How Muslims handle rape charges.
Story sounds like there is more to what is being told so i would say the bitch guilty
That's how Muslims operate.... if you get raped, guilty until proven innocent.... by 4 men.Originally Posted by -EnVus-
News flash, women are treated worse than men in some places in the world. Oh and don't forget to judge all muslims based on this. Wouldn't want anyone to think there is a diversity of opinion amongst that billion plus person group.
I judge all muslims based on the content of the religion they chose to follow.
Niger: Muslim leader defends child marriage -- "We Muslims have the right to marry when we want or give out our daughters at any age we want"
Few things are more abundantly attested in Islamic law than the permissibility of child marriage. Islamic tradition records that Muhammad’s favorite wife, Aisha, was six when Muhammad wedded her and nine when he consummated the marriage:
“The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)” (Bukhari 7.62.88).
Another tradition has Aisha herself recount the scene:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah’s Blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Bukhari 5.58.234).
Muhammad was at this time fifty-four years old.
Marrying young girls was not all that unusual for its time, but because in Islam Muhammad is the supreme example of conduct (cf. Qur’an 33:21), he is considered exemplary in this unto today. And so in April 2011, the Bangladesh Mufti Fazlul Haque Amini declared that those trying to pass a law banning child marriage in that country were putting Muhammad in a bad light: “Banning child marriage will cause challenging the marriage of the holy prophet of Islam… [putting] the moral character of the prophet into controversy and challenge.” He added a threat: “Islam permits child marriage and it will not be tolerated if any ruler will ever try to touch this issue in the name of giving more rights to women.” The Mufti said that 200,000 jihadists were ready to sacrifice their lives for any law restricting child marriage.
Likewise the influential website Islamonline.com in December 2010 justified child marriage by invoking not only Muhammad’s example, but the Qur’an as well:
The Noble Qur’an has also mentioned the waiting period [i.e. for a divorced wife to remarry] for the wife who has not yet menstruated, saying: “And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women—if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated” [Qur’an 65:4]. Since this is not negated later, we can take from this verse that it is permissible to have sexual intercourse with a prepubescent girl. The Qur’an is not like the books of jurisprudence which mention what the implications of things are, even if they are prohibited. It is true that the prophet entered into a marriage contract with A’isha when she was six years old, however he did not have sex with her until she was nine years old, according to al-Bukhari.
Other countries make Muhammad’s example the basis of their laws regarding the legal marriageable age for girls. Article 1041 of the Civil Code of the Islamic Republic of Iran states that girls can be engaged before the age of nine, and married at nine: “Marriage before puberty (nine full lunar years for girls) is prohibited. Marriage contracted before reaching puberty with the permission of the guardian is valid provided that the interests of the ward are duly observed.”
Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini himself married a ten-year-old girl when he was twenty-eight. Khomeini called marriage to a prepubescent girl “a divine blessing,” and advised the faithful to give their own daughters away accordingly: “Do your best to ensure that your daughters do not see their first blood in your house.” When he took power in Iran, he lowered the legal marriageable age of girls to nine, in accord with Muhammad’s example.
"CHILD MARRIAGE OUR RIGHT AS MUSLIMS, Dokubo tells critics, says 'It is not your business,'" from The Nigeria Today, July 20 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
Asari Dokubo Defends Under-aged Marriage Law In Nigeria… “We Muslims Can Marry Girls Of Any Age”. A prominent Niger Delta Muslim, Alhaji Mujahid Abubakar Dokubo-Asari, has lashed out at critics of the moves by Nigeria’s Senate to approve under-age marriage.
Expressing his opinion on the issue this morning, Dokubo, who converted to Islam as an adult, insisted that it is the right of Muslims to marry or give out their daughters at any age they wish, adding that this is not the business of non-Muslims.
Said the Niger Delta Peoples Volunteer Force (NDPVF) leader through Facebook:
“People should learn to respect other people’s sensibilities…We Muslims have the right to marry when we want or give out our daughters at any age we want. It is not your business and the law must respect our right to do so. Anything short of that is an infringement on our rights. We did not ask you to marry ladies of that age or give your daughters out in marriage at that age. Plzzzzzzzz respect our sensibilities.”
The Nigerian Senate has come under fire from outraged Nigerians and the international community after being convinced by Senator Ahmad Yarima to drop a constitutional amendment outlawing marriage to girls under 18. The former Zamfara State governor who once came under fire for marrying a girl believed to be aged 13 had argued that Islam recognises under-age marriage.
So BU, when muslims in america say their right to marry a 6 year old girl is according to their religious belief, what is an america that just legalized gay marriage going to say?
Even if that were a tenet of that religion, a Muslim in America would not have that right.
So what in the world does marrying 6 year olds have anything to do with two consenting adults getting married?
First of all I would say, reading some news headlines particularly from conservative American perspectives does not a Muslim scholar make.
First, let's take a poll of all muslims in America and see how many agree marrying a 6 year old is a right. You imply it is 100%, I would venture it's much closer to 0%. I really have no idea what it has to do with gay marriage though.
Koran permits lying to deceive for the betterment of islam. So are we to believe muslims when they say they dont believe in the radical parts of the religion even when the book specifically says to lie on behalf of islam?
Are you disputing that the koran is radical or are you taking the approach that most muslims simply do not believe in the koran?
Who do you think is to blame for the chaos that surrounds every nation that is predominantly islamic? explain it to me..... offer up your case that would remove the blame from muslims themselves.
So you can confidently say that muslims would never have that right in the united states? if so.... well then gee golly... that's a relief....
but just for the sake of argument.... what if this issue ever went to vote and passed?
I really don't even want to entertain such a fantastic, illogical argument.
But for your sake of argument, an overwhelming majority of your representatives, congress, judges, and the president, republicans and democrats, who are overwhelmingly Christians, would all have to agree that its in the best interest of our society to allow 6 year olds to get married, and would have to radically alter the constitution to make it happen. By that point, an overwhelming majority of the population, who are also overwhelmingly Christian, would also have to support the idea.
Theoretically speaking............
lets say something crazy happened, like we had a president that wanted to bring millions of muslims to the united states and grant them amnesty. Then lets say this group of muslims starts a civil rights organization and fights for their religious rights. So it goes up for vote to legalize marrying an underage girl and passes. Would muslims not have this right in the united states?
or... are you saying that regardless of what various groups say about a given topic, the core values and traditions of america will continue to be upheld? you know... things like the bill of rights or the sanctity of marriage?
OK, so lets say that the majority of our representatives vote against it.... the people vote against it........ and president appointed judges decide that prohibiting muslim's religious freedom is unconstitutional.... then could muslims have the right to marry a 6 year old girl in the US??
theoretically speaking of course.... i know things like this never happen.
I just told you what that would be up against, so if it passed through insurmountable odds, then obviously they, and everyone else in America would have the right to marry 6 year olds and the American people would overwhelmingly support it,
Tax advantages to strictly heterosexual couples has nothing to do with the sanctity of marriage and isn't in the bill of rights. Heterosexuality isn't a core value of America either.or... are you saying that regardless of what various groups say about a given topic, the core values and traditions of america will continue to be upheld? you know... things like the bill of rights or the sanctity of marriage?
So in theory, a group of people who do not uphold any american value can come to america, become a majority and vote away any american value that they want? True or false....
There should be no tax advantages for anyone regardless of who you put your penis in at night.... but with that said.... "one nation under god". Marriage as it is in america is a christian institution.... which does not support homosexuality.
Blank, answer a series of yes or no questions please.
Can money dictate the outcome of an election?
Can a majority vote away a constitutional right?
Is oil the primary export of middle eastern countries?
Is the united states the world's largest consumer of oil?
Would the united states being self sufficient with it's oil consumption damage middle eastern economies?
If Muslims became a majority in the united states, could they vote to change the constitution?
I don't even get what you're trying to suggest? Gays uphold equality, blacks uphold equality, both were minorities, what American value does marrying a 6 year old uphold that trumps that 6 year olds liberty? What American value did blacks and gays vote away? Bigotry? Either they did a fantastic job because they're now more equal in the eyes of the law, or they did a shitty job because you've shown that someone somewhere somehow can spin it into their own personal tragedy, deserving of empathy and national support, and through their ignorance, they proudly wear a badge of true American patriotism. Pretty fucking disgusting if you ask me.
So no. Muslims aren't all baby rapers, its not going to become a right in anyone's lifetime, and it is incomparable to gay marriage in any facet.
Simple answer:No
Simple answer: No
Don't know
Don't know
Don't know, don't care
No
The only link to gay marriage is that the people did in fact vote AGAINST it and the court upheld it anyways. So, with political influence, muslims could render a result that was against the will of the people, is this not correct?
Theoretically speaking....... lets say something crazy happened, like we had a muslim president who appointed other muslims to his cabinet and then they appointed judges who would rule in their favor....
With political influence could muslims not some day gain the right for their religious laws to be honored in the united states? the same way homosexuals have? them being a minority and having the vote of the majority against them?
I'm confused now.... so in a democracy, the people do not have the right to vote and change the constitution? or vote and change laws in america?
We don't live in a democracy.
Do you think we live in a single tiered system where one section of government has 100% influence on American life?
So my rights will never be voted away by a majority??
this is great news.... i feel so much better now.
How many sections of government decided to make gay marriage legal?
Why are you ignoring the questions...????
That feeling you get when you're thinking of the answers, but it goes against everything you believe in..... that's cognitive dissonance.
All 3. Every time.
What question did I ignore? The answer is probably no.Why are you ignoring the questions...????
That feeling you get when you're thinking of the answers, but it goes against everything you believe in..... that's cognitive dissonance.
Muslims can't come over here and start imposing theyre own laws.
A Muslim majority cant vote for the religious rights and civil liberties accustomed to them?
They already have them. Muslims are already free to practice their religion in America however they want, as long as it doesn't impose on someone else's liberties. That's the deal.
Since 6 year olds can't give consent, make rational decisions, and endorse legal contracts, it would be an infringement on that child's liberty to be married.
Ok.... go back and read that big bold "muslim response" that i posted..... Show me one area of the world where Muslim's embrace any other culture's religious beliefs.
Would i be safe to protest islam and inform people of my religious belief in any predominantly islamic country?
Anywhere a Muslim would assimilate?
I suppose that would be up to the host countries laws on freedom of speech, huh? But what does that have to do with America?Would i be safe to protest islam and inform people of my religious belief in any predominantly islamic country?
It has to do with america because Muslims dont want to come to america to embrace our values.... they want to expand their own. Nothing about Islam teaches tolerance of other beliefs.
Your argument isn't holding up. There are about 8 or 9 million American Muslims who are in America who have embraced American values. Can you convince me that more than half of those don't want to embrace American values?
And could you also show how your argument is specific to this one religion?
Koran specifically instructs muslims to lie to and deceive opposition for the purpose of infiltrating and ruling over them. If you want to see how muslims embrace american values, look to any country where they are not regulated by american law or where they are the predominant religious presence.
So what? Most of our politicians, and 90% of our population adhere to a pretty barbaric religious text themselves. Maybe you've heard of it.
If your arguing about Muslims assimating to American culture, why does it matter what the Muslims who have NOT assimilated into American culture are doing abroad?
This thread makes my brain hurt. Shockingly, I agree with blank. Like he said, I'm more worried about the dirty Mexicans taking over than Muslims. :trollface:
Not me........ I'd much rather have mexicans than muslims.This thread makes my brain hurt. Shockingly, I agree with blank. Like he said, I'm more worried about the dirty Mexicans taking over than Muslims. :trollface:
No you don't have to believe their words but I find that their actions are a reliable indicator.
I've never read a religious text that wasn't radical and the Koran is no exception. I think for any religious text, the Koran included, it's followers interpret and live out it's tenets in a variety of ways. To put it in Christian terms, MLK and Westboro Baptist Church both strongly believe in the bible.
Well there are over 50 countries who are predominately Muslim and I would hardly say they are all in chaos. I can't make such a sweeping generalization to what the cause is of the problems in all those countries. There are a variety of factors and certainly beyond my depth of knowledge. Is part of it due to people's interpretation of Islam? Yes, but I won't condemn all muslims based on the actions of a minor portion. There are far too many Muslims live respectably for me to say that.
She was Pardoned so END THREAD/
We're of a like mind when it comes to religion in general, but i dont see how you're not drawing a comparison to muslims of today to the crusading christians of the past. The modern day christian has been subdued and learned to cope with the ever changing society around them. They still grumble from time to time, but ultimately, they're pretty tolerant of nonchristians. Muslims are very anti-western culture and theyre at war with our way of living. If you had a to put a % on it, what % of the world's genocide do you think is on behalf of Islam? The media should do more to show the world how Muslims treat women and children. It scares me to try and understand the reasoning for being tolerant of this radical and violent religion.
Time to move on to one of the other 295782375892375892758923789572589 raped, tortured, disfigured or murdered women in the name of Islam.
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