Hostage situation in the ATL as we speak
Welp. They killed him. Guess that's that.
White guy? They always kill the white guy.
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White people are usually the first to go nuts.
Glad to hear it ended the way it did. I was at Gwinnett Medical Center's ER when the five firefighters and the one officer was brought in.
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Originally Posted by Echonova
Glad the bastards dead.
Try not. Do or Do not.
Got what he deserved for sure. Was it a SWAT officer that killed him?
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If Obama had bailed out the home foreclosures instead of the big banks, this never would have happened. If we could save just one life, we have to try......
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Deserved to die. He fired shots at armed swat and shot an officer.
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Bloodthirsty we are. Sheesh
It was one of the officers that stormed the room. One officer was shot but he will be fine.
Something we have to remember. People like me and Eraser are very vulnerable when it comes to a situation like this. What was supposed to be a typical medical call turned into a hostage situation. The same thing happened not long ago but the two firefighters in that situation didnt make it home.
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you take hostages, you fire at a cop, yeah, you deserve to get killed. He shot an wounded an officer. What did you want to do? Tell the cop who got shot to ask him nicely to stop?
Word was he was pissed off that he was being forclosed on, and his phone and utilities were shut off. Maybe if Obama you know, stopped partying with Justin Timberlake and playing golf, and got people back to work, this never would have happened.
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So how many of the hostages, police officers did he kill?
How many of the sandy hook kids did the other 100 million gun owners in america shoot?
What the fuck does this even mean?
Apologies, I try to put myself in a state of mind that understands your affinity for defending criminals and demonizing the innocent. Sometimes your hypocrisy just baffles me and i'm at a loss for words.
This response is up there in the list of the dumbest things you've ever typed. That list is long and it grows larger by the minute.
He didn't kill anyone but as Mike mentioned, you put your self in this position, take hostages, and fire at cops......the rest falls into place.
The events that unfolded happened exactly the way it needed to.
Compliment well received. Since i was mocking the stupidity of your post.
In Blank's perfect world, this is how that scenario plays out.
Number 1, the guy wouldnt have a gun because guns wouldnt be available to the public. If he took hostages with a knife or some other object, the police would storm in and shoot him with beanbags or some other nonlethal weapon type. He would then spend the next year of his life visiting a therapist, in which case the state would probably declare him unfit to return to work, he would then be set up in a nice section8 home where he no longer had to be stressed out by the the obligation of bills or working, he would then live out the rest of his life peacefully while be cradled in the loving arms of father government. There's no such thing as punishment in this world, everything about life caters to the inadequacies of each individual. There's no fail or succeed, there's only do or let someone else do for you.
That's blank's world.
So he didnt kill anyone, but he deserved to die? I'm just trying to figure out how the bloodlust in this thread is not a knee-jerk reaction...
What is the max sentence for a few counts of false imprisonment and attempted murder? Do we really want police officers playing "judge, jury, executioner" in these cases, or any cases?
It's just strange how the pro gun advocates that make up this thread were all about looking at mental health as a problem, then when the opportunity arises where we have someone, alive, that's willing to go to such great lengths to end someone else's life, and we end that opportunity to learn from it by taking his life, extrajudiciously.
No one is any wiser.
You're quite the fucking idiot today. Lol. Like I said before, you have no critical thought process of your own, and rather than using your brain, you make hasty generalizations, of which none are true, because its easier than thinking, and to you, it's "common sense"
I wouldn't even post anymore if I were you. You've proven you're not intellectually capable of holding a conversation past a 5th grade level. I wouldn't want to subject myself to further humility.
I understand both points of view but if the criminal were shooting at you would you be against firing back and defending yourself and putting the threat down?
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I have a hard time believing a group of highly trained guerrila officers, full of marksmen with bulletproof suits and helmets had ZERO options other than to kill him. Surely he could have been disarmed or incapacitated.
He was putting lives at risk, if we can save one life, then we have to try
The only confusion i suffer from is trying to understand how you believe the things you believe.
Guy's life was in disarray, went postal and got killed. I don't know, I guess I don't feel the need to link this one to Obama or gun rights. You all have fun.
If democrats didnt expect law abiding citizens to defend their rights every time a criminal did something, these wouldnt be such hostile topics. If a guy picks up a gun tomorrow in Nebraska and shoots someone, i'm expected to feel guilty about it. Its our "leader" leading the way.....
every tragedy in america is included into the campaign trail.
That I have more regard for human life and the establishment of the justice system than your average CoD'er? Is it too terribly difficult to keep in mind that guy was someone's son? What about the fact that up until a police officer shot him, he was only guilty of false imprisonment, and attempted murder, neither of which carry a death sentence on their own.
The life of 4 fire fighters is more valuable than the life of someone willing to take firefighters hostage. While i would have liked to have seen the guy taken alive and put through the justice system, if i was a cop, getting the fire fighters out safely would have been my number one focus and i wouldnt have taken even a .000001% chance of risking their lives to save the life of the criminal.
There ya go.
If someone broke into your house and held you and/or your family hostage at gun point, would you want the suspect and the police to waltz out of the house holding hands singing and dancing or have it end the way it did?
I do believe that the intent was to take him alive but when you discharge a firearm at a police officer, you get what's coming to you.
Firefighters were ambushed in NY not long ago and two were killed. It's a blessing to public safety that none of the firefighters or officers were killed during this.
If someone in here says this incident is why we should not allow guns, I will argue along side you. but since no one has done that in this thread, I'm not gonna start an argument where there is none.
I would rather the suspect leave in handcuffs if I could help it.
Every criminal action assisted by a gun is being used to push the Democrat's anti-gun agenda.
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My blame it on Obama statement was said in jest, it was merely to show I too can be as asinine as some of the other posters in this thread
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Even if that is true, I see no reason to respond to it here since I don't think they are reading this thread. That's like going to an evangelical church and trying to convince them to give their lives to Christ. Preaching to the choir.
Vteck, I understood your original comment to be in jest.
ok, tell you what.
Go get your gun, walk down the street, take a hostage, then, when police officers CALMLY try to talk you out, start firing shots at them, and demand how they shold not be allowed to use deadly force. Let me know how that turns out.
For someone that claims to know the law, this is pretty bad of you to even try to argue, but I assume you are just trolling.
AHEM
Firing a weapon is deadly force, deadly force is allowed to be used by officers. Case closed.When police officers are arresting someone for a felony, the courts have given them a little more leeway. The police may use all the force that is necessary to overcome resistance, even if that means killing the person they are trying to arrest. However, if it is proved that an officer used more force than was necessary, the officer can be held criminally and civilly liable. In Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1, 105 S. Ct. 1694, 85 L. Ed. 2d 1 (1985), the Supreme Court ruled that it is a violation of the Fourth Amendment for police officers to use deadly force to stop fleeing felony suspects who are nonviolent and unarmed. The decision, with an opinion written by Justice byron r. white, said, in part, "We conclude that such force may not be used unless it is necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."
EDIT: also, only 1 shot was fired by the officer, WHO WAS SHOT IN THE FUCKING ARM while entering the room. Dude ENTERED THE ROOM, WAS SHOT, AND THEN RETURNED 1 SHOT AND KILLED THE SUSPECT.
NO OTHER OFFICERS FIRED ANY BULLETS.
DESERVED TO DIE
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Better man than I am.
However, setting aside the criminal false imprisonment and any other charges that could have been applied, look at the actions that took place at the very end. Officers are advised per oath to use only the necessary amount of force to overcome the situation and take control. Given that the suspect had a loaded weapon and therefore discharged it, OCGA 17-4-20(b) Use of Deadly Force now comes into play. Whether the firearm discharged upon shock of the officer's intrusion into the room or a direct act towards the officers took place, the use of deadly force is applicable and was used. I am almost sure that the officers had every intention to take him alive hence why flash bangs were used. At the end of the day, nobody on this forum was there at the scene and speaking from personal experience being in that ER when the four firefighters and the one officer were brought in, it's nice to know I don't have to plan for another In The Line of Duty Ride for a public service member who was killed.
I would too, until he decided to shoot an officer. At that point , all bets are off.
Did anyone here say "man im so glad that mofo got killed, i wish we could kill mor ecriminals!"
FUCK NO
I said, he DESERVED TO DIE. When you take a gun and shoot at a COP, hes TRYING TO KILL A COP. Hes lucky he didnt. That cop has to act as he is trained and defend himself. This wasnt a Cop just popping off for fun. HE WAS SHOT IN THE ARM and had to have surgery.
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