So what about NBC isn't a major news outlet?Originally Posted by David88vert
I forgot. The story changes when it doesn't suit your narrative. Lol.
So what about NBC isn't a major news outlet?
I forgot. The story changes when it doesn't suit your narrative. Lol.
'Lookout List' Not Much Broader Than Originally Thought, Contrary to Reports | National Review Online
I looked again - a popup from that page hid the top part. MSNBC is definitely a major news outlet.
I don't watch MSNBC usually. So, Willie Geist is your quotation source? I usually go with more well-known sources that people recognize.
The narrative never has changed on the IRS issue. Lerner repeatedly lied and said that the BOLO list didn't exist, or was already pulled and not being used, yet we now know it was used up until last month. ProPublica has publically stated numerous times that they were sent 9 conservative group applications - that hasn't changed either. Lerner specifically lied about this, and that has been consistent as well. We have not heard of any liberal groups applications being sent to a conservative news group, unless you have some special privileged information not available to any news outlets.
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Arguing with a liberal is like a child running around the back yard chasing chickens with a badminton racket, and every time they take a swipe at one and miss they wave their hands in the air and shout "I WON!"...lol
Do you often chase chickens around with a badminton racket?
"...it is inaccurate to say that progressive and liberal groups were subjected to the same or similar scrutiny as tea-party groups, or even that a surprisingly broad array of criteria was applied to screen applications for tax exemption."
Exactly what has been stated all along.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
We all do.... you "chickens" are everywhere and you wont STFU or get out of our yard.
so tired of being right all the time.
Treasury IG: Liberal groups weren't targeted by IRS like Tea Party - The Hill's On The Money
BlankCD - " what's that you say? the organization in question investigated itself and found no wrong doing? seems legit "
17,560 documents posted regarding the IRS targeting conservatives*************
BlankCD - "need more evidence, not conclusive... dont believe it"
2 people at a bus station say liberal groups were targeted***************
BlankCD - " see, i told you so! i'm always right! <insert misplaced big word here> look how smart i am <insert misplaced psychological term here> "
Cat in the hat was harder to read than you.
Your cognitive bias is showing, BTW.
on cue and as delusional as advertised.....
Blankcd ladies and gentlemen.....
"I respectfully decline to answer any questions and invoke my Fifth Amendment privilege to remain silent," - Gregory Roseman, Deputy IRS Director involved in awarding IRS contracts
IRS official refuses to testify before Congress - chicagotribune.com
Senior IRS manager invokes Fifth Amendment right before House committee | Fox News
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
You believe that you know more than the IRS auditor who has been working this case? LOL
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
You must've not read the articles he posted did you? LOL. Typical.
Either that or you only read what you wanted to hear from it.
"The IRS‘ auditor told Congress this week that it stands by its determination that conservative groups were uniquely singled out for special scrutiny by the tax agency, rebutting Democrats’ contention that liberal groups also were targeted."
What part of that statement do you not understand?
In case the IRS auditor isn't enough for you, how about the new acting head of the IRS also saying the same thing - that you are wrong.
"The acting head of the Internal Revenue Service said Thursday that no evidence has emerged that liberal groups came under the same kind of extra scrutiny as some conservative groups when the agency assessed their applications for tax-exempt status."
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/27/politi...html?hpt=po_c2
Just admit it - you thought that you were right, and now you know that you were wrong.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
I'm starting to believe that Blank's posts are a cry for help. His use of psychological terms are far too self descriptive to be coincidence. I think he's reaching out for our support.
Maybe this is how mental illness begins..... we should try to help blank before it's too late.
Blank, do you have any guns in your home?
God damn. Right after I call you out on cherry picking, you go right in the very next post and do it again.
You cherry-picked Daniel Werfel's original report, and claimed that you were always right. Now, Werfel admits that your conclusion (and his) was not correct, and that it was only an initial investigation (he stated this before Congress today), yet when I point that out, you cry foul.
I am laughing at your hypocrisy and idiocy.
Just so you don't claim cherry-picking, here is the whole start of the article, verbatim:
"The acting head of the Internal Revenue Service said Thursday that no evidence has emerged that liberal groups came under the same kind of extra scrutiny as some conservative groups when the agency assessed their applications for tax-exempt status.
An initial report on the IRS targeting scandal made public this week by Daniel Werfel, the IRS principal deputy commissioner, led to the disclosure that IRS workers flagged liberal groups as well as conservative groups in trying to determine if applicants were eligible for the tax-exempt status available to social welfare organizations.
Under tough questioning Thursday at a congressional hearing, Werfel acknowledged that no evidence so far showed liberal groups faced the same kind of delays and questioning that some conservative groups faced.
Werfel repeatedly noted that his internal investigation was incomplete and that groups that have waited more than 120 days for an answer to their requests for a tax break included a diverse range of political leanings.
His report released Monday said five managers had been replaced and other steps taken in response to an inspector general's audit that found the agency targeted conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status.
Werfel's report also said no evidence has emerged so far that the targeting was politically motivated or that anyone outside the tax agency had a role in it."
The backpedaling commences....
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
It really is comical at this point.....
Either Blank is intentionally trolling or is just one dumb SOB.
Everyone is.
Or both?
I got free clear tails with my ride.....
Facepalm.
Actually, the Democrats and you got the backhand from TIGTA.
"The IRS‘ auditor told Congress this week that it stands by its determination that conservative groups were uniquely singled out for special scrutiny by the tax agency, rebutting Democrats’ contention that liberal groups also were targeted.
The Treasury Department’s inspector general for tax administration (TIGTA) sent a letter Wednesday to congressional Democrats telling them that while several liberal groups may have gotten extra scrutiny, the IRS didn’t necessarily target those — but it did do so for conservative groups."
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Did you read why it targeted conservative groups? It said why in the article
They're operating with the same intentions of this cow.
So, now you agree that the IRS targeted conservative groups. That's a start.
From the article: "targeting of applications that contained conservative-themed words such as "tea party."
"At the heart of the matter is what kind of organization can qualify for tax-exempt status. Regulations limit such status to groups primarily involved in social welfare activities, while political groups are considered ineligible.
Confusion over defining what constitutes political activity versus social welfare activity contributed to the targeting by the IRS, Werfel said.
An IRS statement Monday said the "safe-harbor" option for self-certification would apply to groups that "certify they devote 60% or more of both their spending and time on activities that promote social welfare."
"At the same time, they must certify that political campaign intervention involves 40% or less of both their spending and time," the statement said. Applicants meeting those thresholds would get approval within two weeks of seeking self-certification, it said."
And don't forget:
“TIGTA concluded that inappropriate criteria were used to identify potential political cases for extra scrutiny — specifically, the criteria listed in our audit report. From our audit work, we did not find evidence that the criteria you identified, labeled “Progressives,” were used by the IRS to select potential political cases during the 2010 to 2012 timeframe we audited,” Inspector General J. Russell George said.
He said that while 30 percent of groups that had the word “progressive” in their name were given extra scrutiny, 100 percent of groups with “tea party,” “patriot” or “9/12” in their names were pulled out for strict scrutiny, which involved what the IRS since has said were invasive and inappropriate questions.
“While we have multiple sources of information corroborating the use of tea party and other related criteria we described in our report, including employee interviews, e-mails, and other documents, we found no indication in any of these other materials that ‘progressives’ was a term used to refer cases for scrutiny for political campaign intervention,” Mr. George wrote.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
The IRS targets those who seek to diminish the power of the IRS. Their agenda is self preservation.
What about what it said happened right after campaign finance reform...?
I'll have to assume that you meant the following from the article - note that it is the Democrats that made the claim, and it has been refuted by the IRS auditor, and was clarified this morning by the person on whom the Democrats based that statement. The entire article is specifically addressing these claims, which means that you could not comprehend what you read, and completely missed the point of the entire article.
Democrats have argued that the IRS‘ scrutiny of applications for tax-exempt status hit both ideological sides equally, which would cut at the GOP’s argument that it was politically motivated. Instead, Democrats have said the scrutiny is the natural result of a jump in applications after campaign finance rules changed following the Supreme Court’s ruling in the Citizens United case.
But Mr. George’s letter suggests that’s not the case.
“While we have multiple sources of information corroborating the use of tea party and other related criteria we described in our report, including employee interviews, e-mails, and other documents, we found no indication in any of these other materials that ‘progressives’ was a term used to refer cases for scrutiny for political campaign intervention,” Mr. George wrote.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
I think it's you that has the problem with reading comprehension. And you keep thinking how the article tells you to think. Stop that.
The article only mentioned "progressives" out of all the key words that described liberal groups, then mentioned 3 or 4 to refer to conservative groups. What about the rest of the key words that apply to liberal groups? 30% of progressives, what percent of other key words like occupy and liberty. What percent of those organizations with the conservative key words "patriots" and "freedom" were in fact liberal organizations?
Are you suggesting that the change of campaign finance laws had absolutely nothing to do with the rise of 501 applications by conservatives groups during the same exact period of time, and that this rise in applications of groups with conservative keywords had nothing to do with increased scrutiny thereof? That it was indeed politically motivated and thus the campaign finance reform was simply a consequence of timing, despite hard evidence to the contrary?
This is what I'm talking about. You only think how you're told to think by the article. And you're notorious for it. Look at what the article isn't telling you.
I'm simply looking at the facts being presented to Congress by those actually involved in the investigation. I am not speculating like you are using party platform supporting rhetoric. That is the difference between you and I. I'm about facts, and you're about excuses. I read multiple articles from major media outlets, but you only can manage to read one or two lines from one - and then you don't understand what you just read.
To show that you really don't comprehend what you read, see your own statement that I have underlined above, and then compare it to what was really stated:
He said that while 30 percent of groups that had the word “progressive” in their name were given extra scrutiny, 100 percent of groups with “tea party,” “patriot” or “9/12” in their names were pulled out for strict scrutiny, which involved what the IRS since has said were invasive and inappropriate questions.
The reality is that the evidence being presented to Congress by your original source, Daniel Werfel, shows that the conservative organizations were targeted while the liberal ones were not:
"Under tough questioning Thursday at a House Ways and Means Committee hearing, Werfel acknowledged that the different BOLO categories meant liberal groups avoided the extra scrutiny cited by the inspector general that included processing delays and extensive questions perceived by conservatives as political intimidation."
I'm still waiting for your excuses as to why 9 conservative group applications were sent to ProPublica.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
It's like Im talking to a brick wall that doesn't understand English here.
Do you realize that you are the only one here that doesn't understand what the articles clearly state?
The letter from George stated:
"In total, 30 percent of the organizations we identified with the words 'progress' or 'progressive' in their names were processed as potential political cases," George wrote. "In comparison, our audit found that 100 percent of the tax-exempt applications with Tea Party, Patriots, or 9/12 in their names were processed as potential political cases" during the audit's time frame.
Last edited by David88vert; 06-27-2013 at 07:36 PM.
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Obama to americans - "reject the voices that tyranny is always around the corner" "if americans cant trust their government, we're gonna have some problems"
Obama to africans - "be wary of foreign powers, even the united states"
Obama to Africa: Be wary of foreign powers, even United States - Washington Times
Would be nice if Obama would just stay in Africa and be wary of the US.
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