
New York doctors flee Obamacare:
How about the general shortage of doctors in the US?
Obamacare Will Expose Doctor Shortage In The U.S., Put More Pressure On Exhausted Physicians (VIDEO)
David suggested doctors were retiring, at what he made seem was an alarming rate.
Ok. That's fine
But we're seeing an increase in med school applicants at the same time
Game Set Match
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hes referring to what i said that single payer would cause the economy to collapse, which I believe to be true. I stated why. Mass job loss, huge raise in taxes or massive deficit spending would tank the economy.
The amount in taxes they would have to charge to pay for healthcare would drive hundreds of thousands out of work, and run up huge deficits. Its really simple math.
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get your silly fox news facts out of here. Medical school applicants are up, all is well
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