Zimmerman verdict

[whatever210]

I don't care who started it. Both sides are wrong to do it.



Well if you are making up your own definition of who a child is and who isn't then sure, you can say anyone is an adult but the standard definition is 18 years old.



The standard definition is 18 years old and under are minors aka kids aka children. If calling him an adult makes you feel better, then go for it. To me, the label "kid" doesn't affect how I feel about what happened at all. It has no bearing on whether Zimmerman was justified in what he did or not.

Your misunderstanding my point. This has nothing to do with this case. If a 17 year old shots a clerk at a gas station and kills them. They don't charge them like a juvenile. They charge them as a adult

[bu villain]

Your misunderstanding my point. This has nothing to do with this case. If a 17 year old shots a clerk at a gas station and kills them. They don't charge them like a juvenile. They charge them as a adult

That is true but I don't think that is particularly relevant here. Trayvon isn't on trial. He is under 18 and thus a minor in the laws eyes. It's just a definition and doesn't say anything about Trayvon's actions on the night in question. The only reason to say he isn't a kid is to try and make it seem like him being killed is some how less significant.

[whatever210]

That is true but I don't think that is particularly relevant here. Trayvon isn't on trial. He is under 18 and thus a minor in the laws eyes. It's just a definition and doesn't say anything about Trayvon's actions on the night in question. The only reason to say he isn't a kid is to try and make it seem like him being killed is some how less significant.

So they get to pick and choose between a 17 year old is a juvenile or adult in a certain cases.

[bu villain]

Trayvon was a kid (minor), kids do stupid things. Doesnt mean he should be shot and killed. Trayvon may have overreacted and been a thug, but hes 17, Zimmerman should have waited in his car for the proper authorities to show up. Let them deal with the kid.

Again, I completely agree. Some people seem to think that if you didn't break any laws then you didn't do anything wrong. I disagree.

So they get to pick and choose between a 17 year old is a juvenile or adult in a certain cases.

I understand what you are saying but kids as young as 13 or 14 have been tried as adults. That doesn't make them adults. It just means their trials and sentencing are handled the way an adult's trial and sentencing is handled.

[whatever210]

Again, I completely agree. Some people seem to think that if you didn't break any laws then you didn't do anything wrong. I disagree.



I understand what you are saying but kids as young as 13 or 14 have been tried as adults. That doesn't make them adults. It just means their trials and sentencing are handled the way an adult's trial and sentencing is handled.

If they make adult decision to kill or hurt somebody they should be held like adults.

[bu villain]

If they make adult decision to kill or hurt somebody they should be held like adults.

That's fine but they are still kids. As I said before, "kid" is not a term reserved for young people with good behavior. There can be murderous kids.

[Vteckidd]

Ill give you an example ive used before.

I live in downtown Atlanta, and numerous times, have been hassled by homeless guys usually drunk or high. Usually none of them are aggressive, just looking for food or money, or attention. One night I left my condo to go walk my dog. I live RIGHT next to the World Of Coke and Centennial Park, hardly "ghetto". MAJOR tourist and movie filming area. Well theres a little grassy area next to my building that is the "dog walking area". It is also surrounded by trees and a cement slab our generator is on.

While standing there waiting, I hear a rustle in the bushes. A white man stumbles out mumbling to someone else that was back there (I assume). He looks at me and my German Shepherd and I can tell hes drunk/high. He walks towards me and says "nice dog, let me pet her".

I respond "sorry sir, shes not very friendly with strangers"

He says "neither am I" and proceeds to walk aggressively toward me. My dog senses im worried at this point, theres no one on the street , she cowers down into attack mode and I back up 2 steps toward the street and lighting. I repeat, "please stay back, she is not friendly"

He replies "why do you have to be an asshole, let me pet the fucking dog"

I YELL "STAY BACK OR WE WILL HAVE A PROBLEM, IVE ASKED YOU TWICE." and at which point I back pedal and move quickly across the street (never turning my back) and keep an eye on him. He gives up and walks up the street. He never knew I had a .40 inside my shirt on my waist. There was no reason to, while i was worried, I tried to avoid confrontation as much as possible. Had he ran at me, thing would have ended differently probably. But, had i drawn down the second he walked toward me, things may have ended different as well.

[Sinfix_15]

Ill give you an example ive used before.

I live in downtown Atlanta, and numerous times, have been hassled by homeless guys usually drunk or high. Usually none of them are aggressive, just looking for food or money, or attention. One night I left my condo to go walk my dog. I live RIGHT next to the World Of Coke and Centennial Park, hardly "ghetto". MAJOR tourist and movie filming area. Well theres a little grassy area next to my building that is the "dog walking area". It is also surrounded by trees and a cement slab our generator is on.

While standing there waiting, I hear a rustle in the bushes. A white man stumbles out mumbling to someone else that was back there (I assume). He looks at me and my German Shepherd and I can tell hes drunk/high. He walks towards me and says "nice dog, let me pet her".

I respond "sorry sir, shes not very friendly with strangers"

He says "neither am I" and proceeds to walk aggressively toward me. My dog senses im worried at this point, theres no one on the street , she cowers down into attack mode and I back up 2 steps toward the street and lighting. I repeat, "please stay back, she is not friendly"

He replies "why do you have to be an asshole, let me pet the fucking dog"

I YELL "STAY BACK OR WE WILL HAVE A PROBLEM, IVE ASKED YOU TWICE." and at which point I back pedal and move quickly across the street (never turning my back) and keep an eye on him. He gives up and walks up the street. He never knew I had a .40 inside my shirt on my waist. There was no reason to, while i was worried, I tried to avoid confrontation as much as possible. Had he ran at me, thing would have ended differently probably. But, had i drawn down the second he walked toward me, things may have ended different as well.

Perception is everything and as an individual you have the right to perceive danger. Based on your perception of danger, you respond in the way you sit fit in regards to your own safety.

[bu villain]

Perception is everything and as an individual you have the right to perceive danger. Based on your perception of danger, you respond in the way you sit fit in regards to your own safety.

That is true but your perceptions aren't above question. Your fears must be reasonable in the eyes of a jury or you will be going to jail no matter how justified you felt at the time. It must be that way or else anyone could kill anyone else and claim the person threatened them verbally.