Not much into out there yet but it sounds to me like the guy was trying to commit suicide by police and either got cold feet or the cops were level headed enough to talk before shooting.
As far as how he got into the building, sounds to me like he had some kind of believable excuse to be there. That shouldnt be too hard to come up with when dealing with govt employees.
White male 19 year old.
Starting to feel like if a underage kid can get a gun, we should charge his parents with something. just my .02
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He's an adult. Don't see where his parents come in to play....Originally Posted by Vteckidd
Mentally Ill 19 Year old, i want to know WHERE he got the gun from, and find out HOW. If it was from his parents, or someone else, they should be charged, HOW DO YOU NOT LOCK UP A AK47 WITH A MENTALLY ILL person in your hosue?
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No way, a shooting in Dekalb???? Didn't see that coming.
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also saying he is a convicted felon before this happened.
Anybody else get the irony that the parents had to have a photo ID to pick up their kids?
What if they were oppressed or disenfranchised? Blatant racism on behalf of Dekalb county.
Picking up your kids from school /= poll tax. Just throwing that out there.
none of that is a RIGHT guaranteed in the constitution, FYI.
VOTING is a RIGHT guaranteed by the Constitution, theres nothing (im aware of) that is in the Constitution that says you have to have an ID to vote.
Im totally in favor of people having an ID to vote FYI, but using the strawman of "you have to have an ID to do X=defacto Voter ID isnt a sound argument." IMo
What we should be asking is, I want to meet the people that vote WITHOUT ID and I want to see how they live day to day. Its virtually impossible IMO to live without a ID. You cant drive, you cant fly, you cant work, you cant do anything. I want to see the % of people without IDs who vote REGULARLY. I want to see the racial breakdown, the age differences, geographic areas, etc.
THEN, Id venture to say its less than .001% of the population
The Voter ID blowback is because of other more sinister reasons.
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I'd love to meet a lot of the people who voted for Obama without an ID also...... but unfortunately, a lot of them are dead.
The kid said he didn't know what he was doing and he was sorry and scared......This means Obama's Brain wash didnt work as it did the others.
Southern states are the hardest to convert to anti-Guns and his first attempt was a fail.
This forum is filled with straw men. No one anywhere has ever argued that asking for an ID to vote is racist, except for you.
Really? are you speaking on behalf of forum participants? No, YOU havnt said voter ID is racist.... but the party you relentlessly support is taking that stance.
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Can you give me one example of any party who's core belief is that asking for an ID to vote is racist? That isn't "common sense" or a gut feeling?"
After that, could you give me an example of me "relentlessly supporting" any party?
Does the NAACP or that other guy speak for themselves or for a specific party?
So, you're capable of recognizing an ideological shift that allegedly happened sometime in the 1900s, but you're incapable of recognizing how overwhelmingly democrat the NAACP is or that voter id law complaints are almost exclusively based on the argument that the NAACP just put forth?
For the record, do you agree with voter ID laws? why or why not?
Why does it matter what political party they subscribe to?
I agree with constitutional voter ID laws.
Help me understand the line which separates constitutional and unconstitutional voter ID laws
If the KKK overwhelmingly supports the Republican party, it doesn't make the Republican party white supremacists. So don't try to use the same logic against Democrats and their support from the NAACP or any other group.
The KKK (founded by democrats) has zero political pull. When republican candidates start attending KKK rallies to give speeches, i will devote attention to them.
The same exact line that would separate the constitutionality of anything.
It only took seven posts for this thread to get derailed into an argument about Voter ID laws. Vteck, thanks for your valiant effort to bring it back on topic.
LOL i try :P
To be honest this kid just sounds like he is seriously mentally challenged, unaware of reality.
But, I still want to know how a 19 year old mentally ill kid got a AK47 and 500+ rounds. If it belonged to someone he was living with, then Ill be REALLY pissed off at that irresponsible firearm owner.
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Totally agree. Anyone who walks into a school with a gun and starts shooting is pretty much guaranteed to be in a less than rational mental state. There wouldn't be much of a debate about gun laws if all gun owners were responsible gun owners though.
You shouldnt be allowed to be on the internet right now.... somewhere someone is uploading child porn.... because of this, nobody should have the internet.
But there is a difference between MENTALLY ILL and just EVIL. Mcveigh was evil, but he was sane. this kid sounds genuinely insane/mentally unstable right?
Theres a difference
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You should judge people on their beliefs, not on the beliefs of people who like them. That's all I am saying. If a Democrat believes in a position that you disagree with, then say that, don't use another group as a proxy though.
Are you under the impression I think we should outlaw gun ownership?
Could you give your definition of each. I don't believe in evil. If you feel good when committing "evil" acts are you not by definition mentally disturbed? If some people are evil, why should they ever be allowed to live free and thus possibly be a threat to society? Is it possible for an evil person to behave in a non-evil way? To me, the only relevant question is, is this person a threat to society and what actions if any are necessary/sufficient to keep them from being a threat in the future.
Yeah but I also don't think "He doesn't seem crazy" is the best criteria for making that judgement. McVeigh wasn't insane because he stated the reason for his killing was political. He bombed a federal building in retaliation for the federal handling of Waco and Ruby Ridge. So while his thought process is despicable it is clearly rational.
I agree with you on the statement about not believing in evil and i think you answered the question of "what is the definition of evil" in this post. Evil is just a way to explain the unexplainable. If we dont understand why someone did something, we call it evil. If a man came home to find his cheating wife and stabbed her 50 times, we would call it murder, not evil. If a man just randomly decided to stab a woman 50 times, we would call it evil, because we dont understand the causation of that action.
To mcveigh it was rational , to us its not.
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Doesn't that also apply to a lot of mental illness though? We can't explain why this person acts in an unexplainable way so we call them crazy.
No I didn't say anyone who kills is insane. I said anyone who kills with no logical reason is insane. That's a very important distinction.
No it is completely logical to me. An entity (in this case the federal government) did something he believed was wrong and in return he bombed a building belonging to that entity. That's logical. Terrible, but logical.
I personally view evil as a religious term. "mental illness" would be the scientific explanation for "evil". I dont think understanding mental illness will ever lead to preventing tragedies, at least not in a manner in which people would be willing to accept. Life is hard, some people are more or less equip to deal with various obstacles in life, but i dont think there's a reasonably accurate way to predict when someone is going to go crazy. The threshold for what makes a person snap is all over the map and i feel every single person on the planet has at least *some* potential to snap. Safety and freedom are on opposite sides of the scale, i dont believe there's a way to have both.
I agree with all that except the last statement. Sure absolute safety is not possible but not everything that increases safety decreases freedom and vice versa.
you see the conundrum though.
You said anyone who kills is insane, but then we both agree that Mcviegh wasnt, in the eyes of the law, insane
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