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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    If reality mean believing in your gun control fairy tales, I hope I never see that day.
    My "fairy tale" is the world as it is.... and always has been. This country wasnt founded based on your vision for what it should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Thank you. All I needed to know

    Do you see yet where you're going in a circle with this?
    You ignore what you do not want to know. That's not the sign of an intellectual person - or one that studies science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    You ignore what you do not want to know. That's not the sign of an intellectual person - or one that studies science.
    Didnt ignore anything. Just pointing out that the highlighted part was all I needed to know.

    Did you notice where you going in a circle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    Didnt ignore anything. Just pointing out that the highlighted part was all I needed to know.

    Did you notice where you going in a circle?
    I wasn't going in a circle. I gave you your requested information and some relevant observations. I then posed a question, which you ignored answering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    I wasn't going in a circle. I gave you your requested information and some relevant observations. I then posed a question, which you ignored answering.
    A question I already answered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    A question I already answered.
    I don't believe that I asked that question to you before. Additionally, you said you were confused, perhaps your opinion could have changed with your confusion?

    Here's a different question though that I know you haven't answered before.

    Look at the video of Obama's news conference from today. Look at Biden in the background. Doesn't he look just like Jeff Dunham's character, Walter?

    Someone asks why we need gun control.
    I can see Biden saying it now - "Shut the hell up!", then wait a second, "Dumbass."




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    I love Walter. He is who I hope to be at his age.


    Another question. Who is that big SOB behind Obama? I dont think I wanna mess with him. He looks violent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elbow View Post
    OK someone help me out, why was the gun bill not passed and what was the big deal? Was it not just for more strict background checks?
    The reason why it didnt pass was because DEMOCRATS didnt want it. Remember the DEMS OWN the Senate. THe measure was not about background checks SOLELY, it was about banning certain assualt weapons which is a non starter.

    If 90% of americans truly supported Gun Control like Obama claims, then this is an EASY bill to pass. But again, hes wrong, and quotes 1 poll out of 100 that show otherwise.
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    The other thing i find funny is how they parade the 1 guy who is from newtown that is for gun control, but completely ignore the 10s of others that came out AGAINST gun control.

    They act like that 1 guy is the voice for all the victims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy View Post
    I love Walter. He is who I hope to be at his age.
    You want to be a puppet with some guys hand up your rear end, and with someone else talking for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy View Post
    I love Walter. He is who I hope to be at his age.


    Another question. Who is that big SOB behind Obama? I dont think I wanna mess with him. He looks violent.
    They called for blackup to help show how angry they were, as if Biden's over exaggerated facial expressions didnt do the trick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    The reason why it didnt pass was because DEMOCRATS didnt want it. Remember the DEMS OWN the Senate. THe measure was not about background checks SOLELY, it was about banning certain assualt weapons which is a non starter.
    4 Republicans voted for the background check bill. 4 Democrats voted against it. If all 4 of those Democrats had voted with the rest of the party, they would have been only 58-42, still not enough votes to get it out of the Senate. They needed 6 Republicans and all of the Democrats to send it to the House - just like with any other bill on any other subject.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    If 90% of americans truly supported Gun Control like Obama claims, then this is an EASY bill to pass. But again, hes wrong, and quotes 1 poll out of 100 that show otherwise.
    Bing - any bill that has 90%of the public support it will easily pass, everytime. It's funny how we don't see 90% of people supporting it on any of the forums, FB, etc. - if anything, its the exact opposite on this forum. Do you really believe that all of the older people who aren't on the internet are 100% for banning these rifles - you know, the old ones that actually grew up shooting rifles?

    Obama is right, someone has been willfully lying - but that is his own administration that has been putting forth a lot of lies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    I don't believe that I asked that question to you before. Additionally, you said you were confused, perhaps your opinion could have changed with your confusion?

    Here's a different question though that I know you haven't answered before.

    Look at the video of Obama's news conference from today. Look at Biden in the background. Doesn't he look just like Jeff Dunham's character, Walter?

    Someone asks why we need gun control.
    I can see Biden saying it now - "Shut the hell up!", then wait a second, "Dumbass."




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    Quote Originally Posted by Elbow View Post
    Good.
    I agree...... let the tyrants reveal themselves to the world.

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    I wonder ... which Watertown residents feel safer right now.....

    the ones that have legal assault style weapons, or the ones without ....

    considering that a bomber with a gun could try to enter any house around there right now ....

    and considering that they aren't allowed to leave the area right now, and are possibly on lockdown with the madman....


    Even with 9,000 officers in the Watertown area, the residents still are the line of defense for their own families. I hope that all of the residents are prepared to defend themselves, and I hope that it does not come to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    I wonder ... which Watertown residents feel safer right now.....

    the ones that have legal assault style weapons, or the ones without ....

    considering that a bomber with a gun could try to enter any house around there right now ...
    I think it's also fair to say that in the event of a break in, an assault style weapon probably wouldn't be the first, or even best choice of defense in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    I think it's also fair to say that in the event of a break in, an assault style weapon probably wouldn't be the first, or even best choice of defense in this case.
    If you told me a bomb carrying terrorist is running on the loose in my neighborhood, im probably gonna have my AR15 within reach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    I think it's also fair to say that in the event of a break in, an assault style weapon probably wouldn't be the first, or even best choice of defense in this case.
    Feinstein has shotguns that hold more than 5 shells listed as assault weapons. A shotgun is generally the best choice for home defense, per Biden. Are you suggesting that the less shells that you have, and the slower that they are to reload, the safe you are? If so, why does LEOs all pack rapid load weapons, and more than 5 shells?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    If you told me a bomb carrying terrorist is running on the loose in my neighborhood, im probably gonna have my AR15 within reach.
    Maybe. Everyone might not have it in reach, could be taken apart in a safe.

    But if your AR and a 45 caliber pistol is in front of you, what do you think would be more effective?

    Do you think I could just as effectively mitigate a situation like this with only the .45?

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    Theoretical scenario...........

    I look out my window to see a armed man who fits the description of a terrorist attempting to break into my shed.....

    i can either....

    A: Open my back door, potentially alarming the suspect who may fire on me, and then attempt to return fire with a pistol that is accurate at about 10 yards.

    B: crack open the kitchen window and put 2 shots in his kneecaps with surgical precision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    Theoretical scenario...........

    I look out my window to see a armed man who fits the description of a terrorist attempting to break into my shed.....

    i can either....

    A: Open my back door, potentially alarming the suspect who may fire on me, and then attempt to return fire with a pistol that is accurate at about 10 yards.

    B: crack open the kitchen window and put 2 shots in his kneecaps with surgical precision.
    Theoretical ending - you go to jail for shooting him outside your house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    Theoretical scenario...........

    I look out my window to see a armed man who fits the description of a terrorist attempting to break into my shed.....

    i can either....

    A: Open my back door, potentially alarming the suspect who may fire on me, and then attempt to return fire with a pistol that is accurate at about 10 yards.

    B: crack open the kitchen window and put 2 shots in his kneecaps with surgical precision.
    I could do B with a .22 and a decent scope.

    And, yes, assuming that breaking into your shed while you're in the house is a threat to your life I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    I could do B with a .22 and a decent scope.
    No you couldn't, your assuming the .22lr would penetrate heavy clothing. In may or may not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David88vert View Post
    Theoretical ending - you go to jail for shooting him outside your house.
    He pointed his gun at me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
    I could do B with a .22 and a decent scope.

    And, yes, assuming that breaking into your shed while you're in the house is a threat to your life I guess.
    He pointed a gun at me and screamed " death to america ", pretty sure the cops would believe my story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eraser4g63 View Post
    No you couldn't, your assuming the .22lr would penetrate heavy clothing. In may or may not.
    I'm gonna need some solid evidence that it won't. I've seen it penetrate Kevlar shot through a rifle barrel (dunno if you assumed this or not since I mentioned a scope, and Sinfix said out of a window), so I'm gonna guess that denim shouldn't be an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinfix_15 View Post
    He pointed a gun at me and screamed " death to america ", pretty sure the cops would believe my story.
    Path of the bullet shows it entered in the back of the knee

    That'd be jail time.

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    22lr has been know not to penetrate a leather jacket. Actually if you do an open records report in the city of Atlanta for a certain criminal case my real name shows up as the attending Paramedic. 19y/o male shot in the forehead with a 22lr pistol. No outward signs of trauma other than a bruise in the middle of his forehead. Perp was apprehended 30 mins later with the pistol. 22lr is notorious for being a non-penetrating round. For oy to say any different proves your ignorance of firearms and their components. Which makes your a prime candidate to legislate against them, Congrats!
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    Your guy was using the wrong .22LR rounds then.

    He probably had a cheap 40 gr round, only does around 1,000 ft/sec.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eraser4g63 View Post
    22lr has been know not to penetrate a leather jacket. Actually if you do an open records report in the city of Atlanta for a certain criminal case my real name shows up as the attending Paramedic. 19y/o male shot in the forehead with a 22lr pistol. No outward signs of trauma other than a bruise in the middle of his forehead. Perp was apprehended 30 mins later with the pistol. 22lr is notorious for being a non-penetrating round. For oy to say any different proves your ignorance of firearms and their components. Which makes your a prime candidate to legislate against them, Congrats!
    I said .22lr didn't I?

    Oh that's right. I didnt.

    I said a pistol too, right?

    ...no?

    Please. Continue to poke holes in my "leather jacket argument" with your ".22lr rebuttles." LOL

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    Well considering that there are only a couple different .22 caliber rounds and the most prevalent is .22lr I thought that would be the easiest to talk about. I used a pistol as a direct reference because that is what my case involved. So before you puff out your chest and walk around victorious I used the most common .22 caliber round and a case I had personal experience with. I was trying to avoid you calling something a "straw man" argument. However I guess arguments or examples that don't line up with your view is either straw man or not what you ment , huh imagine that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eraser4g63 View Post
    Well considering that there are only a couple different .22 caliber rounds and the most prevalent is .22lr I thought that would be the easiest to talk about. I used a pistol as a direct reference because that is what my case involved. So before you puff out your chest and walk around victorious I used the most common .22 caliber round and a case I had personal experience with. I was trying to avoid you calling something a "straw man" argument. However I guess arguments or examples that don't line up with your view is either straw man or not what you ment , huh imagine that.
    A 40 gr solid is reasonably common, so is a 30, 31, and 32 gr copper .22 LR. The lower grains have a LOT more velocity, up to about 1,700 ft/sec. That's a big difference, and you probably won't see many 40 gr .22 LR as most knowledgeable people will go for the higher velocity.
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    Don't get me wrong I own several .22 caliber firearms, and love them. I however have seen and had experience with them not penetrating and lacking knock down. I would hesitate to rely on one to protect my life or my family. And when they are shot from a pistol they are horrible about penetration. And by rounds I was ref 22lr, 22mag, 22sr.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eraser4g63 View Post
    Don't get me wrong I own several .22 caliber firearms, and love them. I however have seen and had experience with them not penetrating and lacking knock down. I would hesitate to rely on one to protect my life or my family. And when they are shot from a pistol they are horrible about penetration. And by rounds I was ref 22lr, 22mag, 22sr.
    .22 LR is available in the sizes that I mentioned. I was not referring to short or magnum rounds. It is quite possible that you got a low velocity 40 gr, or that you had a deflected round that had lost velocity.

    A .22 projectile is just the mass, in order to calculate the force, you have to have the velocity. There are a lot of factors that come into play, muzzle velocity is just one of them. If a hollow point 32 gr .22 LR is shot directly at a person's head, within 100 yards, it is almost a certainty that it will pierce it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eraser4g63 View Post
    Well considering that there are only a couple different .22 caliber rounds and the most prevalent is .22lr I thought that would be the easiest to talk about. I used a pistol as a direct reference because that is what my case involved. So before you puff out your chest and walk around victorious I used the most common .22 caliber round and a case I had personal experience with. I was trying to avoid you calling something a "straw man" argument. However I guess arguments or examples that don't line up with your view is either straw man or not what you ment , huh imagine that.
    Yes. My view is that there are different types of .22 rounds, and multiple weapons to fire them from. The discussion was about shooting an AR out of a window, I said it could be done with a .22, You interjected that it wasn't possible, and used different circumstances to support your claim. You tried to make me look like I didn't know what I was talking about by changing the variables, and you failed. Lol

    Imagine that shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vteckidd View Post
    The reason why it didnt pass was because DEMOCRATS didnt want it. Remember the DEMS OWN the Senate. THe measure was not about background checks SOLELY, it was about banning certain assualt weapons which is a non starter.

    Dems wanted GOP to filibuster and prevent a vote. That way they could attack them on it without consequence. Because the smarter Senate GOP allowed a vote, they forced Reid to put his caucus on the record. Because politicians are only out for themselves, 4 dems voted in favor of their own political survival. With the 4 dems breaking rank and voting down the bill, Reid will not allow this to come up again.

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