Are we blind, or playing stupid?

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Sinfix: I meant a literal beer lol.

Blank: and what is this historical specific occurrence that causes me to believe in Christ and not some other god?

I figured you could enlighten us, or do you not know?

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I have a question for you guys. You don't believe in the ultimate good, what about evil, ghosts, demons, aliens?

I believe there's good, just as I believe there's evil. Ghosts and demons, no. Other sentient life in the universe? Sure, why not

[geoff]

You made the statement of some historical event that makes me preach Christ...so why don't you enlighten me. So other life out there can exist without us having any proof but eyewitness accounts and unexplainable phenomenon, but I present you with eyewitness accounts, personal experience, historical documentation and there is no possible way God exists. There is no shadow of a doubt that God is a figment of billions of people's imaginations...that about right?

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You made the statement of some historical event that makes me preach Christ...so why don't you enlighten me.

Why not. In the early first century, in the Roman empire, Mithraism was on the rise, so much so that it became a rival religion of Christianity, and was at a point the more popular than it. No one is exactly clear on when the turning point was, but in the 3rd century, Christians began to outnumber Mithrans and eventually exterminate the religion. Then Theodosius came to power and made Christianity the state religion. So that ended Mithraism's chapter.

So other life out there can exist without us having any proof but eyewitness accounts and unexplainable phenomenon, but I present you with eyewitness accounts, personal experience, historical documentation and there is no possible way God exists. There is no shadow of a doubt that God is a figment of billions of people's imaginations...that about right?

You've presented me with shaky eyewitness accounts--from the bible, historical documentation--from the bible, and personal experience based on what you read and interpreted--in the bible. You've pointed to ONE textbook with unreliable sources, and ZERO physical evidence as your damning proof of your god. And less than a third of the people in the world believe it, and that number shrinks every day. So sorry if I'm skeptical.

We know what it takes to make life. We can dissect the Lego pieces, we know where these pieces come from, and we're finding some of the exact same Legos in other parts of space, and we know the events it takes to make all these pieces happens all the time. So the physical evidence for extra terrestrial life is pretty outstanding.

"A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is still the truth even if no one believes it"

[geoff]

Citation please for where Mithraism was larger than Christianity. Maybe in Rome, while Christianity was branching out from Jeruselem. The Apostle Paul is the one who brought the message to the Romans. The Mysteries of Mithra were a secular underground cult, but in all reality, a branch of paganism. I haven't provided you anything shaky. I rebuked your attempt to use scripture. I can provide you with all I know on the subject, but are you willing to listen. And what physical evidence?

[E36slide]

The bible is bs..... that's all.


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[geoff]

^ah yes, this must be true. So much intelligence in this comment... I see the light now. Come on man. I have not seen one intelligent display of insight or rebutal. Atleast Sinfix has been logical and stated why he believes what he does. An opposition like that I can respect, and QD as well.

[bu villain]

I have a question for you guys. You don't believe in the ultimate good, what about evil, ghosts, demons, aliens?

I believe in good and evil as descriptions for things that are in line with and out of line, respectively, with my morality.
Even though I can't say 100% they don't exist, I don't believe in ghosts or demons because up to now, the evidence is unconvincing.
Even though I can't say 100% they exist, I believe alien life exists because the conditions and elements that allow life on earth seem to be common enough from what we know of the universe.
Even though I can't say 100% God doesn't exist, I am an atheist because I have not seen evidence to convince me that he does.

The main point is that all belief is really on a continuum. I call one side "Don't believe" and the other side "Believe". The middle is I don't know. There isn't a clear line between them and where I stand is continually changing based on new experiences and evidence.

[E36slide]

There are human remains that out date the bible. Its a way to make money. A lot of ppl don't even know about the bible or god. So who's to say they will go to this so called "hell". It sounds far fetch. I think when you die your brain release chemicals that cause you to go into a dream like state. There's no way someone would forgive another person for their sins. If jesus forgives all then that means the old ass dudes who rape little kids are forgiven.....

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[geoff]

Buvillian: I repsect your views. In all, it's how one perceives the evidences. We are two different sides of the same coin. I respect the fact that you don't mock those with belief or try to make them seem irrational or plain stupid. I for one have researched the opposing side to my beliefs, and I still stick with my faith.

E36slide: first I would say that the current carbon dating method is not accepted by all. The calculation itself is reliant on assumption and guess work. Not to mention that there are also differing opinions on the Biblical timeline as well.

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E36slide: first I would say that the current carbon dating method is not accepted by all. The calculation itself is reliant on assumption and guess work.

Huh? Sounds like this comes from your lack of knowledge about carbon dating. It is the accepted method through all scientific bodies involved with the process, so I don't know where you picked that up from, other than one of those anti-science Christian blogs

But I bet carbon dating was spot on when they dated the dead sea scrolls, wasnt it? Lol

[bu villain]

Buvillian: I repsect your views. In all, it's how one perceives the evidences. We are two different sides of the same coin. I respect the fact that you don't mock those with belief or try to make them seem irrational or plain stupid. I for one have researched the opposing side to my beliefs, and I still stick with my faith.

It definitely is how one perceives the evidence. I don't believe faith in Christianity has anything to do with intelligence. I do believe it is illogical to believe in God but none of us are completely logical, nor do I think that's necessarily a bad thing. I think people should embrace their emotional/illogical side and quit trying to argue faith from a logical perspective. That's as backwards as saying the purpose of math is to inspire the soul.

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That's as backwards as saying the purpose of math is to inspire the soul.

I don't care what you say. Math inspires my soul! Lol

[S4saken]

S4saken: no one forced anything on you. You came in here and posted. I never pushed my beliefs on anyone in here or condemn anyone to hell. I posted up about myself, that I am in no shape to judge anyone. I firmly believe that those who point fingers should be careful, they have three pointing back at them. Even my Bible says the same thing. My problem with some on here try to use scripture and my own beliefs to make a point against me. I don't go to an engineer and tell him how to build a bridge because I don't know what I'm talking about. You paint an accurate picture of a lot of Christians, but not all. A true Christian does not force beliefs on anyone. They are to share their personal testimony, give the message of salvation, and the let God do the rest. They do so out of love. To us, we see a world commuting suicide and care enough to try and stop them. Like I said to Sinfix, Christianity has wandered off the path. We need to get back to simple fundementals. Your wife still talks to you about it because she loves you, but leaves it to you to make the choice, as every man does. Sounds like God blessed you with a good woman

My post was not directed towards you Geoff you seem like a very educated person and make some very good points for your side of the debate. I lost faith when my life was at an all time low, I know you said earlier that everyone's faith is tested but I couldn't stick with it. I preyed until my knees were sore and begged for a response and got nothing in return. That's when I started feeling that I myself am in charge of my destiny. I admit sometime when I have strings of bad luck I ask myself, is this punishment for not believing? Then I tell myself no this just means I have to work harder.

I respect everyone's religion and I expect the same in return. I expect people to respect that I don't believe in God or the bible but unfortunately it not always like that. I get awkward looks and even had a girl in Wendy's laugh and shack her head when my friend told her I was Athiest. A lot of people think if your Athiest you must be evil or something. I choose to keep the fact that I'm Athiest to myself most of the time.

[bu villain]

I don't care what you say. Math inspires my soul! Lol

You may be joking but as an engineer, I actually have been inspired by math. My point was that math's ability to inspire (or not) is not what's most important about it. Similarly with religion, parts of it may be logical or illogical but that is not what makes it significant. That's why I think religious proponents who argue the logic of it are playing the wrong game.

[geoff]

S4saken: sometimes God provides, sometimes He opens doors for us to go through, and sometimes He leaves it to men to gather the stregnth to pull through, and sometimes we are to wait. God does not always give us the answer we seek. I can tell you as I told Sinfix, He is never far from you. He is right where you left Him...on your knees.

[sun2ner]

hey if its optional its optoinal. if you change your mind later you might find it in the parts section on here under the homosapine section lol